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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 04, 2014, 06:52:27 AM »
Why do so many people including reviewers seem to pretend the 70D doesn't exist or is really really new by always comparing it against the 7D just to make it look that much newer and better?

(for the record I really like my 70D - it's just this almost goggles view to compare it with the 5yr old model instead and then say it's new ...)

Because it's even stupider when you say that the 7D2 is 2 percent better and try to justify that 2% as a ground breaking innovative game changing paradigm shift that completely changes photography as we know it.

I have shot for many years with a 60D... identical IQ to the 7D... A friend got the 70D and you could barely tell any difference. I have a 7D2 and it is hard to see any difference over the 60D until you go to high ISO. The AF system is an order of magnitude better, but you have to pixel peek and still won't see any significant difference in IQ for normal use.

As digital cameras mature, you will see less and less difference in IQ between revisions... everyone is approaching a wall.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Petapixel: Canon Full Frame Mirrorless
« on: December 03, 2014, 04:50:37 PM »
Canon is losing quite a few landscape photographers these days, because there is stiff competition to fill all the broad and niche landscape needs. I still use Canon for landscapes because I like their system and I have no complaints with my process. I can still see vast majorities of people wanting to get into landscapes who are not even considering Canon because of lower MP and less DR. I personally stitch and bracket all of my shots (never missed a shot), so I have not much to gain by leaving Canon, but others certainly see the need.

Respectfully disagree, Johan.  Canon isn't really losing folks to mirrorless nearly as much as they are losing folks to Sony sensors -- people are 'switching to mirrorless' just to get their hands on what they think will get them better IQ.

Consider:  one of the Sony a7 bodies with an adaptor is probably the cheapest way to get a "better" sensor for FF work without having to flip all your glass.  Landscapers are the ones willing to give this a try first, as they need AF far less than most photographers and LV can get them by.

But we continue to hear of everyone leaving Canon for a host of reasons, principally due to the sensors, and secondarily due to their avoiding any significant commitment to mirrorless.

Canon will eventually commit large dollars to mirrorless and make a proper go of it -- with APS-C, not FF.  (I don't see a 4th mount happening.  But they'll pony up an EVF, offer DPAF, and (please) offer a greater variety of small, native EF-M lenses and people will buy it.

The big wild card is when.  I've heard a thousand forum-dwelling photography enthusiasts that claim that Canon is falling so far behind and that everyone is leaving them, but I haven't seen a speck of sales data that shows that Sony / Fuji / etc. are converting large numbers of DSLR users from them.  If that starts to happen, Canon will deploy more competitive products in that segment.

- A
But it's true.....

Everyone has left canon..... Yet somehow they are still number one in sales.....

Nobody likes the 7d2, yet it is a hot seller.....
Perhaps Internet wisdom is flawed.....

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 03, 2014, 02:23:49 PM »
as far as DP-AF is concerned ... so far Canon has not been able to turn that feature into any really tangible benefiot for users. To the best of ma knowledge, both 70 as well as 7D II  are still rather on the slow end of the bunch when it comes to autofocussing in Live View. Nowhere near where a Sony A6000 or Fuji XT-1 are.

I am asking myself, whether there is real value in DP-AF technology and Canon just not able and/or willing to unleash t, or whether its basically a "dud innovation".

+1000

Do you guys (or anyone else) really use live view that often?  Do you ever shoot outside, when it's bright out?  And don't even get me started if you like polarized sunglasses.  8)

I use live view for manual lenses, where most of my money is.
DPAF does not work with manual lenses or telescopes.
DPAF does not work with non-Canon lenses, and not even all Canon lenses.
DPAF does not assist AFMA.
Therefore DPAF is useless to me.
DPAF works with all my Canon lenses.
DPAF works with the Tamron 150-600, Sigma 30F1.4, and Sigma 10-22 (all my non-Canon lenses)

If you shoot movies with your 7D2, you will notice that the AF really does track moving objects, unlike previous cameras like the 60D

For me, it is useful.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: T3i to 7dii or new lens
« on: December 03, 2014, 02:15:12 PM »
Ditto what AcutancePhotography said.  Unless you need the 7DMkII's superior autofocus tracking abilities and better high ISO performance, I would go with the better glass.

It also depends on the frequency of your need.  If you need better low light performance and only need the real long lens a few times, then buy the new body and rent the lens when you need to.
+1

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 03, 2014, 09:54:20 AM »
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Any Sony MILC user is welcome to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with me and try to compete when I shoot BIFs or MotoGP motorbikes with my 7D Mk II: I'll tear you apart.
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and the torture test is to track a chickadee in flight through the branches of a tree....

provided, you put the 7D II into live view mode ... I would be game to try it  ... using a Samsung NX-1 or a Sony A6000.   ;D 8)
So you think a test of the 7D2 AF system with the 7D2 AF system disabled is a fair test?

One compares the two cameras the way they were intended to be used, not crippled to match another unit.....

That's a lot like me having a car with an 8 speed transmission and you having a car with a 3 speed transmission and we take them out to race on the salt flats, but I can only use the first 3 gears.... totally meaningless!

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 03, 2014, 09:03:54 AM »
The grass is always greener on the other side

Except that it's absolutely not, of course, for many of us.

Nothing Nikon does (and - hah! - by an order of magnitude, nothing Sony does), gets within a country mile of the 7D Mk II's capabilities in the categories in which the 7D Mk II is intended to excel.

This is a fact completely ignored by the bloody trolls and associated idiots that post on here kicking the camera for not being a small mirrorless: this is exactly like bitching about a BMW for not being much good at pulling a plough: it (the 7D Mk II) is what it is, and it's extraordinarily good at the things it's meant to be good at.

Any Sony MILC user is welcome to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with me and try to compete when I shoot BIFs or MotoGP motorbikes with my 7D Mk II: I'll tear you apart.
+1

and the torture test is to track a chickadee in flight through the branches of a tree....

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 03, 2014, 07:56:50 AM »

I wouldn't say the 7DII AF is better than the 1D X, more of a wash.  On the 1D X, with an f/2.8 or faster lens you have more dual cross points, and with an f/4 or faster lens you have more accurate cross-type toward the sides of the frame.  On the 7DII, with an f/5.6 lens you have all cross-type points, and you have a better spread of AF points across the (cropped) frame.  AF is also faster on the 1D X, thanks to the higher battery voltage. 

+1
Bryan Carnathan got Canon's Chuck Westfall to explain the main differences of the AF systems in the 7D2, 1D-X, and 5D3 on his TDP site. It's worth reading:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Comparisons/Canon-EOS-7D-II-1D-X-5D-III-AF-Comparison.aspx

although it comes out as a draw, I would not have been surprised if the 7D2 had been delivered with better AF than the 1DX.... after all, it is a newer camera... I would also be very surprised if the next revisions of the 5D3 and 1DX don't improve further from what we have now...

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Reviews / Re: One of the "Best cameras of 2014" lists
« on: December 02, 2014, 10:37:14 PM »
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I just wish folks were consistent.

which folks are being inconsistent? it seems to me that the same characters (including myself) that dismiss DxO for their methodology do so consistently regardless of what brand they are scoring.
and it isn't just their sensors.... and it's not even about brands....

Look at Canon lenses.... they score the 50F1.8 (Canon's lowest cost lens) HIGHER than the 600F4.0 (Canon's highest cost lens)... If that doesn't tell you something is wrong then nothing will....

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This is no different that the local coffee shop with a box for change to "send a kid to camp", or the grocery store with a big bin to accept donations to the food bank.

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Reviews / Re: One of the "Best cameras of 2014" lists
« on: December 02, 2014, 07:30:07 PM »
isn't the list better titled "most of the cameras released in 2014"...... it seems as if every camera released was the best or a close runner up....

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 02, 2014, 04:59:50 PM »
... without any moving parts inside, more robust, more durable, immune to misalignments of components ... with zero vibrations, zero noise ... with stabilizer working with all lenses ...

This combination would indeed be quite impressive,  ;D.

+1
+1
I would love to see an internal 5 axis stabilization system with no moving parts.....

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 02, 2014, 02:03:21 PM »
That's not "what people are saying". All that people are saying, 0.2 stops better Hi ISO or 14% of this or that or a few more AF fields ... are NOT game changing.

I'd say that it is.  It's a professional level sports and action camera in a compact body for 1/4 the cost.  That's a game changer for me.  I hate the 1D bodies, and I wouldn't pay for them even if I didn't.  This way, I get a body I like at a cost I can justify, all with terrific image quality and a great support system.

My opinion: The 7D2 is not revolutionary, it is evolutionary. There is nothing in it that hasn't been done before, it's just a bit better than a whole lot of cameras at a whole lot of things... but when all those improvements are rolled in together in one package, it adds up to a significant overall improvement...

AF Almost as good as the 1DX
burst rate almost as good as the 1DX
weather sealing a bit better than the 1DX
DPAF a bit better than the 7D
Video a bit better than the 70D
IQ a bit better than the 70D
noise a bit lower than the 70D
ergonomics about the same as the 5D3

Nothing new here, just the best (or slightly better) features from those that have gone before in one affordable package... Is it a game changer? I don't think so.... but it is a wonderful tool that will probably sell quite well and will have a loyal following, like the 7D before it.

The 1Dx is $6,900 and enormous, and the 5D3 is $3,200.  Neither has a popup flash (which, despite the stuck-up noses of some, is a very useful thing).  So, it's a game changer because people like me will own it, when we don't own either of the other two.

That said, I'd love a full-frame version.  Call it a 5D4 and I'll probably buy it for around the 5D3 cost.
Agreed! My suspicion is that the 5D4 will be a FF 7D2, probably with a few more minor improvements....

For me, both the 1Dx and 5D3 were too expensive and not really an option. The 7D2 replaced a 60D and does everything a bit better with one exception... AF. The 7D2 AF system makes the 60D look like a broken kid's toy. I can certainly understand why the 1DX owners love their AF....

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As most of us know (and is referenced on threads on many photo forums), the infamous KR has a button on his site asking for donations to help support his growing family. I just came across another site - Clarkvision - that had a donation button at the bottom "if you like what you see" (or something similar). I would be willing to bet there are at least a couple other photo information sites with a donation feature as well (and likely sites for other topics unrelated to photography).

My first thought is does anyone actually donate to them? But my more pressing thought is, isn't this illegal for a commercial site? Don't you have to be a registered 501(c)3 non-profit organization to solicit donations in the United States? Do they get away with it just because no one bothers to report them to the IRS or FTC?
I wonder how this works across borders....

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Lenses / Re: Review: Sensor Performance of the 7D Mark II
« on: December 02, 2014, 12:55:39 PM »
That's not "what people are saying". All that people are saying, 0.2 stops better Hi ISO or 14% of this or that or a few more AF fields ... are NOT game changing.

I'd say that it is.  It's a professional level sports and action camera in a compact body for 1/4 the cost.  That's a game changer for me.  I hate the 1D bodies, and I wouldn't pay for them even if I didn't.  This way, I get a body I like at a cost I can justify, all with terrific image quality and a great support system.

My opinion: The 7D2 is not revolutionary, it is evolutionary. There is nothing in it that hasn't been done before, it's just a bit better than a whole lot of cameras at a whole lot of things... but when all those improvements are rolled in together in one package, it adds up to a significant overall improvement...

AF Almost as good as the 1DX
burst rate almost as good as the 1DX
weather sealing a bit better than the 1DX
DPAF a bit better than the 7D
Video a bit better than the 70D
IQ a bit better than the 70D
noise a bit lower than the 70D
ergonomics about the same as the 5D3

Nothing new here, just the best (or slightly better) features from those that have gone before in one affordable package... Is it a game changer? I don't think so.... but it is a wonderful tool that will probably sell quite well and will have a loyal following, like the 7D before it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Sony to capture all the non-Canon sensor sales
« on: December 01, 2014, 10:17:45 PM »
So the industry matures, Sony and Canon are making all the FF and crop sensors, and someone (Nikon? Olympus? Panasonic? Sigma?) decides they are tired of getting gouged by Sony, and they start up their own fabrication line or even contract out to Canon.

Everybody buys components from third party suppliers... if the market is there, one will emerge to fill a sensor void when the time is right.

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