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Canon General / Re: Total File Size - All Your Images and Keep or Delete
« on: January 02, 2013, 02:18:04 PM »
Glad to see some others that are pretty big on purging and deleting.  I realized a bit ago probably the biggest reason I'm so bad at it.  I'm so anal on putting the best of the images forward whenever I do anything. I think, I have to whittle down so it's easier to find/sort/know the best(in my mind) for this or that use.  The other thing that I think drives what amounts to being the opposite of a hoarder is, I really really really hate doing headlines, captions, and keywords for stock sites.  Having far far less to screw with makes that a lot easier.  Yeah many are similar, but at least as far as keywords are concerned, it's often not as easy as simply highlighting all in a basic group and "appending metadata" for the keywords.  If I delete the piss out of things before I get to that point, it's all the easier to accomplish that and move on.  Those are the biggest reasons I delete away.  The third would probably be, it sorta feels healthy to just let go of some of it lol.  I always think about later on down the road in life, I don't need an ocean of images, a lake or pond will do.  Maybe that would have been a better way to look at this/do this post.  When you are at the end of your photography year's rope, how many photos will be enough.  I'm shooting for a best of collection I guess.  If I "only" have 5,000 of those after another 30 years that should be more than enough. 

Canon General / Re: Total File Size - All Your Images and Keep or Delete
« on: January 02, 2013, 01:37:49 PM »
Memory is cheap. You said it yourself. To me, it's not worth deleting a single frame. If I take a shot that's not worth keeping, it gets deleted in camera before I transfer the files to computer.
Just curious....I'd been told that for longer life of your memory cards, that it was best to NOT do maniuplations, deletions from the camera to individiual files on the cards while in camera.

That is was best to unload all your images from a session(s) with your card reader to your comuter, and once done, you reformat the cards in the CAMERA to totally erase them to be ready for next shoots.

Thoughts on this? Myth or Fact?



It's probably a bit of both.  Generally if you work something more it won't last as long as otherwise, but with that it's probably a big none issue.  Something else will screw up a card first.  I've only had one card fail the last 10 years. 

Of course now I notice the card reader comment.  I have always done mine via usb cable/camera to the computer.  I think taking the card out, putting it in a card reader then back out and back to the camera will do more harm than deleting images on the card ever will.  I've always been paranoid about that weakening a card that I just always have a big enough card each time and never take it out of the camera and use the usb route(till the usb port failed on my T2i anyway lol).

Canon General / Re: Total File Size - All Your Images and Keep or Delete
« on: January 02, 2013, 10:19:41 AM »
I didn't even think about video.  I'm almost the same with those.  With those I tend to delete just entire days at a time rather than go through the clips from a day and delete unwanted clips. I chase storms so well later I think, that day/storm wasn't that interesting compared to other things caught.  Trash bin it goes. 

And it has completely nothing to do with cost of drives.  Someone could give me huge TB drives and I'd still have 36 gigs kept right now is all. 

I kinda look at it like a box of family photos later in life.  I'd think say 10,000 should cover it, rather than having to deal with 100,000 instead.  I'll never have 10,000 as I barely have 2,000 after 10 years. Seems like keeping 10 photos from a day out would be ideal or even 20 I guess.  Not sure how much that would change if I say shot sports instead.  Probably a lot but then again not really sure it'd matter much. 

The one thing I have learned is to not spend much time deleting off the camera at the time.  Whole lot easier to do it later on the pc and usually a lot wiser. 

Seems to me spending time deleting and whittling down a lot is anything but "wasting time".  I guess if I was fully wise I'd always stick files on a big ol hard drive and not delete those down and instead just have a separate area where I whittle like mad like I already do.  I have too much of a screw it attitude though.  Not saying to hell with all the photos at all, but it just seems excessive to save everything. 

I'll agree if it's worth putting on a website it should be worth keeping.  I just end up thinking that one backwards after the fact when I'm whittling down and thinking it wasn't worth putting on the site in the end...but it's already there.  If it is in my stock section I will for sure have the original file still.  But man no one wants to just use that section and instead find it elsewhere. 

I've gone over this topic with others a few times in the past and some have come back later totally changing their minds and wishing they had kept their pile at a more sane level.  I want to end up in with a very much best of pile.  Then if I want to say put out a calendar or simply change stock sites, or whatever might come up, it'd be so so much easier to start from a very much best of pile than seeing a trillion highly similar shots.  And it is.  And yet it's still a bit of a mental chore to pick, even now. 

If I shoot say some atmospheric optic that trumps all the versions of the same phenomena shot earlier, then in my mind life is simpler to delete all the lesser versions from the past. 

I will say though that what I do actually keep, I'm a backup madman like most everyone.  I'll have it on this computer at home and another, 2 external hard drives, then I'll also keep a couple copies at my parent's place.  That all barely feels like enough lol. 

I guess I'm just surprised there aren't more that take this approach and would rather do the opposite and keep it all.  The exception is if it's for someone else you are shooting, wedding, portrait, sports, etc. 

Canon General / Total File Size - All Your Images and Keep or Delete
« on: January 01, 2013, 11:29:41 PM »
36.5 gigs 2002 through 2012... at the moment...though I feel like whittling down even more.  Actually quite a lot of TIFF files(star trails/etc) in that making it larger than it really is imagewise. 

I always wonder how many others are like me out there and delete like a madman, just to keep things in check as far as total images kept over the years.  If I don't whittle often and delete away, I end up feeling like I don't even know what all I have and can't keep a grasp on that.  Figured it might be interesting to see some of the total image file size out there.  As in whatever you got that you keep and well back-up. 

I'm sure for the wedding photographers and portrait business folks out there, it's a different deal and huge just for the customer's sake.  Still probably interesting to hear.

Since 2002 I've had a Sony F707, 5 rebels and 2 5D II's and really actually shoot quite a bit.  Often stuff that's just not repeatable later.  I think many take the "logical" route of "it's safer to save and not delete and storage is cheap anyway".  It is logical.  Deleting takes courage lol.  If I took that route and had been keeping everything, man I'd feel so so lost whenever I'd go to do anything with things.  I get into a severe delete mode, just find something, anything to delete, to whittle the pile way way down.  I do that with the collection, then later on I do it again to the same total collection.  The earliest stuff gets so so whittled down.   I'll stop and think to myself, what are you doing, then say screw it, just a photo, and delete...over and over lol.  And of course half the time someone e-mails wanting to license an image, they pick one off the site that I never kept and I kick myself a little. 

It's fun to sorta trip yourself out later realizing you can stick all the images you've kept the last 10 years on a single cheap flash card. 

Thanks for starting this one, been meaning to look into it as well.  I was going to just look into what WHCC offers.

Lenses / Re: Infinity and Cold
« on: December 24, 2012, 09:26:15 PM »
your samyang 14mm hard stops at infinity? I had read that they did, but figured it an error as mine seems to roll right on past infinity.

Well no, not exactly.  It was doing that after it was very cold is all. 

Landscape / Re: Holiday Landscapes
« on: December 23, 2012, 11:00:13 PM »

Several more now on this page from the other night.

This whole idea and op was a little involved lol. 

Lenses / Re: Infinity and Cold
« on: December 23, 2012, 11:51:27 AM »
Yeah that is what I feared when I first used the hard stop on this Zeiss 21 and it being the first hard stop lens I've owned.  I thought, how does that work when it gets cold unless it happens to change the other direction and hard stop is in normal temps.  Seems the change usually is towards the past infinity direction though.  But the other night I used it without problems it was about 15F out I guess.  Then again now that I think about it, I was mostly using the Samyang 14.  It's focus seemed to change so far that it was pretty much hard stop well past the infinity line on there.  I should just leave the Zeiss out one of these 0F mornings coming up and see if it changes much from the hard stop. 

Portrait / Re: Happy Holidays Photos!
« on: December 23, 2012, 11:47:11 AM »
Not exactly portrait but since I wound up in the shot I guess it works.  From last night.  Winter boredom resulted in getting the idea to drag a car battery and an inverter, with some christmas lights and well....

Awesome photo!

extremeinstability, fantastic picture! What duration did you shoot for?

Thanks.  Well I'll be making an account of images today hopefully and try and explain in there.  Basically for the stars it was 20 second shots, F2.8 at 640 ISO with the Samyang 14 on a 5D II.  The camera never moves for the Christmas lights shot or the lantern shot.  The Christmas lights at that setting needed turned on for like 1 second tops then turned back off.  Easy enough to get the images for the star trail stack and then do one with the Christmas lights turned on then back off real fast.  Then without moving the camera still I'd do a bunch of lantern poses so I can just use which ever one of those later I want.  Those were with different settings.  I could leave the ISO at 640 and do those at like 2-4 seconds.  The only tricky part then is just stacking in the lantern frames as they are a lot darker and using "lighten" blend mode like the stars and christmas lights, well doesn't work.  So just used normal mode and had to mask it right.  Then adjust a curve on that and the other one so it balances better. 

Portrait / Re: Happy Holidays Photos!
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:54:14 PM »
Not exactly portrait but since I wound up in the shot I guess it works.  From last night.  Winter boredom resulted in getting the idea to drag a car battery and an inverter, with some christmas lights and well....

Lenses / Infinity and Cold
« on: December 22, 2012, 01:57:51 PM »
After getting a 21mm Zeiss that has a hard stop for infinity that is spot on too, I'm wondering how that still works with bitter temps.  Seems most of the lenses I've had the infinity changes a good bit if the lens gets really cold.  Last night for example the infinity on the Samyang 14mm seemed to be clear at the very edge, while warmer times it seemed it was definitely on the other side of the infinity line.  Guess I'm not sure what I'm wondering exactly.  Just what others have seen.  Some lenses must be designed differently that it's not as big of an issue.  First impressions is that it's not budging on the Zeiss. 

Lenses / Re: Variable length zooms and dust
« on: December 22, 2012, 01:29:12 PM »
I've only had problems with my push pull 100-400L, granted I've never owned a huge collection of lenses.  It for sure is a dust pump.  Looks like it was assembled in the Sahara desert. 

I've had it fog up inside the same area as well.  The only way I got it back out(without waiting forever) at the time was to blast the car heater on the lens then push pull pump it a lot, then cool it back down in the cold outside air, then repeat.  The expanding and contracting along with the pumping eventually dried it out.  Had to dry the car out from all the snow melt issues first. 

Seems the vacuuming stays out of the cam.

Lenses / Re: Fellow stargazers & nighttime landscape loners!
« on: December 19, 2012, 10:45:58 AM »
I wonder if there is anything wider than 50 and probably really wider than 35mm too that is faster than F2.8 and doesn't have much coma full frame edges/corners. 

I'm tempted to try the Samyang 24 F1.4 for the night sky lens when stars are part of the subject.

Sure otherwise the Canon is better but for stars I'd think the Samyang would be better even if wide open it  has less resolution.  If I ever have $600 laying around and a lens buying bug again I'd probably have to go with that.  I really missed the wide faster than F2.8 deal the other night on the meteor shower.  50mm worked ok enough full frame and well 35 F1.4 would have probably been ideal for just that.  But yeah big sky 24mm would be the end of the least wide.

The Samyang 14 really turned out to work well at night.  I had my doubts because of the large vignetting wide open, but really it turned out to be ok.  Some night stuff on there with both the Zeiss and the Samyang but not star fields.  The fogbows would not have fit without the 14.  Brief trip with the 24L II at night before I swapped it for a Zeiss 21.  Really was pointless to get that one for night over the Zeiss since even F2 coma was nasty anyway.  There was very little improvement.  Least F2.8 is fast enough for most things anyway.  But yeah the meteor deal, F2 felt like a huge improvement over F2.8.  Sure some was 50mm compared to 21mm on them too but it just felt larger than simply F2 to F2.8.

Lenses / Re: Fellow stargazers & nighttime landscape loners!
« on: December 18, 2012, 06:49:24 PM »
Zeiss 21mm might be my fave now.  The Canon 24L II proved pretty pointless for night sky more open than F2.8 anyway.  Coma extends well into the photo, bad coma, so it tends to make it a little pointless for that added F1.4 to F2.8 range it would allow at night.  Unless one likes big ol wings off their stars I guess.  Samyang 24 F1.4 had less coma and might be interesting.  Canon 14L had plenty of that too. 

Software & Accessories / Re: Stop Using Instagram
« on: December 18, 2012, 04:25:58 PM »
I think most larger companies wanting images and often purchasing images, kind of fear not paying someone.  Say someone snags a photo off my website and posts it on instagram/etc and they get it that way.  So then I send them(end user) a nice bill or let a lawyer do it as the images are registered.  At least if they are paying someone, they should have a better recourse if someone does that.  Because I sure won't care if they can't then find whoever snagged the image.  So many times I've been told "well a friend of blah said we could use these images."  Great, like I care what someone fed you.  Seems plenty out there learn it is better to be paying someone something.  Course I laugh inside knowing the crazy amount that don't and think it is cool to just snag and use. The amount of people that will snag any and everything off the net and "share it" in their own folder on these sites, I don't get how many companies are going to feel real great taking free images from these same places.  They are at least less protected going that route. 

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