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Animal Kingdom / Re: Beaver Shots
« on: February 13, 2014, 06:23:40 AM »
I rarely see Beaver despite there being signs of them all around.  Both of these were taken with the 70-200is usm ii with a 1.4xiii extender.  This guy was sitting about 20 feet from a bridge in Fanno creek park in Portland, a biker told me to look when he saw my camera, I was expecting a nutria.  You were all expecting an animal ..... right?
The beaver is Canada's national rodent, so it seems appropriate to post these shots taken in Ottawa, the nations Capitol, with the Parliament buildings in the background.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 09:31:27 PM »
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Now Panasonic comes out with 4K video at 24 frames per second... still not fast enough to do anything beyond very slow moving objects

4k video at 24fps is not fast enough for ... anything?

Someone better tell Hollywood that the frame rate they've been using for decades in nearly all of their movies is too slow for motion!
Good point :)
They also have a lot more skill at movie making than I do... a LOT more...
My movie making has been recording musicians (slow), scenery while paddling (slow), and birds and a hyper kitten (very fast). 30fps is fast enough for the first two, and 120fps isn't fast enough for the second two...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 07:41:44 PM »
Sella - So you say dual pixel tech in liveview shooting is "Useless to a stills-only photographer like me."

Then why are you even the least bit concerned about the development of 4k?

BTW, not sure if anyone filled you in, but mirrorless = liveview shooting. I think that makes dual pixel a little bit significant at least, wouldn't you say?
John, be careful.... you are using logic... this is an emotional argument  and things like logic and common sense have no place :)

What seems to be missing from the argument/discussion is 4K video :)

A year ago GoPro comes out with 4K video at 15 frames per second.... not fast enough to be useful for anything other than landscape shots.

Now Panasonic comes out with 4K video at 24 frames per second... still not fast enough to do anything beyond very slow moving objects

The next step will be ????? with 4K video at 30 frames per second... fast enough to shoot people walking and only have minor jerkiness. It would also be fast enough to support 2K video at 120hz

4K will be here when someone offers 4K video at 60 frames per second and motion starts to get smooth. This will be the camera that supports 2K video at 240hz to really capture fast moving objects.

The bottleneck is not sensors or cpus, the bottleneck is writing to storage. When that problem is solved, the dominoes will fall. When you see a camera with CFast or some other fast (or faster) storage, then and only then will you see 4K video at reasonable frame rates.

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I read already a lot and it's getting more difficult to make a choice between the 5D-III or 7D II for sport action and allround..?
I am used to crop 1.6 now and its giving me kreeps to step over to full frame with my gear 17-40L / 70-200 L 4.0 IS.
My main course is sport pictures now, but i want to make more money out of the hobby and do some more beaty and wedding photography, the outstanding 5D is for the last two the best, but with 6 shots a second will it give me good sport actions instead of the coming 7D II which will be probably much faster (12 a sec).

so please advise..

greats from Holland
If you are looking for a wedding camera, 5DIII all the way.

The 7D2 has been about to be released for a year and I doubt that you will be able to get your hands on one any time soon, probably Fall at the earliest.

The big advantages it will have over the 5DIII are weather-sealing (brides don't like rain so that's not really an advantage) and the faster frame rate, but then again, you don't need that because brides don't run very fast, unless they are fleeing the wedding, and then they don't want pictures to remind them anyway.....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 11:41:49 AM »
And 4K is not new.... GoPro has had it for a year now..... It was inevitable that someone would come out with it in a DSLR or a mirrorless camera, Panasonic just happens to be the first. Others will follow. Today it is a niche, tomorrow it will be a standard feature.
We need to stop using the GoPro example - at only 15fps, it's still not viable video. 

Yet the GH4 is only 24 fps......

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 11:39:44 AM »
And 4K is not new.... GoPro has had it for a year now..... It was inevitable that someone would come out with it in a DSLR or a mirrorless camera, Panasonic just happens to be the first. Others will follow. Today it is a niche, tomorrow it will be a standard feature.

Definitely agree. At some point, possibly sooner than later, others will follow. At that time, 4k will be closer to being a household name and something which people can immediately identify as being desirable and/or important.

However, individuals like Sella and Dilbert believe that this move by Panasonic (right now), will somehow either force Canon to make a move or lead to market share loss in the xD lines if they don't.

I don't believe anyone in this thread believes that 4k isn't going to be the standard at some point. I also don't believe that any of us don't see the utility in having it right now. Problem is, it is not something that the mass market believes or knows that they NEED right now. The issue this causes is that Canon will not move until the mass market forces them to.

The question then remains, will the GH4 be enough to cause that type of market demand?
Well said!

And have you seen the optional interface unit, complete with XLR jacks?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:37:58 AM »
It is probably more to do with marketing than anything else.

There is that, of course. And then the niche market item has value beyond direct monetary profit.

With video, when you go to prestige items, you end up with cinema cameras and lenses.

So maybe Panasonic is doing the same as you've just stated about the marketing value of prestige niche items. Panasonic needs an angle in the market, and maybe "affordable" high-quality video is it. The strategy would then be to launch a full-featured camera (the GH4) now and then about six months to a year later a stripped down (aka crippled) version for the masses.

It could also be that Panasonic wants to get into the "real" cinema camera business. But that is expensive and a huge gamble. So, what do they do? Well, apart from the size of the sensor, everything will be the same, because its the same amount of data ... because, as I've said previously, 4K is 4K, irrespective of the size of the sensor. The GH4 could be a proof of concept camera, a testbed for the technology, and bloody good PR if they pull it off. (And if they don't, then they haven't made idiots of themselves in the "real" cinema camera business.)

So, how does this affect Canon? Well, it will mean that Panasonic becomes a direct competitor to not only Canon's Cinema EOS range, but also their "mainstream" aspirations.
And 4K is not new.... GoPro has had it for a year now..... It was inevitable that someone would come out with it in a DSLR or a mirrorless camera, Panasonic just happens to be the first. Others will follow. Today it is a niche, tomorrow it will be a standard feature.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 10:31:48 AM »
Can I walk into Target and buy the LOTR box set as 4K movies?  Can I buy them on Amazon? (Don't try to sell me on '4K Mastered for optimal up scaling and a near-4K experience.)   No, I didn't think so.  That's why 4K is niche, not mainstream.
No, But I can walk into BestBuy and pick up "GhostBusters".... To be fair, they list a grand total of 10 4K titles, hardly mainstream...

They also list 14 4K TV's with prices from $3200 to $40,000... once again, hardly mainstream when you compare it to 2K televisions that start at $140.....

I definitely agree with Neuro about it being a niche market, but give it a few years and things should be different.

Exactly. So if you're making your current (or next generation) of products 4k capable then you're ready and gaining experience as a manufacturer as to what to expect.

If the 7D2 has 4K video I am going to get one. If the 7D2 does not have 4K video I'm going to get one. It isn't a dealbreaker for me :) but if it does, I will shoot in 4K even though I do not have a monitor or a TV capable of displaying it, knowing that at some time in the future I will be able to view it at it's full potential.

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What "pro" does Canon have that's WiFi enabled.  The closest you can get is a 6D, which is not really something I would be using for sports.  None of the 1-series or even 5-series have WiFi.

I think he meant the Wireless File Transmitter?

No, I really meant built-in WiFi. It was a sarcastic remark. (For the why, read my other posts.)

My bet is that the 7D2, the 5D4, and whatever the 1dX sucessor is called, will all have WiFi and touchscreens. We are in a transition between WiFi being a new feature and it being a standard feature.

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Canon specifically said WiFi wasn't built in due to concerns from their military customers.  That's why it's the optional module.

The 6D comes out in a WiFi and non-WiFi version - or is that a GPS and non-GPS version? Either way, that's a truly weak excuse on the part of Canon.

There are countries where WiFi enabled cameras are not allowed to be sold... hence the two models...

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... a state-of-the-art fibre optic network ... the 100Mbps network ...

Huh?

DARN!
I'm going to have to upgrade all the 10Gbps fibres at work to 100Mbps now :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 07:31:43 AM »
You keep harping on 4K video being a niche market. Yes, I agree that it is a niche market. But what you fail to see is how much money is inside that niche market. For example, let's compare the EOS 1D line to the "Rebel"/xxxD line, shall we? I'm sure the profit on the "Rebel" line is a gazillion times more than that on the 1D line, would you not agree? And the 1D line is also a very niche market of either true professionals or super-rich amateurs, not true? So, then, why does Canon keep the 1D line if it is made for such very niche market and the "Rebel" line is where most the money lies, huh? ... Oh, before you answer, please consider Leica.

It could be that they regard the 1DX and the "big whites" as prestige items, with the view that having these in the lineup improves sales of the lower items.... something like "Pros shoot with Canon, you should too". It is probably more to do with marketing than anything else. With video, when you go to prestige items, you end up with cinema cameras and lenses.

My opinion is that what is holding Canon back from 4K video is the ability to dump to storage at a reasonable speed. Until that problem is solved (CFast?) you are not going to see 4K video.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Will the next xD cameras do 4k?
« on: February 12, 2014, 07:22:33 AM »
When we talk about whether or not Canon will be affected so much as to make a move to 4k video themselves, the Rebel line inherently has to be taken into account as it is probably the top selling line Canon offers which makes it the most significant market.

And Sony sells insurance that keeps the company afloat; and Olympus makes medical equipment to try and keep the company afloat; and Panasonic makes bio-toilets that keeps the company afloat; and IBM lives off its patents; and ... and ... So why do you keep dragging the "Rebel" line into this conversation?

Probably because it is the Rebel line that keeps Canon Cameras afloat :)

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Canon General / Re: Big zoom, small size
« on: February 12, 2014, 07:20:08 AM »
Hello, I was wondering if anybody has real life experience (and photos to back it up) with a superzoom compact camera.  I was looking at the latest announcements by Sony at dpreview and could help wonder if a 24.5 - 1550mm equivalent lens that is smaller (and cheaper) than a full frame 50mm could possibly produce anything decent.

Put another way, if I were to go on a trip to Alaska, or Yellowstone tomorrow and couldn't afford a canon 600mm or bigger (let alone the trash-can size and weight) would it be worth it to grab a superzoom that has a reach of 1000+ equivalent? (not necessarily the Sony ones mentioned).

Please don't start a discussion on image stabilization, or the small sensor size and its effects on IQ. I'm well aware of all that.  I'm asking about the lens, so assume we are taking a picture of a grizzly bear, or a bird, who's standing still, on a very bright day, with the camera on a tripod.

I suggest you look at this thread....

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=19470.msg366042#msg366042

(Forum - Gear talk - Powershot - 200X Zoom on SX50)

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Your best animal shots!
« on: February 11, 2014, 10:33:47 PM »
Got lots of good eagles but this is my best animal shot of 2013 and maybe my life??
Also my first post, hello and hi.
Nice shot!

Welcome to the forum.

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