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below is an example of getting nice images without flagship...

example:  http://blog.zhangjingna.com/2010/10/equipment-and-where-money-comes-from.html

Thanks for this post. Great reality check.

I am so tired of these constant threads that repeat the same arguments over and over again. People constantly bragging about the size of their sensors. Others complaining about how when they underexpose a black shirt in the shadows they get noise if they blow it up 300 times. Still others wanting to shoot at 2 million ISO. Others point their lens straight into the Sun. It goes on and on.

If the picture is interesting, nothing else matters.  Nothing.

EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS


EF-S 15-85 IS (dont confuse this with the not so good 17-85)

the first gives much wider aperture availability and constant f2.8 which is very nice

the later is variable aperture and much slower but gives a wider wide end and much greater zoom range

they are similar prices
depending on which strengths you prefer either will be excellent

if you shoot alot of low light i would go with the first option if not so much and the greater zoom range is appealing go with the  second

Agreed. Both will give you significantly better quality. If you are in the U.S. the EF-S 15-85 is much cheaper. It is on my 7D about 80% of the time. If traveling, I take only this lens and my 70-300 "L" and can cover just about anything.

Others may disagree, but in my opinion, in the wide range, there aren't practical EF alternatives. (Both of these lenses are good enough that if you later move to full-frame they should have decent resell value. )

The amount of misinformation in this thread is well ... staggering

You might want to save this to your clipboard and just re-post it periodically. It pretty much summarizes the majority of threads on this site.

Canon General / Re: 24-70Mk2 fell off my 5DMk3 and smashed
« on: March 29, 2013, 06:03:29 PM »
I generally grip my camera with my thing and middle finger (left hand) around the zoom ring...

Great. Now that's a mental image I wish I didn't have!

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]
« on: March 28, 2013, 02:27:15 PM »
I love this forum. It is so predictable.

Put out any set of specifications and the mob will immediately zero in on the weakest aspect and suddenly it becomes the Most-Important-Thing-in-the-World.

Frankly, as a 7D owner, and keeping in mind that this is CR1, I find this pretty encouraging.

Modest, incremental improvements to the new model. What do people expect? The 7D is a great camera and when does any company completely reinvent a successful product? (See all the many interchangeable "generations" of  iPhones)

Most 7D owners are hoping for a slight improvement in the sensor. We don't know anything about this sensor, but I find the idea of a small increase in mp count encouraging as I like the way Canon has been emphasizing quality over sheer megapixels in their full frame releases.

The construction of the 7D is already pretty solid, but better weathersealing is always a good thing in my book.

Keeping a CF card slot is also a positive to me. Dual card slots? Nice, but not a deal breaker and since this is CR1 who knows what that really means. After all, technically, the 5DIII has a single CF card slot too.

What's with all the angst over the 19pt autofocus? Again, we have no idea what that really means. 5DII owners used to whine about how they wanted the 7D autofocus system. Suddenly it's terrible? The existing 19 points are fine, I just wish the sampling was a little more accurate. As Neuro has often pointed out, one of the problems with autofocus points is that they actually sample an area larger than indicated in the viewfinder. I'd take 19 very accurate autofocus points over more points any day of the week.

Someone assumed the inclusion of GPS and WiFi means the end of the pop-up flash. Perhaps. I'm not surprised. Canon is moving away from the infrared controller system to its new RC strobes. Sadly, I never expected the next generation to offer on-board IR control. Besides, if you ever tried to use the IR control with the popup flash you know that it is frustratingly prone to overheating. Plus, there's that annoying design flaw that causes the pop-up mechanism to lock down.

All in all, I'd say that if this CR1 rumor turns out to be accurate, I won't be either surprised or disappointed.

EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 06:35:35 PM »
To each his own. Obviously you know you are lucky to have this problem and not snooty about it.

If it were me, I'd keep the 7D, buy a 5DIII and a 100-400 zoom, then pick out a great location to take my wife, where I could also use the cameras and lenses. Travel is ALWAYS a good investment in my book.

Lenses / Re: New 100-400 to Launch with EOS 7D Mark II [CR2]
« on: March 27, 2013, 11:33:14 AM »
If it comes in at about the same price as the Nikon, I won't be disappointed. That's much less than earlier predictions.

I'll hang on to my current 100-400 until the price settles in, compare the quality of the two and then decide if it's worthwhile or not. If the quality is similar to the 70-300 L it will be worth trading up. I actually feel like, for once, I'm in a good position. Glad I picked up the 100-400 when Canon had it in their refurbished store.

EOS Bodies / Re: Future of APS-C Given 6D Pricing
« on: March 27, 2013, 11:17:45 AM »
My crystal-ball tells me, that the 7DII will have a similar price tag as the 6D had at the beginning (2000-2300$), the 70D will come out somewhat below of what the 6D is at that time (1300-1500$). Both will be APS-C and maybe even share the sensor; the 7DII will have a much better AF-system and higher frame rate...

...The new APS-C senosr are damn good, and if Canon manages to make an even better one than Nikon has, then I don't see the reason to go FF. Especially since it is not only the camera that costs a little more, its just everything that gets more expensive (24-70 f2.8 of f4 lenses for 2000$/1400$, more expensive filters, a heavier and more expensive tripod do manage the aditional load)

My crystal ball says pretty much the same thing. I expect the 70D to come in at about the same $1,200 (U.S.) range as the D7100. That still leaves plenty of room for the 7D. I expect price at introduction to be about the same as the 6D, but they could well hold it to under $2,000.

Only question I have is whether or not they will share the same sensor.

With three sensors for three full frame bodies, there is some reason to believe that Canon could well put different sensors in the 70D and the 7D. (Perhaps a 24 MP sensor in the 70D and a 20 MP sensor in the 7D that offers a little less noise at higher ISOs.)

I think if we are honest, the new APS-C sensors are (will be) good enough for 98% of the people, no matter if there are 1500$ FF bodies or not.

For most people Full Frame makes no sense. But a lot of Very Serious Photo Enthusiasts think they need Full Frame. And CaNiSony marketing wants you to buy FF.

Do you shoot landscape and print really, really HUGE ??? Then you need something like a Nikon D800E. At 13x19 even a pro-pixl-peeper will have a hard time telling what camera was used (M4/3, APS-C or FF).

But people have the right to buy what they want and not what they need.

I agree with both statements. In fact, I think they are a little conservative. The advantages of full frame sensors are purely in the margins (high ISO, wall-sized prints, extremely narrow depth-of-field shots).

I never understand those who think that one format will supplant the other. It's like suggesting that a four-door sedan makes a sporty two-door coupe obsolete. Different models, different purposes. No doubt People fail to understand that Canon and Nikon don't want us to pick one model over another, they want us to have one of each.

Software & Accessories / Re: Nik Software worth it?
« on: March 25, 2013, 08:26:55 PM »
Thanks for pointing this out. Even though I just upgraded my OnOne's Perfect Photo Suite, I decided that at this price, I couldn't pass this up. There is overlap, but this way I can choose the program which is best for what I'm looking for.

Canon General / Re: A Camera Walks Into a Bar, Scary Review
« on: March 24, 2013, 11:33:33 AM »
The rest of the story:

After a drink or two, Nikon and Canon head to their homes in the suburbs. They have a good laugh on the train ride home as they think about the guys sitting in the corner, still living in their mom's basements without much hope of ever getting a date, much less finding a wife.

Then their thoughts turn to Leica. Some people are jealous of him, but really, to them he's just an object of pity any more. He was once married to the most beautiful and desirable woman on the planet, a real Looker, she was more exciting than Life itself, no one could Match her and she never uttered a Stern word. But, alas, she died decades ago and poor Leica has never been the same. Now he has to content himself with the company of those with more money than brains, movie stars and others. Sometimes they don't even know enough to take his lens cap off.

Nikon and Canon smile. They know they've put on a few pounds and when they look in the mirror in the morning they are surprised at how much hair they have lost and how many wrinkles they have gained. They once dreamed of a life as jet-setters and even had a taste of it, but they were born too late. Still, as they walk through the doors of their safe, suburban homes, they think of their loving wives and happy children and realize that even if this isn't the life they once imagined, it's a pretty good one just the same.

But...that Fuji kid, he is a hard one to figure out. His family made their fortune in an industry that is now dead, yet they managed to survive and prosper while others hit the skids. Nikon and Canon aren't quite sure if he comes calling on their daughters, should they welcome him in or should they stand at the door with a shotgun?

EOS Bodies / AFMA – Easy or Not
« on: March 22, 2013, 04:29:02 PM »
Okay, another thread had degenerated into like 10 pages of arguments over why Rebels need to have micro-adjust settings. (Actually "degenerated" is a relative term since the thread was pretty much at the bottom of the barrel to begin with, but that's another issue)

Anyway, at least one individual says doing a micro adjustment is easy and can be done on the fly while shooting, simply using any clearly delineated object (crack on a wall, blade of grass). That seems surprising to me, as I read numerous other threads here on the "best" system for adjusting lenses and most seem to require a pretty extensive set up with resolution charts, very bright lighting, rock-solid tripod, etc. etc. There is even a software program that has been promoted by many on this site as an aid to doing micro-adjustments.

Full disclosure here: I've never felt compelled to do any adjustment on my 7D. Maybe I'm just lucky with lenses. Maybe because I usually stop down. Maybe because I'm usually shooting with my 15-85, or my 70-300 L or 100-400 L and the depth of field compensates for any small differences in focusing plane. Maybe because the smaller sensor offers better apparent depth of field. Maybe because I've gotten pretty good at using Photoshop to increase apparent sharpness. Or maybe I'm just damn good.

So, which is it? Easy to do on the fly or four hours of my life I'll never get back setting up lights, tripod, camera, charts? 

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D, DIGIC 6 & 18mp Sensors
« on: March 20, 2013, 07:01:18 PM »
A new sensor! Oh no. What will people whine about now?

No worry, for some folks nothing Canon will ever do will be enough.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel T5i Leaks
« on: March 20, 2013, 02:55:57 PM »
I suspect everyone is fixated on it for two reasons.  First, in general, it's easy to measure sensor performance and plot the data or reduce the data to a single 'score'.  Second, in particular on CR forums, it's an area where Canon is not leading, and some people like to create a stir by beating on that horse (we sometimes call them trolls...).

You are correct as usual – EXCEPT – is it really "an area where Canon is not leading?" Or is this troll-fueled internet forum conventional wisdom?

How is Canon behind in its full frame sensors? Canon has taken a different path in that Canon has decided to go for high ISO performance instead of higher megapixels (which, by the way is what the conventional internet forum wisdom was clamoring for prior to the release of the 5DIII). But, a different path isn't falling behind, it's a different path and one, frankly, that I prefer. Truth is, I don't really need either a lot more megapixels or a lot higher ISO, but if I'm going to get one, I'll take higher ISO.

As for APS-C, Canon's flagship camera still uses a sensor that is better and newer than Nikon's flagship APS-C, so how is that falling behind? Nikon has put some interesting higher resolution sensors in their consumer models and maybe Canon is dragging their feet a bit in releasing their own versions, but it's hardly the end of the world. The higher megapixels do nothing for me and frankly the high ISO performance of the sensors Nikon is using is unimpressive, especially when you consider they are competing against Canon's nearly four-year-old sensor.

But, even if one believes the competitors have moved ahead slightly, how is that bad? Products only improve when competitors offer something better or different. Canon wants my money and when they release the next product I want, they will get it. In the meantime, I'm not going to take it personally and act like the sky is falling.

Canon General / Re: website concept: proSLRs.com
« on: March 20, 2013, 02:08:04 PM »
The nice thing about the internet is that all sites are a work in progress. The bad thing about the internet is that all sites are a work in progress.

Basically, what I mean is that the cost of entry is cheap and it is easier to modify your product to adapt to the demand than it is in traditional print media. The downside is that it is so easy and cheap to launch a website that people often fail to recognize how much time and effort must be invested in making a site a success.

If you really have a base of photographers who have the time to write reviews, are engaging writers and don't ask for any financial return at the outset, then you don't really have much to lose other than your own time and a few hundred dollars for hosting and url registration.

Monetizing the site could be another matter, but you won't know until you try. Be prepared, however, to
1) make accommodations to advertisers if you do want to make the site self-supporting. It's nice to say "No banner ads" when no one wants to advertise on your site anyway. But, it won't be so easy if the site is a success and you will be turning away revenue;

2) Devote yourself to the site instead of your photography. It's not that you can't do both, but make a generous estimate of the amount of time you think the site will require and then multiply it by about 10x. Can you devote 2-3 hours a day to the site, every day, seven days a week?

A site with news content of any sort is not like a portfolio site. You have to feed the monster and that means every day. The ever-changing content on the forum and the interactivity among forum participants keep people coming to CR during the long stretches between any actual "news." If you aren't offering daily content, even if you get viewers, you won't keep them.

So, sure, give it a try if you have the resources to do it. But be realistic about things. Expect it to take a few years and thousands of hours of dedicated effort to get off the ground.

On the plus side though, the cost of failure is also low. Try it for six months and if you haven't found the right niche or conclude you will never find the right niche, you can always kill it off. Think of the millions of blogs out there that never get updated.

Lenses / Future of STM and USM
« on: March 19, 2013, 09:51:09 PM »
While there is a lot of chatter over the new Canon bodies, I'm kind of surprised there isn't much discussion of the new 18-55 STM lens.

Not this particular model, but the fact that Canon has introduced their third STM lens. From what I understand, STM is targeted to video (smoother focusing) while USM is best for still photos. Anyone disagree with that? Is STM the wave of the future or will we eventually see USM and STM models of all lenses?

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