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EOS Bodies / Re: LR4.1 RC to blame. Check this out!

« on: May 01, 2012, 06:02:06 PM »

Err... is this the same camera we know and love

If it turns out that LR is the problem with DR in the 5d3 (and Canons before it?) then we need to throw our weight on Adobe to find out what the problem is. I know for sure there's NO WAY I could push anywhere near that amount out of the shadows on the 5d2. I now wonder if it's LR or the cameras!?

(and I've always loved LR so much   )

+1! I certainly hope that this hasn't been a problem with earlier Canon's and that they will do a very thourough fix with the acr supporting 5d3. I can't ever start to use DPP, it's like wiping your a$$ with the other hand suddenly...

You might want to download the Capture One demo...

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EOS Bodies / Re: LR4.1 RC to blame. Check this out!

« on: May 01, 2012, 06:00:33 PM »

Err... is this the same camera we know and love

If it turns out that LR is the problem with DR in the 5d3 (and Canons before it?) then we need to throw our weight on Adobe to find out what the problem is. I know for sure there's NO WAY I could push anywhere near that amount out of the shadows on the 5d2. I now wonder if it's LR or the cameras!?

(and I've always loved LR so much   )

I get very pleasing results pushing shadows using Capture One 6. I saw that stuff on the FM site and as a result tested and I don't get all that trash in the shadows with 5D2 and Capture One 6. I also did shadow recovery on a very problematic shot from a 60D and no problems with it either.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda

« on: May 01, 2012, 05:54:07 PM »

From that review, it is this page:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

That is most interesting. Why?

Because about half way down, they take the same shot from the D800/5D3 and 100% crop of the shadows.

The image from the Canon sensor is as noisy as all hell (splotchy? banded?) whereas the Nikon one is noise free. That tells me that Canon still haven't fixed the noise issues that were integral with the 5D2.

All that post did was make me go test my lowly 5D2 the same way, push shadows the same degree, and conclude one of two things:

Either Lightroom totally blows chunks,

OR

FM is not a site I will be visiting again due to lack of credibility.

Sorry, but recovering shadows with Capture One 6 gave me very pleasing results with 5D2 with none of the artifacts I see on the FM post. The D800 is better than what I get from my 5D2, but the difference is nothing even remotely like what is posted on that site.

Amen,

Let me blow your mind a little. Converted using DPP and pushed in CS5.5



AND......




obviously these could not have been taken by a 5D3.............

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattbicephotography/ here is my photostream so you can go look at the pictures at full size. I think LR4.1 RC certainly works better with Nikon.

LOL, so the 5D3 totally sucks at DR and has nothing but noise and banding in the shadows.

Well at least according to FM and every parrot on the internet.

And all you have to do to "unlock" that nasty "feature" is use Adobe Lightroom.

Plus with LR your 5D3 files get the bonus feature of that soft look.

...glad i don't own that POS (LR that is).

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d3 not soft anymore?

« on: May 01, 2012, 02:05:26 PM »

I'm really starting to believe LR blows chunks. Here we have soft images clearly due to LR and in the other thread we have abysmal shadow recovery for 5D3 at the FM site yet I recover similar shadows in 5D2 shots using Capture One 6 and see none of the artifacts and get very pleasing results.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Evolution towards video - away from stills?

« on: May 01, 2012, 02:00:19 PM »

So, I still don't see your substantially better...

How about now?

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/795%7C0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/792%7C0/(brand2)/Nikon/(appareil3)/767%7C0/(brand3)/Nikon

I've added the D4 for perspective...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Evolution towards video - away from stills?

« on: May 01, 2012, 01:29:33 PM »

Not sure if this link works, but if you compare the 5D III and the D800 there is a huge gap at low ISO (in favor of D800) in almost all measurements. However, I don't see the significant advantage of 5D III over D800 with high ISO - it is slightly better, but it's not a significant difference. Could you please let me know on which measurement the 5D III really beats the D800?

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/795%7C0/(brand)/Canon/(appareil2)/792%7C0/(brand2)/Nikon

And yes, as a high ISO camera the 5D III is probably better, but as an overall camera the 5D III can't hold a candle to D800 (at least from a scientific measurement standpoint).

Sure, go to your link and then click the "Measurements" tabs and look at the five different charts of raw data.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D MK3 vs. D800 - fredmiranda

« on: May 01, 2012, 01:17:56 PM »

From that review, it is this page:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/5DIII-D800/index_controlled-tests.html

That is most interesting. Why?

Because about half way down, they take the same shot from the D800/5D3 and 100% crop of the shadows.

The image from the Canon sensor is as noisy as all hell (splotchy? banded?) whereas the Nikon one is noise free. That tells me that Canon still haven't fixed the noise issues that were integral with the 5D2.

All that post did was make me go test my lowly 5D2 the same way, push shadows the same degree, and conclude one of two things:

Either Lightroom totally blows chunks,

OR

FM is not a site I will be visiting again due to lack of credibility.

Sorry, but recovering shadows with Capture One 6 gave me very pleasing results with 5D2 with none of the artifacts I see on the FM post. The D800 is better than what I get from my 5D2, but the difference is nothing even remotely like what is posted on that site.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Evolution towards video - away from stills?

« on: May 01, 2012, 01:00:27 PM »

Sony seems to be about one generation ahead with their sensors for stills

I disagree. Have you not seen the DxO charts that show 5D3 substantially better than D800 at pretty much everything greater than ISO 2400 (or lower for some stats)?

If you want the best high ISO camera at this price tier, 5D3 is a no-brainer. It's as much better at high ISO as D800 is better at low ISO.

So how can you argue Canon is a generation behind in sensor technology?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Light leak on 5D3 IS a big issue, and should embarrass Canon

« on: April 27, 2012, 06:24:10 PM »

I think it's a red herring.   

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom VS Photoshop

« on: April 27, 2012, 03:56:41 PM »

At the price of Lightroom and all the capability it has there is no real need for photoshop unless you shoot professionally in which case you spend the vast amounts of cash on the programs that get you the results. If i put a value on how much i use photoshop it would be 5% of my work.
Photoshop $699
Lightroom $149
Easy decision...

Just get Elements for the 5% pixel manufacturing. It's surprisingly capable if you don't need to do volumes of work. The things that allow you to do volumes of work efficiently are conspicuously missing, but that's a fair trade for the low price.

Similar situation with Capture One Elements if you want a RAW editor and don't need tools to do high volume workflow. They took the Pro version and disabled several key tools related to fast workflow, but otherwise the same product.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Best strategy for processing MK lll RAW files ?

« on: April 27, 2012, 03:39:31 PM »

Capture One Pro...Windows or Mac.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Light leak on 5D3 IS a big issue, and should embarrass Canon

« on: April 27, 2012, 03:24:43 PM »

"tarnished the reputation of a fine camera"

reputation of a CAMERA? what's with you people??

I do believe this was in reference to second-hand value, potentially reduced over a big fuss about a problem that is not symptomatic within the specifications of the device and has been evident on other models unnoticed for years.

Absolutely right - the 5D3 will now be tarnished as 'faulty', when in fact it is within specifications just that in an obscure situation the metering is slightly out (than could easily corrected in pp)

I'll offer $2500 to anyone for their 'faulty' 5D3.

Any sellers?

I didn't think so.

So much for the devaluation argument...

That is because they sent them back to Canon .....

The offer still stands when they get them back, since they will be forever devalued and all.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Light leak on 5D3 IS a big issue, and should embarrass Canon

« on: April 27, 2012, 03:18:15 PM »

"tarnished the reputation of a fine camera"

reputation of a CAMERA? what's with you people??

I do believe this was in reference to second-hand value, potentially reduced over a big fuss about a problem that is not symptomatic within the specifications of the device and has been evident on other models unnoticed for years.

Absolutely right - the 5D3 will now be tarnished as 'faulty', when in fact it is within specifications just that in an obscure situation the metering is slightly out (than could easily corrected in pp)

I'll offer $2500 to anyone for their 'faulty' 5D3.

Any sellers?

I didn't think so.

So much for the devaluation argument...

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Lenses / Re: Pre-Order on the new Tamron 24-70mm F/2.8 Di VC USD?

« on: April 26, 2012, 09:28:20 PM »

I'm may be interested in one if a few reputable reviews are favorable, but I'm not interested enough to buy one and hope for the best. The AF has to be better than what they've offered up to now for me to buy it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Light leak on 5D3 IS a big issue, and should embarrass Canon

« on: April 26, 2012, 09:23:20 PM »

At this week, Canon has provided workaround for reparation. However, they roughly announced serial number of flawed product at the same time. Obviously, Canon has no consideration of first users. Also, it indirectly hit and hurt first users again. it caused that first user will lose good price of 5D3 at 2nd hand market in the future once they would like to sell. Becuase all buyers know serial number is a flaw ones... Even if it has been repaired... buyer also are concern about disassembled body. Canon should handle this affair more carefully. Because most of first users are loyal and believe Canon's product. Unquestionably, Canon will lose goodwill if no good repairation for first users. 

Man, I hope you never buy a new car the first year it comes out...