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Lighting / Bounce flash with YN-568 question
« on: March 03, 2013, 11:58:04 AM »
I just got in a YN-568 ETTL II flash. This is my first experience with an ETTL flash - used manual to this point.

I tried using it to bounce flash and it severely underexposes. My understanding of ETTL II is that exposure is set via a pre-flash and should account for bounce, or any other modifier, when setting power level.

Searching the net showed a number of people supporting my inderstanding of how it supposedly works, but also a number of people who express the same issue I have, even with 580EX II.

So not sure what to think at this point. Should ETTL II bounce flash properly expose or should I need to dial in +3 (or so, which makes the exposure close to right) on the flash first to make it work? If the latter, ETTL seems rather pointless to me except for direct flash, which seems to work, but has a pitiful asthetic.

Any thoughts?

5D3 support was added in Capture One v6. The current version of CO is 7. I don't know if there is a way to add camera support to older versions, you might ask on their forum.

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
« on: February 26, 2013, 04:01:08 PM »
I'll post more later this week...

Interesting. I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

Got the lens back, Canon claims they could not duplicate what I illustrated on the screen capture video when they (supposedly) tried it themselves. Funny, it still does it here just like it did before... And they go on to say "it performs as it should". So this one is outta here and all I can say is my experience with Sigma repair was light years better than my experience with Canon...

The bozos at Canon repair can't even do their customer survey right. They email it before I even get the lens back and now that I have the lens, the survey link is expired. But then, maybe they have a reason for doing it that way and they don't want their bosses to know the truth what a customer thinks about them?

Never again do I send them something out of warranty. They just take your money and give it back the same condition you sent it in. Which is sad, it is a great lens when it works.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 candle light High ISO (102400)
« on: February 26, 2013, 11:25:16 AM »
Here's the low light cat pic processed with Capture One Pro v7. Basically nothing but NR, local contrast, vignette and RGB curve. I used Stephen Melvin's nice render as an asthetic template and just messed with it (i.e. the original RAW) in CO to see if it could do the same thing...

Skitron, CaptureOne also does well... Do I see a thin veil of green snow in dark parts not seen in the LR versions some of us posted? look at the middle of the frame on and above the dark torso.

Obviously user setting could result in different rendering...but it may also be the nuances of different programs.

Yes, I see a bit of green in the CO and a bit stronger blue in the LR. I'm sure one could mess with them to make them identical, but my exercise was first to see if CO would do what Stephen did in LR, and the answer for me is yes. Then the exercise for me turned to learning to embrace the chiaroscuro, and I learned alot about that from your nice shot and Stephen's nice render. So thanks to both of you for the inadvertent lesson for me!

[edit] And I'm pleased as can be to know that I can shoot at this ridiculous ISO setting and there are at least two editors, probably more, that can deal with it to at least some useful degree. Pretty amazing tech.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 candle light High ISO (102400)
« on: February 25, 2013, 11:20:50 PM »
Here's the low light cat pic processed with Capture One Pro v7. Basically nothing but NR, local contrast, vignette and RGB curve. I used Stephen Melvin's nice render as an asthetic template and just messed with it (i.e. the original RAW) in CO to see if it could do the same thing...

[edit] BTW - Duplicating Stephen's chosen asthetic in CO was a nice exercise in terms of learning to embrace the chiaroscuro. If you're a chiaroscuro newb like me, I can say it's worth d/l'ing the RAW and playing with it in your editor...some nice lessons learned for future reference by playing with it. Also, nice shot by Ray2021 to learn the lesson with.

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
« on: February 24, 2013, 10:26:23 PM »
P.S. - It is almost like a I need a second AFMA for medium range.

I've had fits with mine. The symptoms are you think you have AFMA set and you cannot get consistently sharp shots as telephoto. In fact they're rarely sharp and usually just enough off to be not quite right, with no zone of sharp focus (i.e. not a case where it just back or front focused). But interestingly it is not as much a problem using it as a macro. And when a tele shot works right, it has amazing IQ.

I finally isolated a 100% repeatable and quantifiable issue in testing. How I tested was setup tripod and test target, tether to EOS Utility, magnify 200% in EOS Utility. Then increment the focus single steps via the ">" and "<" buttons.

What I saw with my copy was that when changing the direction of focus (i.e. several ">" clicks and then a single "<" click or visa versa) the focus would change what looks like about 20 single clicks worth of going only a single direction. And not only that, the image would actually shift in the viewer frame. So something in the mechanical focus mechanism has some slop/play in it.

BTW, IS on/off doesn't make any difference in my case and I tested a friend's copy the same way and it did not exhibit this issue.

I sent it to Canon and paid over $200 and it came back the same way. I complained to them and did a video screen grab of the EOS Utility session and sent it back to them again. It should be here Tuesday and this time they took alot longer, so hopefully fixed this time.

I'll post more later this week...

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II USM
« on: February 20, 2013, 08:04:48 PM »
I appreciate its quite a bit cheaper but does this lens do anything the 70-200 2.8 ii IS can't do?

IMO, not really except for handling. I could split hairs and say my prime has ever so slightly better color and bokeh and the zoom is ever so slightly sharper, but for real pictures its kinda pointless.

I ended up with both because I didn't have anything long and in my indecisiveness did a low ball bid on the prime on eBay and actually won, and it even it turned out to be mint. But my primary use case for this length is seated theater and kids sports, so the zoom and IS were too attractive to pass up when the 70-200 IS2 dropped right under $2K at B&H...

But so far, I'm keeping the prime just because its small, light and black and every bit as good as the 70-200 IS2 long end, even arguably a half a hair better. Plus it's still small, light and mostly black with the 1.4x TC3 making it an outstanding "covert" f/4 280mm...and a small black lens and monopod is less attention-getting than a great white even without the monopod...

Lenses / Re: Photozone has released their review of the Sigma 35 1.4...
« on: February 18, 2013, 08:58:58 PM »
LOL, I will surely spring for one of these when I finally get sick and tired of my Rokinon (aka Samyang) being a manual lens. It's a great lens but this is the 21st century after all, and AF is hard to do without when we don't have split prism focus screens for 5D3. Plus the Sigma is even better anyway...

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Black AF points...NOTHING + Spot-meter?
« on: February 17, 2013, 10:34:37 PM »
I have no idea what market the D800 is targeting, since none of Nikon's lenses can even maximally use the 36 MP sensor.

The 5DII trounced the D700 in sales.  Nikon assumed it was due to 21 MP vs. 12 MP.  So, Nikon skated to where the puck used to be, and developed the 36 MP D800.  Canon listened to Wayne and skated to where the puck was going - they developed the 5DIII, which seems to be trouncing the D800 in sales.

So in other words, Canon actually does deliver on what most photographers want?  Wow!

Seems so. I remember about a years worth of "what do you want to see in the new 5D3?" posts right here and the vast majority stated "don't increase the pixel count just fix the *&^%* autofocus" and next was "less moire in the video". Mission accomplished...had the 5D2 and like the 5D3 much better largely for these two things, though there are plenty others as well.

I'm sure a D800 is a fine camera for full daylight shooting with the extra DR at ISO 100, but there is this thing call "indoors" and another thing called "dusk" and another called "night"...lol.

Lenses / Re: What's the best deal you've ever gotten on a lens?
« on: February 17, 2013, 08:50:05 PM »
Best new purchase was a 24-105 for $500. Collaborated to buy a 5D3 kit with someone who already had a 24-105 and got the lens for kit price minus body-only price difference.

Best used deal was a mint 200L f2.8 for $460 with a decent quality UV filter.

Funny that neither were really lenses I was planning on but were just deals that came along.

That said, I'm convinced at this point I could have been a pretty happy camper for not very much money at all with nothing more than the 24-105L, 50 Sigma and 200L f/2.8...and maybe also toss in the 1.4x TC3.

Lenses / Re: Promaster UV filter quality or lack of it.
« on: February 15, 2013, 05:23:57 PM »
Same story here...when I first started in DSLR I tried a Best-Buy house brand UV filter on a 28-135 and it was very noticable degredation. Bit the bullet for B+W mrc after researching and asking around and LOL, it turns out everybody was right.

I tried a Hoya Digital Pro that came with a used lens I bought and its pretty good. I thought it was garbage at first, but after inspecting it and thinking it didn't need to be cleaned, I cleaned it anyway and then it was fine. Apparently something about its coating can aggregate a not so visible residue over time that really softens the image.

Thank you all for the many helpful replies.

I'm going to upgrade from a 550D to a 5DIII (6D probably wouldn't do it) and need a standard zoom.

If you are about to buy a 5D3 body, why not do the kit and get the 24-105 for a measly $500 extra and see if you like it? You can eBay it all day long for $750 if you decide it isn't for you.

I bought a 5D3 body only and passed on the kit and was kicking myself in the head for passing. Fortunately I got a re-do when a family member wanted a new 5D3 body and already had a 24-105. So we "collaborated" on a kit and I got the 24-105 for the kit price. And I gotta say, it's a cool little zoom. Not going to replace primes, but funny how little compulsion I have to upgrade to a $2K zoom with less reach and no IS once this one is in hand for not much $.

Food for thought.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D III Dynamic Range
« on: February 14, 2013, 03:00:01 PM »
Below is the link to show you the good way:
HDR Ep 115: Take & Make Great Photography with Gavin Hoey: Adorama Photography TV
+1 This is a great little tutorial and the most relevant contribution to this thread. I've bookmarked it. Thanks.


+1 here too

Thanks for posting that link ishdakuteb, very informative...4th post in the thread no less. Any popcorn left?

Too bad for me I actually only viewed this thread today and went thru it from most recent to oldest...

EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 10, 2013, 09:14:34 PM »
I also strongly agree that you should get the 24-105 + 6D Kit.  It's a great deal.  You won't regret it, but you might regret later when you want the 24-105 for $200+ more price.  And you will, trust me.


I bought my 5D3 body only and was kicking myself in the head for passing up the 24-105 for an additional $500...

But luckily got a "redo" when a family member wanted a 5D3 body and already had the 24-105. So we "collaborated" to buy the kit, and family member took body and I the lens.

EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 10, 2013, 09:08:45 PM »
I had a 6D for a week and sent it back for a 5D3 because I wanted the AF (and my 6D was apparently a dud). That said, if you're hung up on the price of the 5D3 I'd say get the 6D with the 24-105L as a kit. It's a good deal since you end up paying about $500 for the lens and can eBay it all day long for $750. But it's a decent little zoom, so why not get it and keep it for that price?

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