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Canon General / Re: How Canon makes their camera and lens...
« on: July 10, 2012, 12:15:30 PM »
PR it is, but there are a few things to learn as well.  Canon had a more in depth view of lens production in a video a few years ago.
Those pajama uniforms made me smile.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Product Announcement Invites for July 23, 2012
« on: July 10, 2012, 11:50:07 AM »
I'll be interested, but not buying if the price is out of sight.  I haven't bought into the G1 X due to price.
It really depends on what the camera brings that makes it usable.  The other mirrorless cameras are a weak lot with a couple of exceptions like the nex 7. 

Lenses / Re: dilemma
« on: July 10, 2012, 11:39:34 AM »
Tough call.  I really like the 135L on FF for portraits (I, too, started with an 85/1.8 on APS-C, then the 85L II, then when I got a 5DII, the 135L as well). 

The 70-200/2.8 IS II is a great lens, does wonderfully for portraits, and 135mm f/2.8 on FF will give you the same framing and DoF as 85mm f/1.8 on APS-C. However, it's big and heavy so that may be a factor for routine use (that said, it doesn't bother me to carry it all day on a Blackrapid strap).  But likewise, the 70-200/4 on FF will give you the DoF of f/2.8 on APS-C.

Are you keeping your 7D?  If you'll continue shooting daytime sports, you should - the AF of the 5DII isn't really up to the task.  That means you'll also still have the 17-55 as a general purpose zoom, but not have one for your 5DII.

Having said all of that, the 24-105L is a great walkaround lens for FF (better than the 17-55mm, since the FF-equivalent of that lens is a hypothetical 27-88mm f/4.5).   

My recommendation - get the 5DII+24-105 kit, use the 85/1.8 (move closer) and the 70-200/4 for your portraits, and add the 135L when budget permits.

That is a tough call.  Since you will not have a normal zoom range due to losing the 17-55, you will need to get one, and the 24-105 is a deal.  You will never lose on it. 
I'd buy the 24-105mmL with the body, and pickup the 135mmL later.  I have and use both, but the 24-105 is my walk around everyday lens.
If you are in the USA, you can buy the 5D MK II with 24-105mmL plus the 135mm L and with the $150 instant rebate, the total comes to $3638, well within your budget.  Don't forget a flash, the 5D does not have built in flash, so you need something to control remote flash units.

EOS Bodies / Re: 3D or 2D really possible?
« on: July 10, 2012, 11:21:10 AM »
Canon will produce anything that sells.  They have held the line on MP, because, as I found out with my D800, the 5D MK III is better for all around use while the D800 is great for portraits and landscape.
With the current state of the world economy, it seems likely to me that they will not invest another billion into a 1 series camera.  Sales are dropping off sharply for every camera maker, which is why we see even the Canon 5D MK III and all of the Nikon models on sale.
As far as having accountants involved, it would be stupid to turn out a camera that would not make money, at a time when the prospect of a deeper recession and the resultant losses is looming.  They need to keep the company in business, afterall.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: EOS 650d Monochrome - Blue ???
« on: July 09, 2012, 11:13:39 PM »
There are some very striking images in blue monochrome out there, but in camera jpeg?  If you are wanting to do something like that, I'd suggest using Raw. 
Its a gimmick to convince buyers that they do not have to know anything to get beautiful prints.  It doesn't work that way, or not as easy as they would have you believe. 
Thats the beauty of Raw, you have te output from the photosites to process and reprocess trying diffeent looks as many as you want.  With in-camera jpeg, its locked into the image. 

Site Information / Re: Optical Technician ?
« on: July 09, 2012, 11:04:18 PM »
Lots of information Love It ! I didn't expect a job to put lenses and cameras together was a low wage job/trade school.  I'm inspired to go into optic physics.  A Doctorate's degree sounds like the challenge i need not a trade school certificate/AA or BA.  I found a program at Arizona State and learning more to transfer. Again Thank you for everything !  :)
The University of Arizona is toward the top.

Technical Support / Re: Canon Factory Repair
« on: July 09, 2012, 10:08:44 PM »
Actually I was told that there is a law that requires manufactures to support a product at least 7 years after production (it was made to originally protect those buying cars).  After that (as I was told) it is really up to them.
Yes, for cars, but not for everything.  Certainly not for cameras.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5D Mark II Body Price Drop at B&H
« on: July 09, 2012, 10:05:27 PM »
I just called the CLP number. She told me that I still need an old broken canon camera. I asked the price point for 5d II. She said it was $1584 that included the state sales tax! Is this a good deal or what? Compare to B&H, it saves $500.
I think its a deal.  Mine was almost new, with only a few actuations.  So was the 7D I bought last year.  If the camera does not live up to expectations, you have 14 days to return it for any reason.  I'll be giving mine a careful checkout, but it looks pretty good right now.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5dMKIII samples at 51200 and 102400
« on: July 09, 2012, 08:43:38 PM »
I'd view the ones on the DPR website, they were carefully made.  Basically, you can use a lot of NR at those high ISO settings and have a small image look pretty good.  When you look closely, much of the fine detail is gone.
Here is one I took at 51200 in extreme low light.  It looks fairly good in the small size here, but much of the fine detail is gone.  I did not bother with higher ISO, I would not use it this high unless it was a emergency.

Here is another at 51200

EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama Order Fulfillment Tracking
« on: July 09, 2012, 07:23:06 PM »
Amazon tends to be the slowest.  Many who ordered 5D MK III's waited a month longer than Adorama, and B&H buyers waited longer yet. 
All of this is Canon's doing, they hold back shipping large quantities if they do not like a vendor selling graymarket, for example.
Stores do not control the availability from the manufacturer.
I did not see you mention what product you ordered, a 1D X is going to be a bit of a wait.  You will likely get it first from Adorama, or from a small local camera shop.  Canon seems to help small shops out by sending them a camera or two on shorter notice.

Technical Support / Re: Canon Factory Repair
« on: July 09, 2012, 07:15:56 PM »
I'm aware of all this (had it happen before) but I heard there is a date they usually stop working on cameras.  I'm trying to confirm this.  Anybody have any experience with this?
Canon issues a announcement when they no longer support a camera, lens, etc.  When that happens, they remove it from the list of cameras and lenses that qualify for repair on the link I posted. 
There is no scheduled date (that they post) giving a end of service notice.  I doubt if there is a law in the USA requiring them to service cameras for X years, but in the euro community, there are some warranties set into law.  Sony drops support for most of their products very shortly after the product is discontinued.  You'd be luck to get parts for 2 years. 

Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5D Mark II Body Price Drop at B&H
« on: July 09, 2012, 06:59:39 PM »
My Refurb thru Canon CLP arrived 15 minutes ago.  $1407.  I put a battery in it (same as my 7D battery), and used EOS count to check the actuations.  379 shutter actuations.  The battery is dated 12/2011.  No marks or other signs its ever been used, except for the refurb packaging.
I'll be checking it out this afternoon.

Just got mine today as well. I had to pay tax and shipping, so the total was closer to $1580 for me. Mine has signs of having been mounted on a tripod previously, but otherwise I cannot tell it's a refurb. Will check the shutter count later today :)
This is my 2nd 5D 2, after returning my 5D MK III, and selling my D800.  For the price, its a very good deal.
I checked the viewfinder dor dust - none, then a f/22 sky shot, no dust on sensor and finally a black frame.  Its a bit better than my first 5D 2, with no red hotspots at all.  If you crank up the exposure by 3-4 ev, the banding becomes visible, but for correctly exposed images, its fine.
I also put on my 40mm and snapped three or 4 shots at f/8.  Everything was in sharp focus.  i'll do some checking wide open later, to see if it can benefit from AFMA, and will do all my lenses over the next few days.
Here is a severe crop of a rose in my yard.  I pulled the exposure down 0.44 ev.  The other images were also slightly over exposed, but not clipped. That 40mm lens picks up fine detail very well.


Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5D Mark II Body Price Drop at B&H
« on: July 09, 2012, 05:34:50 PM »
My Refurb thru Canon CLP arrived 15 minutes ago.  $1407.  I put a battery in it (same as my 7D battery), and used EOS count to check the actuations.  379 shutter actuations.  The battery is dated 12/2011.  No marks or other signs its ever been used, except for the refurb packaging.
I'll be checking it out this afternoon.

Technical Support / Re: Any experts on printing?
« on: July 09, 2012, 12:28:52 PM »
Thank you, this helped!

I dont have gammut warning, as I use Aperture 3 and Photoshop Elements, but I overcame the effect by reducing the highlights in "levels" by a few percent.

Now everything works like a charm :)
Soft proofing is a feature they finally added in Lightroom 4.  It is really useful to save time and waste of trial and error printing.  You can see the out of gamut areas and make adjustments to remove them, or at least minimize them.

It's OK to rant and rave here but I just sent this to canon support maybe that will shake things up a bit:

"Dear Sirs:

With 64 bit being far superior and currently the more popular version of the Windows OS (32 bit is dying fast).  Why is there still no support for a 64 bit version of this codec?  It is 2012 going on 2013 not 2012 going on 2011.


Your Canon customer base are all waiting for 64 bit support.

Go here and see a thread in Canonrumors.com:  http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=7509.0

Please send this request to software development  -thank you.

So far, they haven't responded to years of complaining, I hope your letter tips the balance.  It just amazes me that they do not support 64 bit. 
With all the cost cutting going on, I tend to wonder if all the missed deadlines and poor 64 bit support are a way of middle management lobbying the CEO for a bigger budget.  I've been in a large corporation or two, and I know how the process goes.

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