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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 16, 2012, 04:05:58 PM »


11 point AF?  ???
Seems to be not much different from 9.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« on: September 16, 2012, 03:24:06 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

Currently, the only reason to buy a 7D over a 60D or 5D2 is for the speed, AF, etc. for sports shooting... and those benefits will still exist over this alleged 6D.   So (as I said above) I see it the other way around... who will buy the 6D over a 5D3 or 7D?   Yes of course some will buy it... if you don't shoot sports, and don't need the advanced features of a 5D3, and understand the IQ advantage of FF over a crop (eg. 60/650D)... then this 6D is perfect... but how many consumers fit into that category?  You do, and so do many people on this site.... but that is a small slice of the market Canon needs to hit to make decent sales volume.

Sorry, I see no logic in that. I think there are many more not-so-rich enthusiast photographers (like me, perhaps :) ) than sport/action PROs. I did buy 7D a few years ago, but not for the fps or a bit better sensor (going from 500D). I couldn't afford 5D2 back then and I liked 7D AF system, rugged body, CF slot (I was going to upgrade to 5D series anyway, so I didn't want to waste $ on SD for 60D), AFMA (for my 2 Sigmas), wireless flash control, good battery, ergonomics ... and I still think that 7D is one of the best Canon DSLR in history.
IMHO, most of us would buy 6D for less than $2000 over 5D3 or 7D2. 4.5fps is not that slow ;)

Right, I agree... there is a market (e.g. you and people like you) but I'm questioning the size of that market.  I didn't suggest there are more sports shooters than non-sports shooters.   And we don't need to consider "rich people" because they are a narrow slice of any market as well (depending how you define rich but perhaps we can agree there are few people with so much money that they wank into a store and say give me the most expensive camera you have).   $2k is no small potatoes for a body so the purchaser typically has a reason to plunk down that kind of cash... so what is the reason in the case of a 6D?

Assume any 1-series body are out of the question due to price and price is an issue... and consider the choices you face:

6D vs 5D3:  5D3 is $1400 more but if you need the features of the "pro features" of the 5D3 then 6D is not even in your sights

6D vs. 7D:  If you are into sports, wildlife, etc. 7D is the better choice for a few reasons (debatable of course)

6D vs. 60/650D:  Price difference is $1200 bucks for same features other than sensor size and most consumers out there are not acutely aware of the IQ benefits of the FF sensor.

So, the typical purchaser of a 6D would be someone who does not need the pro features of a 5D3, does not shoot much sports/wildlife, and is aware of the IQ advantage of FF and willing to pay extra $1200 for it (not to mention the investment in lenses to realize that IQ advantage).

Sure, many of the folks on say Canon Rumors are excited to get a FF camera for $2k or less... but that is a relatively small market.   Most of the world doesn't know what FF is and the sales guy in Best Buy isn't going to have much luck upselling from a 650D to a 6D because "it has a FF sensor".

Actually, I know many photographers who are using 5D2 for sports, wildlife, photojournalism and they'd never touch a crop camera like 7D, purely because of the IQ difference, but they would appreciate a smaller, lighter and cheaper body with better AF system.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« on: September 16, 2012, 02:38:09 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

Currently, the only reason to buy a 7D over a 60D or 5D2 is for the speed, AF, etc. for sports shooting... and those benefits will still exist over this alleged 6D.   So (as I said above) I see it the other way around... who will buy the 6D over a 5D3 or 7D?   Yes of course some will buy it... if you don't shoot sports, and don't need the advanced features of a 5D3, and understand the IQ advantage of FF over a crop (eg. 60/650D)... then this 6D is perfect... but how many consumers fit into that category?  You do, and so do many people on this site.... but that is a small slice of the market Canon needs to hit to make decent sales volume.

Sorry, I see no logic in that. I think there are many more not-so-rich enthusiast photographers (like me, perhaps :) ) than sport/action PROs. I did buy 7D a few years ago, but not for the fps or a bit better sensor (going from 500D). I couldn't afford 5D2 back then and I liked 7D AF system, rugged body, CF slot (I was going to upgrade to 5D series anyway, so I didn't want to waste $ on SD for 60D), AFMA (for my 2 Sigmas), wireless flash control, good battery, ergonomics ... and I still think that 7D is one of the best Canon DSLR in history.
IMHO, most of us would buy 6D for less than $2000 over 5D3 or 7D2. 4.5fps is not that slow ;)

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Lenses / Re: If you can have ONLY 3 lenses, what would they...???
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:41:39 PM »
16-35 2.8 II
24-70 2.8 II
70-200 2.8 II

Covers the focal range for me.  If I can't get what I need with those lenses, I need to move myself not get a longer lens.

May I ask how often do you shoot (let's say) at 91mm or 194mm focal length? Why do you need to cover the whole range? Just curious :).
My experience with zooms was that I tend to find the sweet spot or two and use it like a prime lens (to minimize the distortion, aberrations, softness etc.).

24mm 1.4 II
50mm 1.2
70-200 2.8 II

I can't believe so many people would be fine with nothing faster than 2.8 in their kit.
Me too ;)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« on: September 16, 2012, 01:28:04 PM »
Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;) .

A $2500 MSRP would mean a €2500 MSRP price in Europe. That would be a NON-competitive price. For 400 euro more, you can get the 5D MKIII. It just does not make sense unless it is the opening price that needs to go down with at least 600 euro but only after 4 to 6 months. By then, most may have saved the money to buy the 5D MKIII

5D3 is $3500 MSRP, regardless of the actual retail prices. I think it is logical to assume that the retail price of this rumored poor-man's 5D would be lower than it's MSRP as well. The old 5D2 is $2200 MSRP, but you can get it for $1899 from amazon (atm). If 6D was $2000 MSRP and even lower retail price, then who is going to buy either 5D3 or 7D2 (which should be near $1900 MSRP) ?? Not me! :D

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012
« on: September 16, 2012, 12:25:02 PM »
IF 6D would have 11 point AF (cross-type) with center point double cross-type then OK - I will probably get one. If it is just 1 cross-type point - 5D Mk II is better for my needs. Fingers crossed !


no problem as long as it's cheap around 1500.


I think it wont come cheaper then 2k. Well, Im not saying Ill buy it right after announcement but Im ready for 2k price tag (with AF imrpoved compared to Mk II). If its just 1 cross-type in the center I would take a second look at Mk II.

...I think that it was published on canonwatch that current 650D AF module is better then 5D Mk II. So putting worse AF then Rebel line into entry FF makes no sense to me...

http://www.canonwatch.com/review-rebel-t4ieos-650d-is-a-great-entry-level-dslr/


Get ready for $2500 MSRP ;).

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS-M Body Only?
« on: September 16, 2012, 09:55:02 AM »
Probably not

I believe it depends which country you are in - in some countries Canon will be offering a kit consisting of only the EOS-M body and the EF-EFM adapter.  For instance, this kit is being advertised by Australian retailers.

EOS M + EF-to-EF-M adapter kit seems to be a very attractive option for many EOS users. Too bad theres no built-in flash for wireless flash control. I'm not sure if I'd use that 90EX speedlite, but an off-camera flash trigger should work. ;)

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Lenses / Re: Should I sell 35L f/1.4 to get 24-70II?
« on: September 16, 2012, 08:48:09 AM »
Yes yes yes! ;)
I just had the last for one day, but it took me five minutes to realize it is the best lens ever. I have had a 24-70 2.8 L for the past six years. It was the only lens I had. I didn't need anything else. I just do studio and outdoors modeling photos, and this lens was always perfectly versatile for me... Until today.
I was expecting a little improvement over the old one, but I was actually blown away.
This really is the best zoom Canon is ever made. It is so sharp and so fast that It will never leave your camera.
The better news is that I found it to be about 10% brighter than the old lens. That means you won't have to pump up your ISO too high. I believe it is almost 2 stops brighter. It actually feels like an F2.0 lens.
I guess the new glass let's more light into the sensor and it is probably engineered specifically for the new full frame cameras like the 5D III and 1D X.
I know the price is a little steep, but if you can afford it, I assure you you will not be disappointed. It is worth every dollar.
Check out my two posts on the forum. There is a comparison between the old and the new lenses. You will be very impressed.
Good luck

Do you realize that 10% is not even close to 2 stops? :). 2 Stops is like 400%, that means 4 times brighter.

The new 24-70L2 must be an excellent lens, no doubt. However, it is incomparable with 35L. If you don't need f/1.4-2.5 aperture then don't buy it (sell it). It's that simple. What's the point of using f/1.4 prime only at f/3.2+ apertures. My 40STM can do pretty much the same thing and it is 7 times cheaper than 35L.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 15, 2012, 06:57:09 AM »
Most likely, these specs are just made up, because:
a) "APS-C Sized body" doesn't make any sense. Maybe some bits were lost in translation, so we've got "APS-C Sized body" instead of "APS-C Sized sensor" and those are 70D specs.
b) "11 AF Points, f/2.8 Cross-type in the center" doesn't make much sense as well. How many cross-type in the center? 1? 5? 7?  60D and 650D got all 9 cross-type.
c) If "APS-C Sized body" somehow means that it is smaller than 5D/1D, then I doubt that it would be xD series camera. SD card slots are reasonable for smaller bodies. However, a single SD card slot in $2000 body is just ridiculous and if they did that just to keep the price as low as possible, then the "Built-in Wifi & GPS", "Weathersealed" body and a new FF sensor doesn't make sense at all.
d) IMHO, only 5D(something) can replace the 5D2. Writing random numbers on cameras is a Nikon thing, not Canon. Let's call it 5D2minusCF  ;D

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Canon PowerShot G15
« on: September 14, 2012, 08:21:07 AM »
It looks like the exposure compensation and ISO dials are gone.  That's not good.
Why? My DSLR doesn't have those dials and I don't need them. Anyway, I assume that the G15 will have a touch display (don't know if I like that) and it seems like the articulated screen is gone. Thus the body should be a bit thinner.
Don't need dials? Want thinner body without vari-angle LCD for your pockets? Then wait for S100 successor, because canon G series are not what you want.

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Canon PowerShot G15
« on: September 14, 2012, 05:46:41 AM »
... I treat my photography equipment like a fragile glass.

I bought a 1D X so I could treat it like the tool that it is.   ;)

Well, good for you.  But still, extra care won't hurt.  Love your tools and they will love you back.

I don't know much about inanimate object's love, but I treat my tools with care. Damaged (out of order) tools are pretty much useless to me. ;)

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Canon PowerShot G15
« on: September 14, 2012, 04:45:59 AM »
so nikon guys get a D600 this week and we a G15...mhm.. i hope there is more coming :)

We get nothing :), just the picture. Nikon guys got their D600 picture a long time ago.

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Canon PowerShot G15
« on: September 14, 2012, 04:42:41 AM »
5x zoom lens with an aperture range of f/1.8-2.8? Looks good.

But this release is kind of late to the already crowded market, isn't it? We now have Panasonic LX7 with a f/1.4-2.3 4x zoom, Olympus XZ-1 with a f/1.8-2.5 4x zoom and Fujifilm X10 with a f/2-2.8 4x zoom. Then, there's also the Sony RX100 with its slow lens but big sensor.

Ultimately, in real use, I suspect all the above cameras will have rather similar image quality (the big sensor advantage of the RX100 is offset by its slow lens). And Canon will be the overall loser 'cos they still suffer from slow contrast AF algorithm. Sigh...

I guess that's why Canon's have the slowest FPS. :( but if they can do at least 5FPS, it's good enough for a P&S.

P&S means "Point & Shoot", not "Point & Spray"  ;D. However, it would be very nice if Canon made it as fast as the competition.
According to the picture - some dials are missing ... same old crappy OVF ... and the Vari-angle LCD is gone too :(. I'm not sure if I'd buy this one over G12 or G11. Faster lens is fine, but, for me, it never was a priority in G series (sharpness and other optical qualities are more important). I just hope that the RAW image format is still there.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Mirrorless Future
« on: September 13, 2012, 08:45:33 AM »
All I want is a proper size FF mirrorless (not pocketable, but smaller than a Rebel) with vari-angle touchscreen LCD, built-in EVF, all the dials and buttons, nice grip, LP-E6 battery, CF card slot, wireless flash control and some lens adapters for mounting whatever lens I want.

P.S. ...and maybe a decent 50mm f/2 macro kit lens  ::)

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EOS Bodies / Re: whats going to be better?
« on: September 13, 2012, 02:37:26 AM »
MagicLantern!
One BIG reason for 5D2 to stay for a little while longer ;D

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