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I’m starting this thread to tell of my recent Canon Canada (Mississauga Service Center) experience with not only two of their top-of-the-line products, but with their customer service as well. I apologize for the length, but I'm trying to provide context to the story.

EF 24-70 f/2.8 II Story

Last year around September I purchased a Canon EF 24-70 f/2.8 II. At the time it was the most expensive lens I owned. After using the lens for about a week I noticed something wasn’t quite right. Unfortunately I made the purchase at an extraordinarily busy time and didn’t have the forethought and time to immediately test the lens. My big mistake. When I eventually got around to running the lens through FoCal software to check aperture sharpness I was amazed at the wonky curve I was getting. It was behaving very much like it had a decentered element. I tried the lens on both my 5D2 and 5D3, and even had a friend come over with his 5D2. All of the test results were roughly the same. I immediately packed the lens up and sent it to Canon. Since I was not a CPS member at the time I got stuck in the 4-6 week return cue, which in my opinion is disgraceful for a company like this when both Tamron and Sigma offer far superior return-time estimates. Anyways, I waited patiently. I also took the opportunity while the lens was away to sign up for the gold CPS membership, thinking that it would be $100 well spent for a six day return around-time in the future.

I received the lens back with a note saying it was adjusted and cleaned after about four and a half weeks. I ran it through my software again. Whatever they did to it made it even worse. At this point Canon had already had the lens longer than I had and I was quite upset with the results of their work. I had even included a note with the lens and a FoCal chart to detail exactly what was wrong. I called CPS Canada and spoke with a young lady there; she couldn’t have been any less friendly or unsympathetic. She told me that if I “wanted” I could send the lens back but that “they probably won’t do anything to it because it’s within their specifications.” I told her I had done extensive testing and that there was something very wrong with the lens, to which she told me that my testing wouldn’t have been nearly as thorough as Canon’s technicians.

I was completely aghast but her lack of regard and complete dismissal of my problems. I even asked if I could speak to a technician to which she replied “Nope.”

Realizing I wasn’t getting anywhere with this lens I decided to sell it. I sold it at a massive loss, detailing to the buyer what I had experienced. Thankfully the purchaser was a good chap and said that arguing with Canon to get it right under warranty was worth it for the savings, and also he had the Platinum CPS membership for an even faster turn-around time. Unfortunately he never contacted me again to let me know if the lens got sorted out.

I had sold my trusty 24-105 to help fund this lens, and now this new lens was gone too. I still needed a lens in this focal range. I made up my mind that I would still get a 24-70 II. I went to the local camera store and purchased another one. I immediately brought it home, tested it, and found it too was giving me a wonky curve; albeit a much better curve still than the last one. I immediately returned it to the store this time. I received my second lens from the store (third over all), brought it home, tested it and found it tested really well but had that weird clicking noise while zooming in and out. Back it went to the store. Thank God for the wonderful people at the store; the manager came out carrying six unopened boxes of this lens and told me to go through them all to find one that didn’t click and that looked good. I finally found one where I couldn’t hear any apparent clicks, signed the exchange papers and went home. The lens also tested well and it’s the copy I still have to this day. Unfortunately, there is still a faint click when zooming, but it’s not that bad and I was unable hear it with all the hustle and bustle in the store at the time. I’m just living with it.


Lesson learned: Check lenses immediately after purchase and return if necessary. Canon technicians won’t help.



EOS 1D X Story

As some of you may know I purchased a 1D X recently; June 16 to be exact. The first two weeks of using the camera were absolutely amazing. This thing produces images like nothing I have ever seen before, and functions like spot-metering linked to each AF point is a God-send. The problems started almost exactly at the two mark, however. I was out shooting with a friend in the country side and I started noticing these little black specks all over the viewfinder. As the day wore on the specks started accumulating more and more around the edges and even towards the center of the frame. When I got home I immediately lowered the focusing screen and blew it off with my rocket blower. I put the screen back and all the specks were still there. I did some research online and what I found is that if the specks are visible and well defined they are either on the bottom of the pentaprism or within it (apparently Canon doesn’t seal 1D pentaprisms for whatever reason). I also found a whole slew of people who were experiencing this problem with their 1D X cameras. Many of these people reported Canon telling them that they’d either need to pay $300 for a clean or $300 + $500 for a new pentaprism. I was quite alarmed that I might have to fork out more money on an extraordinarily expensive camera to get it back to normal. I called CPS and told the lady on the phone, who this time was very pleasant, what was happening. She told me to send it in right away and she’d make a case for a new pentaprism to be installed free of charge since the camera was so new.

I sent it in and got an e-mail saying they were indeed having to replace the prism. I got the camera back within six days, as per CPS Gold standards, and turned it on, excited to have a clear viewfinder. Unfortunately there was still some debris in the finder. I also took a shot and heard a “clink” sound. I took off the lens and the focusing screen bracket had dropped. Horrified that it or the focusing screen may have hit the back element of my lens I did a quick inspection. Thank God nothing seemed to be touched. I used my focusing screen pincher tool (comes with all focusing screens purchased separately) from my 5D2 to push the bracket back into place. I then checked to see if the latch was too loose. To my dismay it wasn’t, it was too tight. Whoever pushed the bracket back into place did not push it in hard enough for it to click in, and now that I had push it in properly the little tongue/catch would not release the bracket properly. I had to manually pull the bracket down, thus causing either the focusing screen to drop down abruptly or for it to stick in place above the bracket and not come down at all.

I called CPS and immediately told them. The gentleman I spoke to said that shouldn’t happen and to send it back. Unfortunately I had a photography job on the weekend so I told him I’d have to wait until the following week. The camera still worked alright once the bracket was in place properly, and despite the dust in the viewfinder. Using the camera during the job, however, yielded even more particles entering the prism and viewfinder. How the hell does this camera have so much crap inside of it? I never change a lens when it’s windy outside or dusty. In fact I usually carry two cameras just to avoid changing lenses outside. I also mostly shoot indoor events. So what gives?

I sent the camera in as soon as I was able. I included another letter detailing the issues and explaining exactly what I wanted done. I even called CPS to make sure that the same information be added to my account. I received an e-mail from CPS once the camera arrived telling me they were graciously doing a one time cleaning of the viewfinder and that they were just replacing the focusing screen. I was so annoyed! The focusing screen was not the issue, it was the bracket, and there is a serious problem inside the camera for that much debris to be forming in the viewfinder.

I called CPS, and they told me the technicians never got my notes added to my account because the camera received a new repair number. I then had to explain again, in detail, what I wanted done to the camera. I even said replace the prism if necessary, as I have insurance that I purchased with the camera that covers cosmetic repairs. The CPS lady, who again was very pleasant (unlike the lady I spoke to over the 24-70 issue), assured me they would fix everything and to call back if I wanted to check on the repairs. I did, twice. The next time I spoke with nice lady CPS agent she said the repairs were completed and she had inspected the camera herself and everything looked good. The viewfinder was cleaned she said and did not need replacing.

I received the camera back with debris in the finder, albeit not as much. The focusing screen bracket was still stiff and not operating normally. AND the most glaring issue was a finger print right on the mirror that was completely visible when I took the body cap off.

I called CPS and they were quite apologetic for the fingerprint. I asked them why, after the CPS agent said she had inspect the camera herself, had they thought it was acceptable to send a camera back with debris in the finder and a finger print on the mirror, while at the same time not even bothering to fix the main mechanical issue I sent it in for. I got no response other than “send it back.” I told her that sending it back is a nuisance because I’m without the camera for a week and I need it for jobs occasionally. The agent told me they’d send me a loaner 1D X until the repair was completed, and that they normally don’t do that for Gold members.

After stewing on everything for about three hours after that phone conversation I got my sensor cleaning kit out with swabs and solution and gently cleaned the mirror myself. I also took some screws out above the focusing screen bracket and adjusted that myself too, bringing it back to how it once was. I called CPS and cancelled the loaner. I did the cleaning and repair in roughly ten minutes. Unfortunately I’m just going to live with debris in the viewfinder because obviously Canon won’t do anything satisfactorily for me on this issue. If it ever gets bad enough I have insurance for a new prism to be installed again.


It annoys me to no end the trouble I have had with these products. The level of service is quite laughable and upsetting when you’ve spent thousands of dollars on their products.

I’m aware debris in a viewfinder is just superficial and doesn’t affect the end product. I also get that these are tool cameras and meant to be used and that things will happen to them in the course of their lives. What I have trouble with, however, is that this is a problem that started almost immediately after purchase and continues to persist. Again, it’s not a huge issue, but it’s still annoying.

The fingerprint and focusing screen bracket issues are unacceptable from a repair standpoint. There’s no excuse in my opinion.

Lesson learned: If you buy Canon, or any product for that matter, check it thoroughly and use it as much as you can immediately after purchase. If there’s something wrong, return it. Getting satisfaction from repairs is a futile effort.

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Canon’s customer service, while greatly improved from the time I dealt with them over the 24-70, still leaves a lot to be desired. The phone agents are all friendly and willing enough to help. However, they aren’t the ones doing the repairs, and from my experience with both the lens and camera, it’s Canon’s technicians who need a lesson on how to do their jobs.


Will I switch brands? No. Where would I go? Sadly, Nikon is worse, and what other companies are out there that offer similar performing products to Canon? I also have close to $20,000 worth of Canon gear at this point…so, it’s not realistic to make a change. Like I said above, I’ll just be thoroughly checking every purchase I make in the future and I will immediately return it to the retailer if something is amiss. It’s hard for the retailer, but as a customer it’s the only safe way of truly protecting myself if I want to continue playing the game.

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EOS-M / Re: Something loose when shake EOS M?
« on: August 17, 2014, 03:00:25 AM »
If the camera is operating as it should I wouldn't worry about it. If there's one thing I've learned since my 1D X purchase it's that none of this stuff is made completely bullet proof.



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Canon General / Re: Canada Post Thefts Halt Lens Rentals Canada Service
« on: August 01, 2014, 10:25:59 PM »
Everything about Canada Post is a joke. I'm sorry this is happening, but it's no surprise considering how it run.

Every year the service gets worse; if they aren't cutting services to Canadians, their employees are stealing property.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 14, 2014, 04:30:45 PM »
So I just got the camera back.

The new pentaprism has some tiny black specks in the pentaprism too. Oh well...much better than before and I can live with this.

It's come back with a slight problem, however. When I try dropping the focusing screen down it sticks. It drops down about 2-4 millimetres and stops. I have the use the screen removal tool to pull it down and then it releases dropping the focusing screen.


Think this is an issue worth sending it back over?


EDIT:

The camera keeps getting dust on the bottom of the focusing screen now. Not a big deal as I just remove the battery, remove the focusing screen and blow it off. While the focusing screen not dropping down freely is a bit annoying, it doesn't particularly bother me. Probably the technician tightened something a bit more than normal. Either way it's not really interfering with the removal of the screen other than just having to use the tool to slightly move the bracket down a bit more before it drops down on its own.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Searching for a lightroom 5 deal...
« on: July 13, 2014, 10:57:42 PM »
Their website does not seem to offer the option of downloading a "standalone" version anymore and I don't know what is feasible but, assuming you owned the copy of LR5 that was working on your old PC and had the install disks, you should be able to put it on the new machine.  What is frustrating is that you cannot "deactivate" the old version to activate the same product on a new machine, however.  Same thing happened to me when my old PC decided to give up the ghost and my restore from backup would not install LR.  Spend some quality time with Adobe support.  It is a bit of a hassle, but they can helped me activate it on my new machine through their workaround.

Now if you do not have the install disks, do a "search" on adobe.com.  It takes a bit of looking, but you can find an LR 5.4 download that they say will install on a machine without any previous additions of Lightroom installed.  Then, it is all about activation (see above).

The standalone version is still available, it's just bloody hard to find on their website. They are really trying to push people into CC, which is complete BS in my opinion.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 11, 2014, 12:55:42 PM »
I just called CPS Canada to find out what repairs they were doing. The repairs are apparently finished and they are shipping it back to me today, so it will be here Monday.

The CPS lady told me they replaced the pentaprism and eye piece, and cleaned both the mirror and sensor. All done under warranty.

Looking forward to having the camera back.

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Site Information / Re: 1dx users now 300L IS II?
« on: July 09, 2014, 11:30:27 AM »
Neuro is still ranked as CR Geek.
 
The ranking is related to the pricing of products. So next after 1DX is 300mm f/2.8.
Priceless?
Yes, I would think so. A lot of great advice and input from Neuro

agree. trolls love him


Anyone with more knowledge than most attracts would-be know-it-all competitors.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 08, 2014, 11:43:53 PM »
Hi R1.
That's good news, I guess they must think it is excessive or somewhere it really shouldn't have been able to get. Or a goodwill gesture.

Cheers Graham.

Canon Canada received the camera this morning and are going to do the clean/repair free of charge. Gotta love the CPS membership.

Thanks Valve. Yeah, maybe all of the above? Either way I'm happy they are doing it. I will report back on the repair once the camera gets back into my hands.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 08, 2014, 12:24:45 PM »
Canon Canada received the camera this morning and are going to do the clean/repair free of charge. Gotta love the CPS membership.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 07, 2014, 03:33:56 PM »
Well, I sent the camera off to CPS Canada. Hopefully it doesn't take them too long! Since I'm a gold member the turnaround time is approximately six days. I also expect to get a $250 bill out of this.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 06, 2014, 07:41:35 PM »
By any chance can you get far enough (without difficulty) to allow you to hit the thing with compressed air and blow out the crud?

I possibly could do that...but I'd be scared it would make the situation worse. Plus, compressed air can shoot out liquid and if I got that on the SI plate I'm really hooped.


I've been doing some reading on this issue and apparently it's quite common. My biggest concern is if Canon decided that I need a new pentaprism; I'm not 100% sure I trust the technicians doing the work and they could misalign the viewfinder somehow.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 06, 2014, 07:07:23 PM »
So I managed to somehow get even more black dust/spots in there. I've decided tomorrow morning I'm sending the camera off to CPS in Toronto. It's kind of an inconvenience, but since the camera is so new I'd rather do it now than wait.

Since the camera was bought June 16, I'm hoping they cover the cost of cleaning. If not, oh well...at least it will be clean.


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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 05, 2014, 03:34:38 PM »
Dust specs in the viewfinder can be annoying, so far, I've only had to remove them once.

Were you able to remove them yourself or did you send it in to Canon?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 03, 2014, 07:00:34 PM »
I had a speck like that, it worked it's way out after a few weeks.

Thank you for the response, Neuro. Perhaps it's just a natural occurrence then?

I'll try to tell the little voice in the back of my mind to shut up and ignore it. Hopefully mine will work their way out too over a few weeks of usage.

Honestly, dust specs on a DSLR screen are normal. If you haven't any now you will have eventually, it's inevitable. Just ignore it, or you may start noticing the 'floaters' in your eyes too !  ;)

I'm doing my best to so far!

One quick question: since the dust is on the focus screen or super imposed display, is there the potential for the dust to ever effect the autofocusing of the camera?

Dust on the focusing screen: no. The AF marks are just to show you where the AF is, they are not connected to the AF in any way. Dust on the AF sensor sat in the bottom of the mirror box; another thing. Many people seem not to want to accept this, but dust / dirt here can make AF malfunction,  normally only one effected point at a time though. So if ever one of our AF points appears to lose accuracy or stop working give the mirror box ( with mirror up) a good vac and blow job.

Thanks again for the response! All really great information. I counted around 30 dust specks that must have gone before the SI plate, about four of which are really noticeable. Seems like using the camera earlier today hoped it collect some more specks. July is a pretty insane month photography wise for me, so maybe in August I'll send it in. I've decided it does need to be cleaned, it's just finding the opportune time.


Interesting choice of words haha.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 1DX dust behind superimposed screen
« on: July 03, 2014, 05:28:47 PM »
I had a speck like that, it worked it's way out after a few weeks.

Thank you for the response, Neuro. Perhaps it's just a natural occurrence then?

I'll try to tell the little voice in the back of my mind to shut up and ignore it. Hopefully mine will work their way out too over a few weeks of usage.

Honestly, dust specs on a DSLR screen are normal. If you haven't any now you will have eventually, it's inevitable. Just ignore it, or you may start noticing the 'floaters' in your eyes too !  ;)

I'm doing my best to so far!

One quick question: since the dust is on the focus screen or super imposed display, is there the potential for the dust to ever effect the autofocusing of the camera?

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