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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon's 2.300$ D750 said to best 5DIII
« on: October 01, 2014, 05:14:19 PM »
When you nail all of those other factors. And, it's more than possible to nail every one with any pro- or semipro-grade DSLR from Canon or Nikon (and some even from Sony, and probably Pentax as well). We already have cameras with phenomenal AF systems, with very high frame rates (although the best frame rates do tend to cost), and composition is a simple matter of preference...reframe to taste. When you get all that right, what's left? Sensor IQ Is the picture interesting?


I fixed your statement.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II: More High ISO Samples
« on: October 01, 2014, 05:09:22 PM »
The tepid response from the market

The market response is rational here.  There's probably a lot of people like me that are disappointed. 

WTF? What market response are you talking about? The first day the 7DII was released it hit #1 on the Amazon Best Sellers List. It's not there now, only because pre-orders always drop off after the first day or two.

The dang thing won't even be available until November, so the only market response out there are people gossiping on forums and judging by the comments on this forum, including several who have pre-ordered or know others who have pre-ordered, it looks more like a hit than a miss.

If you don't like the camera, that's fine, but don't just make up crap.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No EOS-1D X Replacement in 2014 [CR2]
« on: September 29, 2014, 06:54:36 PM »
And, for that matter, why would the 5DIII need to be replaced?

To get 3 stops more low ISO DR and get rid of low ISO banding?
To get a nice 4k?
To get crisp 1080p without RAW?
To get more MP?

And, for that matter, why would the 5DIII need to be replaced?

Dual pixel, new RGB+IR metering.

These might be nice, but as someone who actually owns a 5DIII, I don't find any of these to be compelling reasons to upgrade. Judging by some of the comments and recent polls on this site, I'm not sure many other 5DIII owners are feeling a need to upgrade either. Waiting another year or two for more significant technological improvements might make more sense.

What more significant improvements? If 4k isn't anything, nor crisp 1080p, nor firmware with aids that actually let you focus video and see blown highlights, nor better metering, nor dual pixel AF, nor 3 stops DR at low ISO, nor 1+ stops DR at high ISO, nor 46-46MP, etc. what are you expecting?

First, I'm not sure your wish list is realistic.

Second, I'm not a video person, so neither 4K nor 1080 p has any interest for me personally. (Although I recognize that it might interest video people) but not convinced it is such a necessity that some people think, given that now and for the foreseeable future most video is going to live on the internet.

I can see blown highlights without the camera telling me.

I'm regularly amazed at how good the existing Canon metering is already. Even when I bracket to compensate, the camera's chosen exposure is almost always spot on.

I don't use live view, so dual pixel has never been a big interest.

You should know by now that low ISO dynamic range isn't a big deal to me. (I'll take it if given to me, but I'm not interested in paying for it.)

I'm always interested in high ISO improvements, but pretty pleased with the 5DIII's performance as it is.

And, for me, 46 mp is not a plus, it's a negative.

Now, I know that's just me. But, reading a lot of comments on this site from a lot of 5DIII owners, I think I may be more typical than you suspect.

So, what would interest me?

In-camera AFMA;
Lightfield technology, offering post-exposure focusing;

Throw in user friendly wi-fi and touchscreen, higher frame rate, an in-camera photo editing program (especially one that can be linked to an iPad) so you can edit images, convert them to jpeg and post to the internet all without having to first transfer the files to a computer, better weather sealing, and a few other improvements we haven't thought of yet.

Aside from the Lightfield technology, which may be a few more years away from making autofocus systems obsolete, the rest of this stuff should be either available now or available in the near future.

In the meantime, my main point is simply that I'm content with the current 5DIII and don't see much that would make me upgrade.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No EOS-1D X Replacement in 2014 [CR2]
« on: September 29, 2014, 03:27:10 PM »
And, for that matter, why would the 5DIII need to be replaced?

To get 3 stops more low ISO DR and get rid of low ISO banding?
To get a nice 4k?
To get crisp 1080p without RAW?
To get more MP?

And, for that matter, why would the 5DIII need to be replaced?

Dual pixel, new RGB+IR metering.

These might be nice, but as someone who actually owns a 5DIII, I don't find any of these to be compelling reasons to upgrade. Judging by some of the comments and recent polls on this site, I'm not sure many other 5DIII owners are feeling a need to upgrade either. Waiting another year or two for more significant technological improvements might make more sense.

Just curious – why would Canon need to replace the 1D-X? It looks to me that the Nikon D4-S has similar or lesser specs. No other camera competes in this market segment, so why do people think it will be replaced anytime soon?


Because long time Canon 1 series users have been forced into a choice that doesn't sit well. When the 1Ds MkIII came out it was the sensor king, the resolution has proven to be good enough for many but the bodies are old and in need of replacement. There is a market for a high MP 1 series, but there is also a market for a true 1Ds MkIII replacement, a 24MP 1 series with a now attainable high frame rate with all the modern touches like metering, AF, full RT flash integration, iso capabilities, etc etc...

...To be sure, a 1Dx MkII if it were 21-24 MP and 12 fps would be a true 1D MkIV and 1Ds MkIII replacement, the 1DX was not, that there are many out there that would buy into a high mp body, they will do that whatever the form factor.

Okay, I guess I understand. You certainly know more about what 1D users want and need than I do. I am just looking at it from a competitive standpoint, and I'm not seeing anything in the D4-S that the 1D-X doesn't do as well or better. So, was thinking that there was nothing that would make Canon feel they have to upgrade to keep 1D body users from switching brands.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No EOS-1D X Replacement in 2014 [CR2]
« on: September 29, 2014, 10:44:00 AM »
Just curious – why would Canon need to replace the 1D-X? It looks to me that the Nikon D4-S has similar or lesser specs. No other camera competes in this market segment, so why do people think it will be replaced anytime soon?

And, for that matter, why would the 5DIII need to be replaced?


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Looks like the a7r will be your landscape cam. Now you can shorten your posts to a link to this thread when the issue rises.

As for Lee jay, I would say a bounce flash.

Yes, as should be quite obvious, a flash is often a great way to control scene contrast.  That was a 550EX fired into the ceiling.

You do realize the whole point was to demonstrate DR, right? Oh, and um...I don't have a flash for the A7r...so, doing a comparison with flash just wasn't an option.
That may have been your point, but apparently it wasn't his. Don't you just hate it when people hijack your thread to talk about something you don't care about? Sure glad no one else on this thread does that.

Seriously I'm also very glad you've found the perfect camera. Although now it sounds a little like you think there may be more to a camera than the dynamic range of the sensor. Too bad no one else has ever made that point.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: September 26, 2014, 05:36:47 PM »
It doesn't matter what I want. The 5D III was targeted to wedding and event photographers and its features have made it a must have among that group, by giving them a competitive advantage over photographers not using the 5D III. In contrast the Nikon 800 series has struggled to find an audience because it's features simply aren't targetted to a clear audience of significant size.

I am guessing that Canon will not abandon that audience but rather try to develop features that continues to give wedding and event photographers using canon a competitive advantage. It seems to me the biggest problem these photographers have today is that brides want pictures up on Facebook immediately (as in before the ceremony ends) and their friends can do it with their cellphones more quickly than the person they are paying to shoot the wedding can do it. The first manufacturer who can help pro photographers get images posted to social media as quickly and seamlessly as the wedding guest using an iPhone will have a winner in the marketplace. That's the sort of thing that will sell cameras, not megapixels, dynamic range, etc.

People on this forum can continue to whine, but it's that ability to help photographers meet the demands of their customers that should be the primary goal of Canon or any other company. That means integrated wifi, that is intuitive and quick, most likely with a touch screen interface and maybe even a simple photo editing program built into the camera's software.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Says Higher Resolution Sensors Are Coming Soon
« on: September 25, 2014, 08:58:22 AM »
However, I AM one of a group of people here who are regularly treated like idiots and fools writing useless words because we want more DR in a Canon camera.
A complete  - if utterly predictable - misrepresentation of the truth of the matter.

You're not treated that way because you want more DR.

You're treated that way for banging on, and on, and on, and on about it, to the level of trolling.

And - for what it's worth - the only thing more deserving of criticism than a troll, is a troll who has the bare-faced cheek to present himself as a victim because his trolling attracts the oh-so-predictable reaction from others...
Well, Keith you can expect to be pilloried for your observation but you are exactly right. The "Victim" act has gotten old. Unfortunately, judging by some of the responses here it seems to work on some people.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Says Higher Resolution Sensors Are Coming Soon
« on: September 25, 2014, 08:46:00 AM »
No offence AvTvM your the type of customer that won't be happy with any camera.
So true. So very, very true.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Posting about sensors and DR!
« on: September 23, 2014, 06:51:49 PM »
The title says it all.... after thread after thread becomes arguments that never end, what do you wish people would do?

biased poll. you single out one group for attack and let the shills and fanboys and bully attackers off the hook

Actually a good poll. Focuses on a single issue and asks a straightforward question. Only problem is that some of the answers overlap a bit. But still, it will give an answer on one specific question.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:45:49 PM »
I also do believe it is a fact that Canon sensors are at the back of the pack these days. I believe their noise quality sucks, and that they should do something about it...

You guys are so vehemently against anyone saying anything negative about Canon that you readily stoop to twisting peoples words, or handily assuming they said something other than they did, then repeating those assumptions as though they are fact...

...Your not going to let some wackjob voice his dissenting opinon on Canon Rumors forums...

I believe Canon has fallen behind...

THIS IS MY OPINION. It's not going to change because a bunch of guys on a forum try to bully it out of me. You guys are a pretty sad bunch, stooping to any low level possible to either disprove, debase, emberass or run out of town anyone who has a dissenting opinion...

So what is the deal? You guys cannot tolerate any dissenting opinion, so your just going to do everything in your power to run anyone who has a dissenting opinion out of town? By belittling them, insulting them, or otherwise debasing them? Regardless of how you have to ignore context or twist or ignore words or make unverified assumptions about what someone is saying, and then reformulate peoples claims in your own words? Really disgusting display, guys.

I'm sorry, but this just begs for a response.

No one has tried to stop you from posting your opinion. In fact if someone were to do a word count of all posts on this forum, I'd bet you would come in at number one.

But posting your opinion doesn't make you right and others have every right to disagree and point out where you are wrong.
 
The problem I see is that you cannot accept the validity of anyone else's opinion and insist that the problems you think exist with Canon sensors are critical and real, when many others feel strongly that the issues you raise are grossly exaggerated, insignificant, rely on faulty data, imaginary or simply not that important.

That doesn't make you smarter or more discerning than others and it certainly doesn't make you right and others wrong.

Lately as more and more people have disagreed with your rants (and many can only be described as rants) you've taken to playing the martyr. Which is amply demonstrated by the quotes above.

Frankly Neuro, Sporgon, DTaylor, Private and many others have been remarkably patient in responding and refuting your claims, as well as in presenting alternative views.

Yet your post shows that you can't seem to handle the criticism and lash out at those who disagree.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I'm also entitled to think your opinion is a bunch of crap and to say so, because after all, no matter how much pseudo science you wrap it in, it is nothing more than your opinion.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: September 20, 2014, 12:12:29 AM »
So if I am reading this article right, Canon is selling more low end crop bodies.
Nikon is selling more high end Pro and Prosumer bodies.
You are not reading it right. Nikon has more full frame bodies and Canon has more aps-c bodies. Absent information on sales of specific models it's impossible to know which company is selling more of any particular body or format. Having more of something isn't the same as selling more.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: September 19, 2014, 10:42:35 PM »
Crucify me. I've already been hanging on a cross for a while now, not like it's going to matter. :P
Oh please spare us the self-pity. You've been on the attack for months now. Every time you are proven wrong you change the goal posts or pull out the "poor me" card. It's time to move on.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 18, 2014, 02:14:30 PM »
The D800 resolves quite a lot more detail than the 5D III. That either translates into the ability to enlarge more with the same level of detail as smaller enlargements with the 5D III, or it translates into naturally crisper, sharper images when downsampling for smaller prints or online publication.

Sorry, but this is just crazy talk. Ink is not infinitely scalable. It is a liquid that has to be absorbed into the paper. Which means it must bleed or it wouldn't adhere to the paper. It isn't like pixels, where you can keep getting smaller and smaller and with sufficient magnification still see individual pixels.

And, as far as online publications go, the limiting factor is the resolution of the monitor, which is always way, way less than the resolution of any camera.

The D810 might – emphasis on might – offer some advantage for those making very large prints. But, ordinarily, large prints are viewed at a greater distance, so once viewing distance is taken into account, the difference in resolution is generally negligible.

Tony Northrup made a transparent infomercial. If he isn't yet on Nikon's payroll, it isn't for lack of trying on his part.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A New EOS Pro Body With 46mp Next Month? [CR1]
« on: September 18, 2014, 11:08:48 AM »
This camera is firmly in the realm of: "will be delivered by elves riding unicorns."

Still, I encourage everyone to actively participate in this thread as every minute spent here is a minute that can't be spent whining about dynamic range.
Oh, and for the guy who said the D810 was cutting into Canon's market share: Amazon best sellers as of this morning: Canon 7DII #1. D810 #9.

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