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EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2014, 12:03:05 PM »

1920*3=5760 which is exactly what 5D3 got.

That would be a 2:1 aspect ratio, not much love here. And It would require odd blending/skipping patterns to capture standard video. Not much love either.

The first fitting, in tradition of the 5760px of the 5D3, resolution would be 1920*2*2 - to get full RGB for 4k-video and 39.3MP stills. going for the slightly larger 4096 flavor would net you 44.7MP. Current OTS cores can handle that resolution up to about 30fps; in a dual config. that should work even with continuous AF. no line skipping also implies less moire and less noise at higher ISOs. Dual photodiodes allow for higher low ISO DR. Who could argue against such a machine?

Yes, 39.3MP would be nice for 3840*2 and 1920*2*2 (or 1920*2 crop mode). I just have this feeling, that Canon wants to bring something exclusive to the market. Something the competition can't match any time soon.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2014, 05:16:07 AM »
I would expect a 44.2MP 4K FF sensor (11520x7680)

Curious - how did you get that sensor size?

Isn't 4k twice 1080 which is 1920 x 1080 so twice would be 3820 x 2160?

I'm sorry, it is 88.4MP, my mistake :).
1920*3=5760 which is exactly what 5D3 got.

EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2014, 05:10:58 AM »
I would expect a 44.2MP 4K FF sensor (11520x7680)
Can't you even multiply ?  :o

11520x7680 = 88473600 = 88.4MP

Yes, it's 88.4, thank you. It was ~03:00 in the morning when I was typing that :).

EOS Bodies / Re: New Full Frame Camera in 2014? [CR1]
« on: March 26, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »
I would expect a 88.4MP 4K FF sensor (11520x7680)

Animal Kingdom / Re: Portrait of your "Best friend"
« on: March 21, 2014, 03:38:34 PM »
This thread is furrtastic  :D

Animal Kingdom / Re: Portrait of your "Best friend"
« on: March 21, 2014, 06:34:18 AM »
6D + EF 40mm f/2.8 STM + 430EXII

IMG_3594 by ecka84, on Flickr

A hypothetical Samyang 50mm F1.2 with autofocus that works well, good sharpness and contrast at F1.2, and costing less than $1000 is a dream. In fact, I'd be happy with a 50mm F1.4 that is so good with Zeiss Otus, but costing only $500. :P

I'll get it even if it only has an AF confirmation chip if it'll be as good as the Zeiss otus but $500 or less.

I think that AF confirmation chip would be too little (it'a DIY thing) and autofocus is a bit too much to expect (for the price).
How about electronic aperture?

EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 11, 2014, 06:20:55 PM »
"because there are no small CSC tele lenses without huge compromises in IQ"

I would dispute that claim Olympus & Fuji both make very good and high IQ lenses for CSC cameras. Lenses like the Olympus 12mm f2 ED, 60mm f2.8 ED, 75mm f1.8 ED, Leica 45mm f2.8 in micro four thirds or the Fuji XF 27mm f2.8 all perform excellently.
The lenses you mentioned are not really "tele" lenses

Well, not the 12mm, but taking that crop factor into account, current primes get you to the equivalent of 150mm (I would add the 45mm Olympus to the list), with very high image quality.  As for Micro 4/3 zooms, they tend to compare quite favorably with their dslr equivalents and are, of course, much smaller and lighter.

Well, for me, the cheaper m4/3 output is not good enough to choose it over a good P&S camera or two, or three (G1 X, RX100, RX10) and the expensive one just makes no sense.
150mm on FF is a short telephoto, nothing powerful really :), just like anything else in 100mm to 200mm range. So, for m4/3 it must be 100mm+.

EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 11, 2014, 12:42:46 PM »
dead end is a generous description.  this system was still born - Canon shoved it out the door ...  Now you're in
a "pasting feathers on a turkey" mode and you might be better off kissing it off and starting from scratch.

The EOS M was the second best-selling MILC in Japan last year.  One country's meat is another one's spoiled turkey...   ;)

I just wonder how many Japanese buyers buy it with only one lens and will never even put another lens on it. Of course, as I recall, the average number of lenses owned by Canon DSLR buyers is less than two.

There are many people who would buy it without any EF-M lenses. They only care about adapters for lenses they already have, like Canon EF. That makes a lot of sense for telephoto, because there are no small CSC tele lenses without huge compromises in IQ. EF-S 55-250mm IS STM can be considered "near native" lens for EOS-M (via the adapter) - fast AF, nice optics, stabilized, compact (for 88-400mm equivalent :) ) and affordable. Many are using old manual lenses and they love it.

EOS Bodies / Re: Full Frame Vs Crop Sensor
« on: March 04, 2014, 06:54:56 PM »
So the only important bit is to educate people on the apparently simple concept of magnification.

At the very essence of all this is:

1. How big is the object as you now see it in relation to how big it is in real life.
2. How big was the aperture opening.

The first allows for everything involved in the reproduction; focal length, distance to object, coc, sensor size, crop, print or screen size, and viewing distance. Each of those affects the magnification. Plugging these values into a dof calculator just allows it to calculate the magnification taking the print or screen size and viewing distance as standards for a set CoC, some calculators actually allow you to change the CoC and magically your DOF changes,  even though the image is already taken.

The second dictates the amount of blur in relation to the magnification.

Hyperfocal is a side issue with no merit, stuff falling within the hyperfocal is still not as sharp as the plane of focus. magnify it the same and it is just as blurred (try it with the images on the LL link, I did for a thread a long time ago). Indeed lenses marked hyperfocal scales are historically at least one stop wider than accepted norm CoC figures because they used a different value to calculate them. But the important bit is that hyperfocal is just another manifestation of magnification, it isn't sharp, it is just small enough to give the illusion of sharp.

It is all about the illusion of sharp. The actual plane of focus is always at it's thinest, which is the diffraction limit of a lens. However, when the CoC becomes as small as a single pixel of your camera sensor, it is perfectly sharp from that point and smaller. That's how you gain the depth (of field ;) ). You will cross the line when it is impossible to magnify it enough, because the resolution is too low.

EOS Bodies / Re: Full Frame Vs Crop Sensor
« on: March 04, 2014, 02:28:05 PM »
It is just magnification and aperture, once you accept that, however convoluted the route to getting there, then it is easier on the mind.

Start to think magnification and aperture and all the inconsistencies and complications fall away.

Well, there are other things involved in "magnification" which are not taken into account by most people who are trying to learn how things actually work, so it may be an oversimplification. This rule may not work that well when shooting something farther away, because UWA lenses would go hyperfocal, while the tele lens would still produce some blur in the background (due to stronger magnification) and that's the rare situation when the CoC thing becomes important before you actually take a picture. You have to take the convoluted route first, and then, if you survive :), you can calculate using the magnification and aperture, because you'll know the exceptions.

EOS Bodies / Re: Full Frame Vs Crop Sensor
« on: March 04, 2014, 06:16:28 AM »

A lot of people seem to have difficulty grasping this concept. Including some who think they know better in this thread.  ;D   Its shown quite well in this article.


Note that no where in the luminous landscape article did the guy refer to subject isolation.
DOF and subject isolation (or background blur - or do you mean something else?) are not necessarily the same.
Taking pictures with a short focal length and short subject distance vs with a long focal length and longer subject distance (for the same framing, using the same camera and aperture) results in the same dof, but the latter will give you a much blurrier background.

How about - "For the same magnification of the area in focus (different lenses, different distances), longer focal length at the same aperture will give you same DoF and more background magnification".

EOS Bodies / Re: Full Frame Vs Crop Sensor
« on: March 04, 2014, 05:47:25 AM »
"Wide open" vs "wide open" is pointless.

I see your point, but I beg to differ concerning the conclusion: If you want the thinnest dof (or fastest speed) with any lens/camera combination you'll use "wide open" a lot in reality, so it's perfectly valid to look at this performance no matter the synthetic equivalence.

Look? - yes. Compare? - no. If you want the thinnest dof, then you should get a FF camera in the first place. The fact that 10-22 can't do f/1.8 (which is the FF equivalent for f/2.8 ) doesn't justify your logic. There is no f/1.8 UWA for APSC (for now, maybe the mighty Sigma will make one later :) ) and that's another reason to go FF.

EOS-M / Re: Is the canon eos-m a dead end system?
« on: March 03, 2014, 02:02:00 PM »
Sony needs to release uwa asap for a7 system. ...otherwise, it could be "dead end" as eos-m.

FE 16-35/4.0 zeiss/sony is next up for 2014 according to the roadmap.
Current 24-70 f4 size is kinda big for this system. They need to release compact prime at f4.

Yeah, for an UWA 14mm (or even 20mm) f/4 would be nice, but for 85mm ... wee..ell :-\ I think f/2 is small enough for me ... I could live with that :).

EOS Bodies / Re: Full Frame Vs Crop Sensor
« on: March 03, 2014, 10:35:44 AM »
16-35mm f/2.8 L II on a 5D3 Vs 10-22mm on a 70D, which theoretically would give the better image?

The often criticized "problem" of current Canon ff lenses is the lack of corner performance esp. wide open (if you care about that). Ignoring that, the ff sensor can always generate higher res yadayadayada (see posts above), this is visible in the iso crop.

Another potential fact to keep in mind is that you can buy nearly 3x 70d+10-22 for 1x 5d3+16-35 :->


For fair comparison it should be 16-35L@16/5.6 vs 10-22@10/3.5, or at least choose the best performing aperture number from each lens. "Wide open" vs "wide open" is pointless.

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