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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors

« on: March 20, 2013, 06:32:18 PM »

Im betting new technology across the board for APS-C.... Better ISO performance and better live-view / movie focus for all APS-C.

Space is not infinite in factories, there is only space for so many fabrication lines.... If they have a new/smaller fabrication process it took a lot of time and money to set it up, and they had to keep the old APS-C fabrication line up while the new one was installed, tested, debugged, and the resulting products tested. If they have the new one up and running, my bet is that they are ripping out the old one, changing it/converting it to do the same thing for the FF fabrication, and that means no more old APS-C chips for existing cameras.... and they will soon be replaced/discontinued.

And why APS-C first and not FF? Because smaller chips are easier to make, and there is a lot more money to be made from APS-C than FF.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors

« on: March 20, 2013, 06:01:03 PM »

We’re told today that the 70D has been pushed into April, we had hoped that an announcement would be coming next week.

April! But I'm impatient NOW!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 03:37:03 PM »

YET ANOTHER 18MP APS-C from CANON!

They should earn an award for the most milked sensor in the history of photography! ah, what's an old sensor among friends right?

Nah I think the most milked sensor in the history of photography is FP4 

I would have said Kodachrome 64.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 03:35:09 PM »

As for APS-C, Canon's flagship camera still uses a sensor that is better and newer than Nikon's flagship APS-C, so how is that falling behind? Nikon has put some interesting higher resolution sensors in their consumer models and maybe Canon is dragging their feet a bit in releasing their own versions, but it's hardly the end of the world. The higher megapixels do nothing for me and frankly the high ISO performance of the sensors Nikon is using is unimpressive, especially when you consider they are competing against Canon's nearly four-year-old sensor.

It is interesting...
After 4 years the Canon APS-C sensor is arguably ahead of Nikon, and the panasonic/olympus sensor is marginably better.... It's been 4 years at the top of the hill.... 4 years with better lenses and user interface and now they are starting to catch up on just the sensor component.... and this is coming at the time Canon is talking about 5D2-like performance out of the next release of camera... Oh my it hurts to shoot Canon... Oh the shame of it!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 01:35:05 PM »

There isn't much of a difference in the T5i specs than the T4i (and even the "EOS-b"). I'm assuming Canon will have to change the name of the "Rebel" series for the new generation of consumer DSLRs.

I think we have to ask why? Why would Canon introduce a model where the specs seem to be almost the same as the preceeding model.... with the possibility of PERHAPS one stop of ISO ( all depends if they meant normal or expanded range). And why NOT a digic6 when its coming out in a powershot?

One possible explanation is that the old APS-C sensor fabrication line is being shut down, replaced with a new technology line.... and that means no more of the old sensors, replaced with a new one of the same size... a new sensor with the same footprint on the circuit board as the old one so design changes and re-tooling is minimal.... and once the changeover is complete, watch the same thing happen to the ff fabrication process.

This is a far more likely explanation than to just make another identical model for the sake of making a new model.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 12:17:31 PM »

The 5D3 and 6D sensors have lower pixel count and poorer low ISO dynamic range compared to that on D800 and D600 respectively. So, there is no technical advantage whatsoever in Canon cameras

How is that people continually fail to understand that a "camera" is not a metal/plastic box with a sensor inside, any more than a car is a metal/plastic box with an engine inside?  I was car shopping recently, pretty much every vehicle I was looking at, different body styles from 5 different manufacturers, all had a 3.5L 6-cyl engine.  Does that mean there's no real difference between them?

Yes, the sensor is important.  No, Canon doesn't make the best sensors from an IQ standpoint.  But until consumers start buying bare silicon sensors to take pictures, what matters is camera performance, not only sensor performance.

so if canon tomorrow released the 5Dmk4, which was 2MP, had 1 stop of dynamic range shot in black and white and maxed out at ISO 100, but was twice as good in every other way as the current camera, you'd buy it?

NONSENSE.

It is an imaging device at the end of the day, and it needs to perform as an imaging device. sure it is not the only metric, but the end result is what you get, what you charge for, and what speaks of your work. You'll never look at a picture and admire it based on camera ergonomics, or wifi support, or how many cross points it has. Pixels do the talking for you at the end of the day, and yes you can still shoot horrible shots with great quality, yet the fact remains image quality remains king. You simply can't explain the amount of effort companies put into improving it otherwise or the fact the consumer pays attention to it anyways. And that is what matters. Canon needs to sell what consumers want, and if they review quality, companies need to deliver. The fact canon lags, doesn't make it less important.

come on now.... that's like offering up a lamborghini with a rubber band motor.. I'ts balanced performance that makes a fine car and it's balanced performance that makes a fine camera.... It's lens... and sensor... and processing power and algorithms... and user interface... and ergonomics... and a host of other things too numerous to mention.

I can take a 1DX, put an old crappy lens on it, and ruin the balance of the system. Image quality will be crap. I can turn off autofocus and shoot blurry pictures.... image quality will be crap. I can turn off IS on a handheld long lens at slow shutter speeds.... image quality will be crap.

You need a good working SYSTEM to take a decent picture.... the sensor is only one part of that system so why is everyone so fixated on it?

The Olympus OMD-EM5 has a better sensor than my 60D. I even have a bin of Oly lenses. The Canon 60D has a better user interface, it feels better in the hand, and it has a better selection of glass. Guess which one I use? Hint: system beats sensor...

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EOS Bodies / Re: so the EOS-Bull and T5i are announced this week... no 70D as it seems

« on: March 20, 2013, 11:57:20 AM »

If Canon doesn't release a 70D or 7D2 that are really outstanding with close (but not as good) ISO performance as the 6D, 5D3 & 1DX and updated sensors i'll just have to invest into a 17-40L and 6D or move to the dark side.

You're really expecting the 70D, or even 7D2 for that matter, to have close to the same ISO performance as the latest model FF cameras?

He may be closer to the mark than you think...
Perhaps not the 70D...but I fully expect future 7D2 to rival high ISO of not just 5D3, may be even the 1DX... it will jive well with the intended use of a cropped high speed camera. The price will probably reflect that.

So you think that Canon just released 3 new FF cameras using older sensor technology, saving the latest and greatest for a crop sensor to release a year later?  Presuming it has the latest in AF to match its predecessor, don't you think that would steer a lot of the potential market away from the more expensive FF lines?

Someone has to be first.... when the new technology is ready the will start to use it in ALL new releases. And besides, follow the money.... the lower down you go in the camera line, the greater the sales. Canon makes much more money off of the Rebels than the pro cameras... from a financial perspective it may be more important to upgrade them first.... Also, for fabrication reasons, I can see the smaller sensors being manufactured first.

And with the pressures facing p/s cameras from the cell phone crowd, I can see the EOS-B being FAR more important to Canon than any of the pro or enthusiast models.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Crazy... go Nikon?

« on: March 20, 2013, 11:31:48 AM »

I'm waiting for a Sigma or Tamron to come up with a lens that is bought in two parts: (1) is the glass assembly, outer casing, zoom/focus, etc and (2) is the interface between the lens and the camera.

Then I will be able to buy a bunch of Sigma/Tamron lenses and depending on which manufacturer's camera I have or want to use, I attach the relevant electronics and mounting plate.

So maybe a $1000 Sigma lens becomes $950 plus a $50 thing to attach it to Canon/Nikon. Then there is no need to change lenses

The Tamron Adaptall mount was fantastic.... I still have my 90mm macro that I bought for my Olympus OM-1... change the adaptor from OM to EOS and now it works with my Canon. I would love to see that again.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 20, 2013, 11:25:28 AM »

The other relevant point is that the people who post on a forum like this are an infinitesimal fraction of the dSLR market.

Agreed!

In my canoe club, if you look at what people use you will see less than 1 percent with a low end DSLR, about 50 percent with point-shoots, and the rest with no camera or a cell phone. I have yet to see another paddler with the tell-tale white lens....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens

« on: March 20, 2013, 09:13:17 AM »

Maybe Canon has a point, they know their fanboz love whatever they come out as long as it can mount ef lens

Hey, thanks. I just knew there was a reason Canon sells more dSLRs than anyone else, and you've just explained it - they count on their fanboy user base (all 200-300 of them here on CR) to maintain their decisive lead in the market.

And of course if you're a Canon fanboy then it is inconceivable for you to not be posting on CR.

Where else are people complaining about the letter "b" in the simple and benign name "EOS-b"? We only get that kind of crazy here on CR.

I think it is because the plan for the EOS-A didn't pan out.... It was to be a special Canadian version (EOS-A, pronounced as EOS-eh?) with improved cold weather performance, but after the design team froze to death, the project was scrapped.

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EOS Bodies / Re: so the EOS-Bull and T5i are announced this week... no 70D as it seems

« on: March 19, 2013, 10:29:42 PM »

every time someone mentions the D800 is the better landscape camera some people here behave like kids.

No it's not. My dad's camera can beat up your dad's camera anyway. 

Seriously, though...anyone with some common sense should acknowledge that, at least from the standpoint of sensor-based IQ.  But it's a tool, that's all.  If I need to drive in a nail, the best screwdriver in the world isn't going to help me much.

Yeah.... well my Dad's camera is a very old and solid film (gasp!) NIKON (GASP!!!!!)

..... and my sweatheart's camera ( well one of the cameras...) is an 8X10.... but then, what did Ansel Adams know about landscape photography anyway?

....and a #2 robertson screwdriver (square head) makes a great nail countersink....

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EOS Bodies / Re: so the EOS-Bull and T5i are announced this week... no 70D as it seems

« on: March 19, 2013, 10:20:07 PM »

Let's be fair... Canon released three major full frame upgrades in the past 12 month cycle...3 actually before the end of the year 2012...1DX, 5D3, and 6D....

So now they are releasing a few for the average consumer aka non-fanboys... come on now boys...seriously... How many bodies more can Canon release in quick succession? If you were them, wouldn't you want to pace yourself?

How can they possibly keep on releasing major updated bodies and lenses every two weeks because forum members expect something new to chew on and dissect? hmm?

Exactly!
2012 was the year of FF, it looks like 2013 will be the year af APS-C, so count on new FF in 2014.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS-b Images Leak & a New Kit Lens

« on: March 19, 2013, 10:11:22 PM »

I'd laugh SO hard if it was an 18mpx sensor that kicked ass, because they updated it but not the pixel count

Likewise.... ISO has bumped up and it probably has on-sensor AF to help in live-view and movie modes.

again.. the old 650D sensor had this already. 
so they better have improved that to be at least usefull, to make a difference.

One is ISO 100-25600 (EOS-B), the other is 100-12800, expandable to 25600. Of course it is a rumour and the EOS-B number could really be 1 of 3 things.... 100-12800 with 25600 expanded, 100-25600 with no expansion, or possibly 100-25600 with expansion beyond that. Since Canon tends to market with the unexpanded range, that would imply one of the two last choices, an improvement over the 650.

It is very possible that canon is switching over to a new manufacturing process for it's sensors and 18Mpixel just happens to be the small ones.... with the rumoured 24M for the 7D and possibly somewhere in the middle for the 70D.

Also has anyone else noticed this?
7D2
70D
700D, or T5i

Have the stars alligned and are we to blessed

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 19, 2013, 05:56:23 PM »

Excuse me, where did you read of the eos-b having a digic6? Or any other camera, for that matter?

My mistake, meant to say Powershot 280
http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/03/canon-powershot-sx280/
I edited original post to correct error.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks

« on: March 19, 2013, 05:47:34 PM »

Digic 6 processor, when such a processor exists, will only appear in a "professional" model with a "professional" price tag...

http://www.canonrumors.com/2013/03/canon-powershot-sx280/

WOW! A professional powershot!