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Lenses / Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« on: November 30, 2012, 09:07:31 PM »

Note the different names.....


I did but wasn't sure they were all that conclusive....

IF ED MC Aspherical
ED AS IF UMC

Both have IF and ED.  Then Aspherical spelled out on one and AS used on the other.  Then only difference left is UMC vs MC. 

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/698923-REG/Bower_SLY14MMF28C_14mm_f_2_8_Ultra_Wide.html
Least with the bower at BH it seems off naming it might be hard to tell. 

http://www.amazon.com/Samyang-Manual-Focus-Aspherical-Cameras/dp/B006MI1XUA
Amazon naming doesn't seem helpful either.  Guess if one researched enough to distinguish UMC vs MC.  I never got that far.

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Lenses / Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« on: November 30, 2012, 08:42:16 PM »
Well there are as many or more on this forum alone that don't seem thrilled with the 17-40 on full frame. 

As for the Samyang comment today above, perhaps it has something to do with original version?
http://www.lenstip.com/200.1-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_IF_ED_MC_Aspherical-Introduction.html

This wording to start off that review "Important! The review of improved vesion of this lens can be found here"

I'm not real sure how one knows if an older one is slipped in.  But there's some rather high praise from them on the newer good version...  http://www.lenstip.com/239.4-Lens_review-Samyang_14_mm_f_2.8_ED_AS_IF_UMC_Image_resolution.html

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Lenses / Re: 650-1300 T-mount lens
« on: November 28, 2012, 09:50:17 PM »
Not sure how useful these will be.  From a chaser I know. 

http://stormhighway.com/blog/aug109a.shtml
http://stormhighway.com/blog/july3109b.shtml
http://stormhighway.com/blog/aug409a.shtml

Might try e-mailing him any questions about it. 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Buying Used Equipment on LensRentals.com
« on: November 20, 2012, 07:50:54 PM »
The lenses are heavily used, but well maintained.  Each lens goes thru a sharpness test when it comes back from a rental, and its pretty well checked out.
The lenses are going to have plenty of signs of a rough life, the paint will be scratched, and other cosmetic damage.
However, you will almost certainly get a lens in better working condition with no decentered elements than what you may get buying one from Craigslist.
As to rental cars, rental companies have been recently cited over and over for not incorporating safety recalls, and they likely scrimp on maintenance.  I'd pass on a used rental car, even though most probably will last for many years.

I almost don't think "most" will have much sign of use.  2 years isn't long and their goal is renting stuff that is extremely new in appearance.  It appears they move their stuff out for sale well before it looks as though it's had a rough life.  You can look at the lens in larger pictures to see how much so anyway.  A 8.5 on there is really like new.  A truly well used looking lens, I don't know what they'd rate it on there.  It's hard to find anything that looks well used.  I think the average renter probably babies their rental afraid of causing damage they'll have to pay for. 

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Buying Used Equipment on LensRentals.com
« on: November 20, 2012, 07:09:57 PM »
If it's in their stock for 2 years they sell it.  Doesn't mean it was rented out and used every single day.  And a lot of the duration of that is shipping as well.  I'd think if anything they may see less use than used from a person.  I love the idea of buying from them and it's great how often that page updates with new stuff. 

I recently bought a used 24L from them.  On my 5D II I noticed I had bad side variance and sent it back.  They tweaked it a bit and I had the same problem.  It was then suggested maybe my body had a mount to sensor issue that needed fixed, but I could return it or whatever I wanted.  And I noticed this a bit after the initial allowed test days deal too.  I opted to just swap it for the Zeiss 21 and guess what, same thing on my camera.  So alllll that time it was my camera to blame.  They were as good as you could even hope for over it and it wasn't even their problem.   I don't think you can really go wrong there.  Lot easier dealing with a business too.  Don't like something you buy from some random person, eh they may not give you your money back. 

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Canon General / Re: Canon USA Repair Service Update
« on: November 20, 2012, 02:46:12 PM »
Sent my 5D II to California facility November 1, they received it 5th/Monday and by 7th had looked at it and sent me the estimate and bill deal which I paid that same day.  Nothing since then, which is more than doubling the time my 10-22 just took.  Finally called today as I'd have hoped to had this by Thanks Giving weekend.  Was told they've had a back up there because of Sandy and they hope to get to it soon.  For what it is worth, for anyone sending there or have recently sent there.

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Drinking heavily after going off the deep end wishing canon would send my damn 5D II back to me(sent Nov 1). 

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Wish they'd shoot in RAW, remove just the color noise and then post jpgs of that. 

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Lenses / Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« on: November 16, 2012, 05:50:50 PM »
So after a few hours with the 17-40, the vignetting is the most I have ever seen in a lens!!!
The Zeiss 21mm Distagon is one lens that many lust after and was one of my considerations before deciding on the 24mm L, simply because I wanted the wider aperture for the Northern Lights.

I went with the 24L first for night stuff but soon realized the coma on stars is sooooo bad it needs F2.8 anyway.  For anything with light sources at night, it just felt really pointless being a fast lens that needed well stopped down.  Quickly thought, well heck I should have gotten the Zeiss after all. If Canon would ever ship my 5D II back to me I'd see how the Zeiss performs in that regard.  I still want a fast fast lens for auroras and other night ops.  Just not sure what it will be.  Seems one of the Samyang F1.4s had leaps and bounds better coma characteristics.  That stuff is just so damn nasty on the 24L and so far in from the corners too.  Least the good aurora displays don't overly need uber fast and F2.8 or so will be great. But yeah, F1.4 to freeze structure better would be nice. If only it wouldn't result in curving lines for stars in the corners from the huge coma.  Almost looks like star trails over really short shutters. 

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Lenses / Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« on: November 15, 2012, 05:44:13 PM »
Some folks like the 17-40

Would someone please enlighten me: Why are there so contradicting opinions on the 17-40L vs 16-35L? For all other lenses folks usually seem to be able to agree on what's "better", though "is it worth it" usually is more controversial.



http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Lens-Vignetting-Test-Results.aspx?Lens=100&Camera=9&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=412&CameraComp=9&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1

There is one easy example.  Yes vignetting can be corrected easily enough, but on higher dynamic range scenes it won't be as much fun opening up really really dark shadows(till Canon gets Sony class shadow lack of noise sensors I guess). 

I never had a problem with my 17-40 on a crop other than F4 was kinda annoying. Then I got the 10-22 and never used the 17-40 basically.  Then I got a 5D II and sold my 10-22.  So back out came the 17-40, where I soon hated it now on full frame.  F7.1 would be the max of getting rid of vignetting, as in no improvement past that anyway, but it was still there a good bit.  Need it more open like F4 and well it was just stupid.   I soon found myself iso'ing up the 5D II just because I was stopped down so much.  I wished I had enough money to get the 16-35 II just over that issue alone.  My copy of the 17-40 on a full frame had utter crap corners, which I have heard is more common than not(many may never have much important out there or notice I guess).  The 10-22 was about impossible to get flares off of.  17-40 shooting at night with street lights and voila flares for each light source. 

I've never owned the 16-35 but have seen it's flare is at least worse and doesn't sound like corners are that great.  Least its vignetting full frame is in a whole nother class.  On my 17-40, where you see the heavier vignetting on the above link, you could count on about an equivalent sharpness drop off.  It was damn nice in the middle and at least a good ways out though.  Even stopped down, if I had stuff in the corners that needed to be sharp, well it was disturbingly soft. 

My thought always was, if I'm going to invest the cash to go full frame, I'm going to have to invest the cash to get a lens that truly makes it worth it.  I constantly kept thinking, I was better off with my 10-22 on a crop than my 17-40 on full.  I had to stop down to help the extreme vignetting to get it to where the 10-22 starts, resulting in more iso noise anyway.  Then I added in having flare issues I never had with the 10-22.  And again, least on my 17-40 that seemed great in the center, the corners were pathetic, fine on the 10-22.  It just felt stupid to have made the "jump". 

So I went back to crops as I needed money then and certainly didn't have the ability to spend more for the 16-35.  Since then I've made the full frame jump again for the second time and this time I went with the Zeiss 21 for my go to wide angle.  Really with these wide angle zooms, you aren't getting that much focal change.  A great prime like the 21 Zeiss instead made more sense.  I had the option this time around to get the 16-35 and it just didn't sound so appealing. 

Here's one to consider on corners as well, Zeiss at F2.8 to the 16-35 stopped down to F5.6 even.  Says something about the corners of even the higher priced(than 17-40) 16-35.  Weird just how bad the corner vertical lines look.
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=708&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=412&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=3

It seems to me if corners don't matter, have at either zoom.  If F4 and vignetting don't matter may as well go 17-40.



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Lens Gallery / Re: Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM
« on: November 15, 2012, 11:10:12 AM »
I think this Lens has to be my next buy! extremeinstability what body are you using?


Thanks.  Well it was on the rebels I've had(95% of my stuff has been via rebels).  Recently switched back to 5D II and just sold it/the 10-22.  Had two so far and both were great. 

fwiw it's good enough for nat geo.   http://press.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/15/ngm-september-2012/  That was shot with the 10-22 on a T2i.  For some reason I always thought maybe some would find that interesting, perhaps more for the rebel aspect(even if it's silly since just the sensor is the most important part for such stuff).    Not sure why if Time is taking Iphone shots I guess.  Course then there have been some other bigger uses from an original 6mp rebel and its really really really bad kit lens.  When looking back at some stuff I feel pretty stupid fretting too much over small lens issues, yet here I am still always doing it anyway. 

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Lenses / Re: Advice 5d3, wide angle
« on: November 13, 2012, 07:21:12 PM »
Zeiss 21 F2.8 could be another thought.  I went that route then snatched up a 14mm Samyang for the times I need even wider. 

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rokinon 14mm f/2.8
« on: November 13, 2012, 07:01:16 PM »
My samyang 14 isn't chipped.

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Moonbow!
« on: October 31, 2012, 10:52:01 AM »
This on spaceweather.com today...  http://www.spaceweather.com/images2012/31oct12/hathaway.jpg

Given the same clouds/ice crystals one could have all that with the moon, a shot I'm kinda dying to get lol. 

If you get some ground fog at night with a low moon look for these too...  http://www.extremeinstability.com/stockx/optics/o-f8475.jpg  Lunar fogbow. 

I think a Lunar or Moonbow is more of just a rainbow from moonlight, which I've still not gotten and is really hard in some regions.  Martin McKenna has gotten a lot of them now.  http://www.nightskyhunter.com/Rainbow%20&%20Moonbow%20Gallery.html

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rokinon 14mm f/2.8
« on: October 31, 2012, 10:42:14 AM »

Can you please get a picture of the night sky with the lens fully open and see how the stars show at the corners? If the lens has coma (which even Canon L lenses have fully open) they will look like ... seagulls!

I can but I have to be motivated enough to drag it out after dark lol.  I should have tested it for that before when I was testing all the other lenses.  I think I can chalk that up to not counting on this to be much of a night sky lens due to all the light fall off/vignetting.  I suspect there's enough vignetting at f2.8 with this lens that it will be hard to get bad coma issues with stars.  But now I am curious what the distortion would do to a star trail lol.  Anyway, I just kinda doubt the issue will be coma on a night sky with it F2.8 and as much vignetting as there is there(it's more than the 14L II...which also has winged stars/coma I guess).  I have to send my 5D II in to fix the mount to sensor plane issue, which might happen today, so it'd likely be after that returns. 

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