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If it was going to be used, then look at low rank teams in the first pool matches. There certainly won't be any working pro's using it in the final.

If it kicks ass there will be.

Except compared to the 1Dx, it won't kick ass.

How do you know? For this application it might well.

But why? Pro sports photographers aren't focal length limited generally so what do they have to gain by using a crop body? The only advantage I could think of would be a potentially higher frame rate as the mirror and shutter is much smaller but even then 12fps is crazy quick, even 10 is a lot

Ummmm....because a more modern camera may have improved ability set and track focus than a 4 year old camera?

You are forgetting the 1D cameras were not designed yesterday, they are old cameras with even older technology. Stuff improves.

Yeah, an APS-C camera that sucks at low light.  What a great camera for pro sports.
The world cup is brightly lit.....

So we make a camera that's really great at shooting the World Cup?  You missed the point.  Pros shoot both indoor and outdoor sports and no one's going with an APS-C sensor considering no pro in the world is focal length limited.  At least, none that I know.

My point isn't that the 7D2 isn't great at action, but it's not going to be good at low-light action and so it's probably not surprising at all that no one saw any pros at the World Cup using one.  I'm not surprised, that's all.
How do you know the 7D2 isn't great at action? Nobody has seen it yet....

There are a lot of sports where you can't get close to the action and you are focal length limited....

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If it was going to be used, then look at low rank teams in the first pool matches. There certainly won't be any working pro's using it in the final.

If it kicks ass there will be.

Except compared to the 1Dx, it won't kick ass.

How do you know? For this application it might well.

But why? Pro sports photographers aren't focal length limited generally so what do they have to gain by using a crop body? The only advantage I could think of would be a potentially higher frame rate as the mirror and shutter is much smaller but even then 12fps is crazy quick, even 10 is a lot

Ummmm....because a more modern camera may have improved ability set and track focus than a 4 year old camera?

You are forgetting the 1D cameras were not designed yesterday, they are old cameras with even older technology. Stuff improves.

Yeah, an APS-C camera that sucks at low light.  What a great camera for pro sports.
The world cup is brightly lit.....

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If it was going to be used, then look at low rank teams in the first pool matches. There certainly won't be any working pro's using it in the final.

If it kicks ass there will be.

Except compared to the 1Dx, it won't kick ass.

How do you know? For this application it might well.

But why? Pro sports photographers aren't focal length limited generally so what do they have to gain by using a crop body? The only advantage I could think of would be a potentially higher frame rate as the mirror and shutter is much smaller but even then 12fps is crazy quick, even 10 is a lot

Ummmm....because a more modern camera may have improved ability set and track focus than a 4 year old camera?

You are forgetting the 1D cameras were not designed yesterday, they are old cameras with even older technology. Stuff improves.
One of the possible new features would be tracking of a face or object... having a camera that could track focus on a soccer ball in play would be a fantastic feature to have

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 11:31:30 AM »
I'm just not buying that Canon is going to reveal its latest sensor technology on a crop camera.

Like Digic 6? Like DPAF? Like WiFi and touchscreens?

Most new technology is introduced on the crop cameras and the p/s cameras because those are the units that are updated more often and that's where the big sales numbers are. If they waited until the next 1D? update cycle to introduce features and then let them trickle down they would be out of business

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:48:46 AM »
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Canon holding back 7Dmk2 for a reason. I suspect 100-400 mk2 announcement, or some other coinciding situation.

Silly statement.

Canon could have released a 100-400 II at any time over the past five years or so. Lens technology doesn't change that much and this lens design has probably been sitting around for quite some time, just waiting for the right time to put it into production. There is no reason Canon would need to "hold back" any camera body for a lens.

And, what exactly does "holding back" mean? The implication is that the 7DII has been completed and ready to go for quite some time and Canon has allowed it to sit idle. Hardly a likely strategy for camera technology, which has a relatively short shelf life. Certainly all companies time their releases to obtain the maximum benefit, but that is a matter of weeks or months. To call it "holding back" reflects a gross misunderstanding of everything involved in a successful product launch.
"holding back" could mean that production has started and they are waiting until they have sufficient stock produced and in place around the world for the release. Don't forget that it also takes time to get electronics certified in various countries and they cant ship until they can put that CSA, UL, or whatever certification on the units.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:32:12 AM »

I spoke to someone who said that their brother's mother's cousin's ex-boyfriend's lover said that it would come in pink.

Pink?  What's the point of that?  At least white would lean towards arctic camouflage  ;)
If it is pink, then people are less likely to steal it......

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Why are people so ready to believe in conspiracies?

Look at the facts. The software only supports SOME FF cameras. It does not support Rebels, the 60D, or the 70D, or the 7D, or the 5DII.... those cameras representing the vast majority of Canon cameras sold. The software is ONLY downloadable from Hong Kong..... not U.S... not Europe.... Not Canada.. not Australia... only Hong Kong.

Canon is not going to make their software only usable on one percent of their cameras. What you are looking at is an early version of the software. When the real version is ready it will support everything and it will be available everywhere.

The fact is that Canon Japan (as in, Corporate HQ) issued a press release stating, "Compatible models ※ · · · EOS-1D C, EOS-1D X, EOS 5D Mark III, EOS 6D."
and it's most likely an early release....
Those with the most expensive cameras get to use it first.... the rest of the user base to follow later. My bet is that when the 7D2 is announced, they will release version 4.1 (or whatever) that supports the rest of the bodies.

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Why are people so ready to believe in conspiracies?

Look at the facts. The software only supports SOME FF cameras. It does not support Rebels, the 60D, or the 70D, or the 7D, or the 5DII.... those cameras representing the vast majority of Canon cameras sold. The software is ONLY downloadable from Hong Kong..... not U.S... not Europe.... Not Canada.. not Australia... only Hong Kong.

Canon is not going to make their software only usable on one percent of their cameras. What you are looking at is an early version of the software. When the real version is ready it will support everything and it will be available everywhere.

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I shoot at quite a lot of major international sporting events, though I am not in Brazil for the world cup, and if Canon did offer me the use of a 7D Mark II at such an event I would probably say no, as I would need my 1D X. In fact two 1D Xs will always be preferable to any 7D Mark II (whatever it may be) combination for the sports I shoot.

This is not the same as when they test a lens. If they offer me whatever lens(es) I want  - test or not - then I will (and do) gladly accept.

Having said, that I would gladly test a 7D Mark II (if such a thing exists) at events or games where I am not working (hence not important to me), such as at a local footie match on a Sunday. But definitely not something important like a major int. sporting event.

Well said.  I don't shoot international sporting events as the highest I do are NCAA D1 tournaments/finals/championships.  Having said that, I still wouldn't take a 7D2 there as I would, like you, always take my 1Dx's.

If its being used there, its probably by Canon employees, a pro shooting the event for his living is not going to use a prototype or pre-production 7D MK II.
 
That's the problem with rumors, many of them do not make a whole lot of sense.
Or if a pro is shooting the event for Canon, he is under contract to Canon.....

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Landscape / Re: Waterscapes
« on: June 16, 2014, 06:03:40 PM »
Last week in Labrador, Canada

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Sorry, but when you start creating GIGS of data PER SECOND, even your RAID arrays are not going to suffice. I have I have an 8TB NAS on my own network, however with my shooting patterns, at 30fps, I would create 8TB worth of images in a mere 5643 seconds, which amounts to 94 minutes of shooting. Eight TERRABYTES of data in a mere hour and a half. That is just ludicrous. The cost of storage hasn't come down even remotely fast nor significantly enough to justify cameras with frame rates of 30fps or higher. These days, at 8fps/18mp or 6fps/22.3mp, I can fill four 16GB CF cards in a couple/few of hours on a burst-heavy day (i.e. lots of flight or other action.) That's 64Gb in an outing. That's already a lot of data, and even after culling the guaranteed bad frames (missfocuses, motion blurred, clipped highlights, etc.), that alone is still a fairly significant storage footprint.

Plus, this is all JUST the storage impact. I don't think people realize the overall impact of having ultra high frame rates like that. There is "cost" everywhere...it requires significantly more time to import all your data (even over USB 3.0), it takes significantly more time to organize it, it takes significantly more time to cull it, etc. There is a reasonable point where diminishing returns in frame rate become negative returns in your overall efficiency as a photographer. I believe 30fps is well over that point, and anything faster....well, then your just plain insane! :P
Lots of agreement from me on how fast you can fill hard drives.... I just burned through 270GB in a week. I was playing with time lapse on a GoPro and a 64GB card was insufficient for a day, and that was at the reduced image size...

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: June 16, 2014, 08:32:00 AM »
Swallow tail bee-eater lands on his favorite perch with yet another meal in the early morning. Taken along the Auob river, Kgalagadi transfrontier park, South Africa. Highly recommended for raptors etc etc etc. We have spent a month each year there for 10 years now.www.africaraw.com
nice shot! great timing!

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it's most likely for small camera systems to produce good low light results using cheap, simple, fast lenses.  First use will probably be phone- cameras.  Getting the required amount of curvature in larger sensor systems is likely to be much more challenging as slight (focus) errors of a few microns could occur with temperature shifts and if you're looking to make a compact, large sensor camera with this then you're really gonna have to decrease the radius of that sensor's curvature.  So, more likely practical for 1/2.5 and smaller sensors.
Still, will be very interesting if they can effectively achieve this for larger sensor formats.
This is what I was thinking....

Also, a curved sensor would work better with wide angle lenses, sort of like why a flat sensor works best with long lenses.... and since phones and p/s cameras tend towards the wide end of the spectrum, this could make the lens designs simpler.

And yes, there will be distortion, but look at the distortion you already have in those lenses... take an ipad or iphone and move it around and see how the image redraws as you move it... my bet is that the curved sensor will result in less distortion than the current sensor/lens combinations have now.

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Late June.... To coincide with anything? hope so!
possibly to make it compatible with new features on a 7D2....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Ye Olde Film Photography
« on: June 15, 2014, 11:02:29 PM »
It's not just a philosophical question. We all like the facilities and make less effort. Today a bodybuilder have special food, supplements, exercise equipment, as well as anabolic steroids to achieve "fast and guaranteed" results. That's the danger of the digital ... The fast and guaranteed result can accommodate us because we have super sophisticated equipment to "fix" our failures.

Digital allows a huge amount of good pictures, and it is wonderful. But if we think proportionally, digital photography results in less than 1% of spectacular photos.

If Jimmi Hendrix learned to play guitar today, he'd be a genius with all the facilities of digital audio processors? We will never know the answer.


As "roadie" for my friend's musical group, I can say that it is a lot easier to carry an electronic piano than a grand piano :)

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