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PowerShot / Re: Review: G1 X MK2 by DPReview
« on: August 31, 2014, 02:59:24 PM »
that the sensor performance is reported to be the same or slightly worse than the G1X sensor is a bit disappointing of course.

It's the usual Canon Sensor story  :'(

Quote from DPReview:

"These examples (and our test scene on the coming pages) suggest that the RX100 II's sensor is so much better than the G1 X II's that it cancels-out much of the dynamic range and high ISO noise advantages that the G1 X II's larger sensor should bring...

Overall, though, the larger sensor in the Canon is much of the reason that the camera is so much less pocketable than the Sony, yet the full benefits of that additional sensor size are not realized: the Canon's image quality advantage isn't proportionate with its greater bulk."

All that is basically saying that for its size, the Sony sensor is very good, but it still does not match the larger Canon sensor.  So if almost as good means better to some, that's fine.  The small size of the RX100 to me was a deal breaker, its too small for my hands.  For others, its ideal.

Mirrorless is good enough for most shooting already.  Has been for a few years if you consider how well Fuji's X Pro and XE1 work.

True, that's why they are taking business from Point and Shoot sales and possibly from low end DSLR's.  So, it does depend on expectations. 

I don't consider them good enough or I'd have one.  I would not buy a Fuji or Sony, at least, not yet.  A camera for me is only part of a complete system, which includes hardware, software, and support.  All three need to be top notch for me to buy in.

Long term, DSLR is falling.

Long term, mirrorless is raising.

lol, based on your graph more like mirrorless sales are eternally flat, and dslr cycles.  Though at the rate mirrorless is "rising" perhaps it can overtake dslr by 2514.

DSLR sales are cycling down and at the rate DSLR sales are dropping, it won't be long before they drop under that of mirrorless.

The mirrorless sales aren't eternally flat but on the scale of the graph presented, a 10% drop from 1,000,000 will of course show up larger than a 10% rise from 100,000.

I certainly hope that mirrorless  continues to be developed and that sales rise, the basic idea has so many advantages if they can keep improving.  The disadvantages are still big enough to keep them from being high performance products, but those objections are being overcome at a rapid pace.  While many see size as the ultimate goal, I see mechanical reliability and simplicity as the big benefits.  Getting rid of mirror, sub mirror, AF sensor, exposure sensor. pentaprism, focus screen, and sensor cleaning have to mean a huge cost of ownership reduction, and a huge reduction in cost to manufacture.

The figure we do not see from CIPA is profit.  Sales quantities and dollar values are nice, but manufacturers will go where the profit is.  Profits from camera sales are dropping for all manufacturers.  Canon seems to be doing better than others, but poor sales means less $$ will be spent on new models. 

Not surprisingly, good marketing usually has more affect on sales than technical quality, and Canon has supurb marketing.  Profit comes from the most efficient manufacturing.  That's where Canon really shines.  They are very good at designing cameras to be churned out of their factories with lower manufacturing cost.  I don't know how they are doing on their goal of completely assembling products by robotics, but it is a stated goal.

Canon traditionally has been about producing a product that was good, maybe not the best, but something they could mass produce and sell for a few dollars less than the competition while making a bigger profit.  If they lose sight of this formula, they will be in trouble.  I think their lens products are a example of losing sight of their roots.  They produce superb lenses, but they cost too much for most ordinary photographers.  They need to rethink their strategy of trying to make the best of the best of mass produced lenses, and move to lower production costs.

A huge company like Canon is not nimble, and is slow to react to market changes.  They seem to study a market to death, and the market has moved on before they get a new product out.  They have the advantage of brand loyalty and manufacturing capability. but are slow.  They are pushing the cinema business, and its causing a slowdown in the still photography area.  New lenses are designed to make them better for video.  This means adding IS for wide focal lengths where its not needed for still photography, and IS makes a design complex, reduces reliability, and increases the price.  This is one area where DSLR video is increasing prices.

You can bet that the 7D MK II will have a big price, probably pushing $2K, and that it will cost $300 to produce.  If sales are poor, we'll see a price drop, but profits will still be high.  Imagine if it were mirrorless!  It might drop the cost to produce to $200, and still sell for the same price, or even more.  I'm sure this is not lost on the designers, but the Canon marketing people do not believe, and the billion dollars it takes to do it are not going to be doled out in one or two years.

EOS Bodies / Re: Differences in color of lcd screens
« on: August 31, 2014, 12:08:22 PM »
Hello All,

I have a 5D3 and a 6D...the 6D's back screen seems a lot warmer.

Of course the final images are just fine from both.

I know you shouldn't be counting on it for exact representation of the image, but it would be nice if they were a closer in color temp.

Has anyone ever heard of having your screens calibrated to eliminate the difference?


I've never considered calibrating my screen, I use the camera in so many different lighting situations that a single calibration under one type of lighting will look poor somewhere else.

While some DSLR's let you adjust color, most are good enough in the standard mode.  My Nikon D800 in daylight had a slight green tint that was noticible, but it was the least of the issues.

Reviews / Re: Consumer Reports: Canon G1X MK2 Best Ever
« on: August 31, 2014, 11:55:04 AM »
I have one, and I like it for general carry around use, as opposed to a DSLR with 24-105mm lens.  Its far too big to be pocketable, but small enough to be carried with a wrist strap.

Consumer reports slants their reviews towards a different type of user than those who post here.  Photo enthusiasts are a very diverse group, and are generally going to sacrifice all around utility for best performance. 

I feel that the camera is priced too high, but I sold my old G1 X MK I for 3X what it cost me new, so the difference to upgrade wasn't bad.

My wife just spent a week horse riding on the ocean beach, and was worried about taking a $800 camera on the horse.  I spotted a used Nikon s9700 on CL for $120 and bought it for her.  I played around with it, its fine for what I paid, but a huge step down in IQ and overall performance.  Noise is horrible at almost any setting above base ISO.  It survived the beach just fine, she is careful with her cameras, so I don't know if we will keep it or not.  It fits in her purse, so she likes that.  The GPS feature works well, in Lightroom I could zoom into a satellite view of the camp and see where each photo was taken.  I would not want her to use that feature to post online and let someone track her.  The camera has Wi-Fi, but she does not use it.  I thought the Wi-Fi on the G1 X was crippled, but when I tried the primitive Wi-Fi on the Nikon, Canon started looking very good.

I've looked at the data for years.  Its easy to "Cook" a graph by selecting what you want to prove.  There are figures for $$ values of sales, for units shipped, and for production, and each will give a different graph.

I'm a bit leery of all those figures, the market is very poor, and companies are dumping inventory, often at a loss, so what is the real market for profit making products?  With a "M" being dumped for $250 including 22mm lens, Canon is not making money, but sales of mirrorless for Canon will jump.  What happens when the price goes to $800 is another story.   

Then, there are sales by region or worldwide.

Right now, the hot spot for Camera sales is China, so its no surprise that all camera makers are concentrating on sales there.  This may very well affect the design of new products in the future, companies will compete where the market is hot.  If Chinese buyers want mirrorless, sales will soar in China, and that will spill over into other countries.

I'm one who would love to see all the mechanical claptrap in a DSLR go away.  Right now, its still necessary for the very best performance, but I'd settle for good performance in a form factor similar to a 5D MK III.  We are not there yet, and I see little interest in that market.

Canon started changing their lens boxes sometime ago, but there will be both types of boxes in inventory for sometime. 

Lenses / Re: price chart
« on: August 31, 2014, 11:15:07 AM »
Prices usually drop starting around the first of September, and Canon likes to blow out inventory by the end of their FY (Dec 31).  So, depending on inventory and on sales, look for deals and be ready to pounce.  The super deals often last only 1 day. 

PowerShot / Re: Review: G1 X MK2 by DPReview
« on: August 31, 2014, 11:08:15 AM »
I used my new G1 X yesterday, It is a reasonable size for a walk-around camera, and the tilt out lcd works well.  The big issue is composing a image on a sunny day.  I'm not going to pay $240 for a $50 electronic viewfinder.

For example, I could not tell if the rock in the background was in focus using the rear LCD in the bright sun, and did not want to fool with figuring out how to set the aperture manually.  So, Willie Willey's rock is OOF.

Then, I cut off the legs of the sax player.

Having 24mm equivalent is nice, I was quite close to the clock tower and could not get a clear view at other locations, people were everywhere. With the 24mm setting, I could get it in.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Placing an order today (I think) - need advice
« on: August 30, 2014, 07:44:45 PM »
As it turns out, I probably should have held off a few weeks due to the price drop occurring tomorrow.  With the adjusted street price, I'd have saved another $200 or so.  Perhaps not.  Does B&H and/or Adorama not sell as low as the street prices listed on Canon Price Watch?

Those are special deals only available thru price watch and thru a dealer they have a agreement with.  You can always negotiate BEFORE you buy.  You are not in a good position to deal later.  You can try though, a threat to return the equipment might work.  B&H has a 30 day return policy, but I'd not use it except when there is a problem with the equipment.

Technical Support / Re: Are you on drugs?
« on: August 29, 2014, 04:12:04 AM »
Why would you disassemble a camera to replace the clock battery on a camera that has a user replaceable clock battery?

On page 41 of the 5D user manual there are instructions how to remove one screw to remove the clock battery holder.

The battery drops in to the holder.  Then you slide it back into the camera then replace the one screw that holds the tray in.

The user manual is a free download from all canon sites.

This is like buying a new lamp to replace a burnt out bulb.


You are clueless.  I know what I'm doing.  There is a internal issue with the connection of the clock battery to the motherboard.  Replacing the clock battery does not fix that issue.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: August 29, 2014, 04:07:11 AM »
I bought a D800 after reading the hype.  It was a waste of money, I sold it and bought a 5D MK III.  The D800 appeals to armchair spec readers, but few that actually use one are happy. It is very good for landscape at ISO 100, but as a all-around camera, the 5D MK III is better.

Hopefully, the D810 is going to work out, but I'm not about to get one after my experience with the D800 and the high CA's in Nikon lenses.  Nikon has improved some of their lenses since the D800, but their 24-70 f/2.8 is way behind the Canon version.  Since you have to put a lens on a camera, a poor lens wipes out any advantage the body might have.

Lenses / Re: Will we see a refresh for the Canon 180mm f/3.5L USM Macro?
« on: August 29, 2014, 04:00:25 AM »
There have been rumors off and on every since the 100L came out.  Canon is able to keep new lens plans from leaking even better than the plans for new bodies.  Canon seems to be still concentrating primarily on video, so I expect to see new lenses that are dual purpose still / video.

EOS Bodies / Re: Grey Market 5DIII vs. USA Model
« on: August 28, 2014, 05:18:26 PM »
The retailer that you do not mention leaves us guessing.  Some are reliable and deliver what you order, some are scammers.  Yes, even those selling gray market cameras fall into reliable and switch and bait.

Go to Canon price watch.  They list the best of the gray market sellers.  There are some like Abes of Main that they refuse to list.

Personally, I'd go for the CPW street price deal and get a authorized seller of US models for $200 more.  Canon has been reported to be tightening up on servicing gray market cameras under warranty recently.

Software & Accessories / Re: Kirk BH-1 or RRS BH-55 Ballhead?
« on: August 28, 2014, 05:11:25 PM »
I have a Kirk Ball Head, I think its a BH1.  They are a fine head.  RRS might be better, but also expensive.  Don't overlook Markins, they are in the top performer group as well.

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