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Lenses / Re: Canon EF 70-200 f2.8L IS II pricing and feedback
« on: September 29, 2014, 05:17:05 PM »
I would expect the price to be the same as last year. It is, and has been, the king of the hill, so barring any sudden serious competition from Sigma (or Tamron) I wouldn't expect a reduction. As an aside, I also have the f/4 IS and I use that lens as much or more than the 2.8 if I don't need high shutter speeds or creamy bokah. It is just soooo much nicer to walk around with  ;)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 29, 2014, 05:07:58 PM »
I still don't understand why there is controversy....

For some people, the current crop of Canons have enough DR.... and they are happy. For others, they do not and many of them are frustrated with waiting.

Anyone else remember when digital cameras shot 16 color jpgs? Then we went up to 8 bit colour depth... then we went to 24 bit color depth (RGB at 8 bit D/A)... then we went 10 bit A/D... then 12 bit... and we have been stuck for an awful long time at 14 bit... 16 bit will come someday soon for low pixel count sensors, but right now, with the full well charge of the current sensors 14 bits is enough to count every electron in the well. Extra bits will not help until there is a bigger well to count. That goes for EVERYONE! Canon, Nikon, Sony, whoever....
Yes, if we bumped up quantum efficiency a bit we could make minor improvements.... but realistically everyone is in the same ballpark and there are not a lot of differences when you have lots of light.

The real problem is noise. If your least significant bit is toggling on and off with noise, then you have 14-1, or 13 bits, of accuracy. If you have more noise and the least significant 3 bits are toggling with noise, you have 14-3, or 11 bits of accuracy...... and that is the difference between Canon and Sony sensors. Sony sensors read with less noise and because of that the signals have more range. If Canon improved their noise levels (and it is rumoured that this has happened on the 7D2) then the gap would lessen.

The reason why some people are so interested in seeing Canon shift to a newer fabrication run is two-fold. With higher resolution lithography, there is less wasted space and the efficiency of the sensor goes up (more electrons to count).... problem is, the number could only be boosted by a quarter so it will be an incremental improvement, not something revolutionary. The other advantage of the newer fabrication process is a redesign that moves the A/D onto the sensor and reduces noise that way... and it is possible that Canon could gain almost 2 stops if they did that...

So what does this mean in the real world?

For bright areas of the picture, very little.

For dark areas, quite a lot.

Let's say that you have a dark area of a picture where the lower 4 bits should be 1000. If you have 1 bit of noise on the signal those values are going to range from 0111 to 1001... not a lot of difference. If you have 3 bits of noise on the signal it will range from 0000 to 1111, a far more substantial difference and when you push your dark areas, you see the noise. Interestingly enough, for that area, the AVERAGE value will still be 1000. With advanced noise reduction software you can reduce that noise to a more acceptable range, but this adds in another processing step for the photographer and even at that, it will never be as clean as an image without the noise.

In essence, those who are clamoring for a better sensor would like to eliminate this processing step and want better quality images out of the camera..... but show me a single photographer out there, Canon, Nikon, Sony, or whatever shooters, who would be upset with their manufacturer if they were given cleaner images?

And that is what the debate is all about.... cleaner images. We all want the same thing so why are we attacking each other over this. Let's get along and try to be respectful.

Very well said. As a few have said around here, we vote with our wallets. No need to be offended or offensive. I am not going to buy a 7Dll because I have the original 7D and it is good enough for my needs. I picked up a 6D because I didn't feel the 5Dlll was worth the increase in price for my needs. If the 5DlV comes out with what I consider to be too high a price, I may bitch a little, but in the end I'll probably just get a Sony body (assuming they work out all the kinks). Simple.

EOS Bodies / Re: mirrorless ?
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:53:28 PM »
I know for myself I want both a small easy to carry mirrorless such as the M with an APS-C sensor and a FF version with all the benefits of a truly pro grade system. I don't really care about the size of the FF camera. I had the shutter on my 5Dll take a dump after leaving it in the trunk of my car for too long (I know, my own fault). Just another reason to loose the shutter along with the mirror.

EOS Bodies / Re: No EOS-1D X Replacement in 2014 [CR2]
« on: September 29, 2014, 04:44:12 PM »
I am curious about future pricing. I think one of the reasons many 5Dlll owners aren't in such a hurry to upgrade is because of the (what I consider to be) high price. If the 5 series were still selling in the upper 2000s I think upgrading would be more attractive than at $3600. That was quite a hike from the 5Dll to the 5Dlll. I am hoping the greater competition in bodies and lenses from other manufacturers are forcing Canon to take a step back from their great price hikes. I bought a 6D rather than a 5Dlll because I didn't feel the focus system was worth an additional $1700. But more recently comes the very reasonably priced EF16-35 f/4IS and the also reasonably priced 7Dll. So will Canon continue this pricing trend with the 5DlV and introduce it for a more reasonable $2900-3200 to avoid more folks from migrating to a Sony or Nikon body? Or am I just dreaming?

Lenses / Re: Review: Canon EF 16-35 f/4L IS by Dustin Abbott
« on: September 29, 2014, 01:07:29 PM »
Dustin's got it right again. "...this is the best wide angle zoom that Canon has ever produced." Damn right it is. Getting it from Canon Direct with a 20% discount was just icing on the cake :)

EOS-M / Re: EOS M Accessory question
« on: September 28, 2014, 04:59:34 PM »

More shots would be greatly appreciated! I really want to like this lens or the Tamron as it would be very convenient to have all bases covered in such a compact kit. I hope Canon releases the third iteration body before x-mas (not likely) so third party manufacturers can have enough incentive to produce some fast primes for the little bugger.

Here's a few comparison images I took while visiting Rocky Mountain National Park this weekend.  Target is Long's Peak from Highway 7 about 4.5 miles away.  Early in the day so only a slight haze.  Used a tripod and 2 second timer to minimize technique issues.  Pixel peepers might notice some folks on the peak. Raw images exported from DxO OP9 with no corrections.

I think I'll keep it. 

Thanks for the samples! I found a reliable Japanese "bulk seller" on ebay and picked one up for under $390 shipped. I've only shot some walk around test shots, but it seems to be quite sharp. Haven't tried it on a moving subject though :P When the M3 comes out with a focus system that has tracking ability, I sure hope these lenses are up to the task.
Is anyone aware of an L bracket that's size-appropriate for this little fellow? Henjar Photo sells an L bracket for the Fuji 690 that is a little large but would work, but it's $105 ;D

Some one locally is selling a 100-400 for $1000... I'm not sure if it is in anticipation of the new one coming out... but it is tempting... even just buying one, using it for a while and then selling it.  Tempting.
If it's anything close to as sharp as mine is, it's a steal!

+1    An improvement of the IS system is really all I want. I'm quite happy with the IQ.

Lenses / Re: EF 24-70mm
« on: September 24, 2014, 06:51:44 PM »
I looked around and the price is currently $2099. Any upcoming or anticipated deals? Thanks

There will be good sales at the end of the year, but I would wait for a refurb sale from Canon. They can be had for around $1550. You have to be fast though. They don't go on sale often and they don't last long when they do. A useful site: http://www.canonpricewatch.com/

Edit: Canon has refurbs right now for $1680. They come with a one year warranty. The bad news is that they charge sales tax and sometimes shipping.

Lenses / Re: Inexpensive standard walk around lens question
« on: September 24, 2014, 06:17:02 AM »
The only bundle that I have seen 7DII is with the EF-S18-135. In fact this costs 300 more than body only 7DII.

Where is a bundle 7DII with 24-70 f/4 IS available and sold in this price?


EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 23, 2014, 07:19:38 PM »
I don't see an (admittingly boring) option for the status quo. My index finger has super powers. It can leap over 1000 page essays in a single bound. It can time warp into the future by fast-forwarding to the part of the discussion that is back on point. There is even the nuclear option where with a single click it can completely abandon the thread.

EOS Bodies / Re: Interview hints to future new Canon mount type
« on: September 21, 2014, 03:13:34 PM »
Some allusion to MFT size sensor there, as well, it seems.
When I consider just how good the IQ is from my Oly EM10's tiny sensor, with just enough ability for OOF areas and DoF control, it seems like the 4/3 system was well conceived for all around compromises.
I can landscape at low ISO with some shadow push ability, use iso25600 and get usable images for small prints, put on a long lens for shallow DoF shooting, all in a tiny light package.
Yup, that sensor size is a good compromise.

On the other hand, when Canon finally decides to put both feet in the mirrorless race, the M mount system will yield better IQ than a 4/3 system can. Though Canon seems to have stumbled out of the gate, mirrorless wise, I think we all know that when Canon gets serious, they have the tools and knowledge to produce at least a very competitive camera. Maybe by then they will have improved their sensor/readout components and that, combined with maturing DPAF tech, may allow them to be class-leading in the segment. It's good to dream...

Lenses / Re: Does it matter anymore who makes the sensors?
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:38:09 AM »
Sony is the company, who have currently some seriously financial problems... maybe in 5 years Sony is busted?
If Sony went bankrupt today, bits and pieces of the company would be sold off to whoever would pay the most. I would imagine that Nikon/Olympus/Panasonic would set up a company to take over the camera sensor division....

Why is Canon not on your list of vultures?  :)

EOS-M / Re: More EF-M lenses in the future
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:33:38 AM »
I'm currently reviewing two EF-M mount lenses from third party manufacturers:  Tamron 18-200 VC and Rokinon 12mm f/2.  They are both very good lenses:  the Tamron does a little bit of everything quite well.  But the little Rokinon (manual everything) is a true treat.  It is basically a better version of the 14mm f/2.8:  less distortion, similar sharpness, and can use traditional filters.  I LOVE it!  The only thing holding it back is the basic limitations of a crop sensor (as compared to a FF sensor).

My full reviews will be live in the next couple of weeks.

I'm glad to hear of further development for the M.  It definitely has limitations, but it produces surprisingly good images.  I actually used a 60D for a recent review of a crop sensor lens and was surprised by how much less "clean" the images were compared to the EOS M images.  I haven't used a 70D/7DII yet, but I suspect the images from the M will be closer to the 70D than the 60D (I do anticipate the 70D/7DII having the best IQ of the three).

I'm not sure I'd be willing to spring for a MF lens for this camera (esp since I have the most excellent 11-22mm), but I greatly look forward to your review of the Tamron. I guess I'll find out how useful that 1/3 less MFD than the Canon turns out to be.

EOS-M / Re: EOS M Accessory question
« on: September 21, 2014, 09:12:39 AM »
I find the ef-m adapter useful as a backup option, to extend reach, or to mount specialty lenses.  Before I had the entire ef-m lens collection I tried all of my L glass on the M to see how they performed. I had used them on a T2i before so I was already comfortable with the crop factor.  I appreciated the lenses with IS a bit more but found I could handhold them with appropriate shutter speeds.

I really prefer the native lens for their size and balance.  In the photos you can see how I cradle the M and lens in my left hand, freeing my right for the controls. It's surprising how small and easy to hold is a 200 mm lens.  It's somewhat similar to your golf grip.  Lenses with the adapter were a bit more awkward.

My primary outdoor lenses for the M are the 11-22 and 55-200, with the 22 my choice for indoors.   I find the 18-55 most useful for backyard video of the grandkid. The adapter still gets used for the Tamron 150-600, 100 f/2.8L IS Macro, and 8-15 f/4L fisheye which don't have ef-m counterparts.

How do you like the 55-200? I can't find any definitive information about it at all. Do you find it to be sharp at all/most FL? Do you feel that the lens is worth $400, or is it simply the only game in town with a small footprint? Any insight would be appreciated!

A bit early to say anything definitive.  Initial impression is as good as EFS 55-250 STM. No comparison to my 70-200f4L IS on the M, but they are in different leagues.  The size and balance easily trumps the others.  It goes easily wherever my M goes.  The others didn't.

Meets my needs, but I don't pixel peep too much except to compare with my other lenses. Seemed a bit soft on the long end but that could easily be my handholding technique or missing focus.  Have posted a few photos in other threads.  Maybe we need to start a thread for it.  Traveling now and have a backlog to process, might post some more next week.

More shots would be greatly appreciated! I really want to like this lens or the Tamron as it would be very convenient to have all bases covered in such a compact kit. I hope Canon releases the third iteration body before x-mas (not likely) so third party manufacturers can have enough incentive to produce some fast primes for the little bugger.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Deal: Has the EOS 6D Body Ever Been Cheaper?
« on: September 19, 2014, 06:01:26 PM »
Totally agree! I'm about to buy one.
Any thoughts/experience on DigitalOutlets.net? Its the first one that shows up in Google Shopping. Brand new 6D for $1099.
Thanks in advance.

 ;D ;D ;D       What Mt Spokane said!

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