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Just a few comments about the South Rim of the Grand Canyon.

There is a reason why it is is crowded. It wouldn't be if it wasn't worth seeing. Along that same line. There is also a reason why they put El Tovar and the other lodges where they did. That's where the best views are. Main advantage is: you can roll out of bed a little before sunrise, walk outside the hotel to the edge of the Canyon and get all set up in the few minutes. Same thing at sunset.

Just don't make the mistake that most tourists do. They all point their cameras in the direction of the sunrise in the morning and sunset at night. But, the real light show is in the opposite direction, as the sun bounces off the canyon walls.

This morning (Aug. 27) Canon put the 70-300 L on the refurbished list at 15% off (Final Price 1,087.) That's the first time this lens has ever shown up on the list. (I had been waiting and waiting, until finally breaking down and buying new last Spring -- but got an excellent price from Adorama on a one-day promotion so no regrets)

Anyway, it was still there a few minutes ago. Act fast and you might get lucky.

Big question is whether or not a 5DII will even be available if a new "entry-level" full frame is announced.

Look at what happened to the 580 EXII. New ones are almost impossible to find and the price has gone up well above what it was before the announcement of the 600 EX. I don't know if Canon bought back the old stock or what, but they seem to have done a pretty good job of scrubbing them from the market. (B&H seems to be about the only major retailer who still lists them in stock – if you want to pay more than what they cost at introduction.)

Granted, strobes are not cameras, but if I were sure I wanted a new 5DII, regardless of what the entry-level full frame camera might be like, I think I'd be shopping now. If you are not sure, you better resign yourself to accept that new 5DIIs could be impossible to find once a new full frame camera is announced. If you are willing to wait a year or more after the introduction of the mystery full framer and buy used, the price might go down. But then, you'll be buying technology that is at least five, and possibly six, years old at that point.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Cheap Camera Ideas...worth it?
« on: August 23, 2012, 05:23:00 PM »
Come on guys, he says she's not that into photography, already has the 18-55mm. and you're recommending the 50mm. prime and the 40mm. pancake...

A brand new EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II costs $199 at amazon.com and it will definitely broaden her options.
Considering the fact that beginners tend to be attached to teles more, she might even get deeper into photography.

Exactly. The 55-250mm may be the best bargain in Canon's lineup (50mm 1.8 is a close second, but for different purposes).

The little zoom is sharp and light. For travel, it will fit the bill very nicely.

Canon General / Re: Adorama issues anyone? Ever try to return a product?
« on: August 23, 2012, 02:03:11 PM »
With Texas Badger's positive comment, I think it is now time for the administrators to lock this thread down. It is going nowhere.

I applaud Helen's patience, but a extended debate over one company's business model vs. another company's business model doesn't seem all that productive.

It's more than a bit ironic that this thread started out as a screed against a company's customer service (with no details as to what the issue supposedly was) and now it has degenerated into a lecture on why companies with brick and mortar stores and real employees and who already compete aggressively on pricing ought to be offering free return shipping just because a company whose business model is built on avoiding taxes, avoiding infrastructure investment and avoiding investment in human capital does so. Frankly, as a customer, I don't want to subsidize the whims of other customers who order products they don't want and then think that their fickleness ought to be subsidized by responsible and reliable customers.

Or maybe the point is that companies that sell used equipment ought to be offering higher prices to sellers of used equipment, regardless of whether or not those prices would allow them to make a profit. It's gotten a little hard to tell exactly what the complaint is, if there is one.

I share TexasBadger's enthusiasm for Adorama and have been in that camp for more than 30 years. It's fine if others disagree, but must we continue this pointless debate?

Time to shut this one down.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« on: August 21, 2012, 09:45:24 AM »
This sounds a lot like the 5D HD I've been predicting for months.

Same body, same price-point as the 5D III, but with an upsized and slightly improved 7D sensor. Take your choice: high ISO and frame rate in the 5DIII or high resolution but lower ISOs and frame rate in the 5D HD (high definition). At the same $3,500 price point as the 5DIII, it remains competitive with the D800, but doesn't undercut the 5DIII.

The 5DIII was targeted to event and wedding photographers who need clean images at higher ISOs. They won't be upset when this surfaces.

As for those worried about the ability of "L" lenses to resolve 46 mp, that's the same density as the 7D sensor.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Mirrorless Future
« on: August 20, 2012, 06:30:52 PM »
may eventually be replaced, but that will only happen when something actually with better marketing comes along.
There, unfortunately —fixed.

I always find it deliciously ironic when photographers complain about marketing. With the possible exception of a few narrow scientific research applications, photography is nothing but marketing.

Wedding photography: marketing; Sports photography: marketing; Fashion photography: marketing; Nature photography: marketing; Photojournalism: marketing; Art photography: marketing; Portraits: marketing. It's all marketing, all the way down.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Mirrorless Future
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:27:46 PM »
What utter tosh!

Maybe my irony radar is switched off but come on!

The SLR form is perfectly braced for hand held shooting, mirrorless with live view is not.

That's before you get under the hood.

For the folk who need WLF's nothing other than a WLF will do, for the folks who need an SLR form, nothing else will do, for the folk who like rangefinders, nothing else will do.  Part function, part form, part technology.

Everybody want to kill off DSLRs, yet nobody really wants to buy into mirrorless.

Get your stories straight and stick to them.

Exactly. The OP has wandered deep into tin-foil hat territory. The conspiracy theories about companies taking advantage of customers get to be a little old. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to buy a camera. Only in government-controlled economies can manufacturers withhold technology or attempt to dictate what the consumer is allowed to buy. And, as can be seen by the collapse of the Soviet Union and China's de-facto turn to capitalism, it doesn't even work very well in government-controlled economies.

Okay, someday we all may move to an alternative form factor that improves on the DSLR. But, let's face it, the current state of mirrorless cameras are little more than electrified versions of 19th century view cameras. The major improvement being that the image is right-side up. Given the current state of development, the ergonomics of mirrorless cameras cannot come close to that of SLRs.

There are reasons why SLRs have been the preferred format of serious photographers for well over 50 years. Just because some technology is declared to be "new" doesn't make it better. DSLRs may eventually be replaced, but that will only happen when something actually better comes along.

Will mirrorless bodies displace SLRs, or will they be the Instamatics of the 21st century? Right now, I would bet on the latter.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« on: August 19, 2012, 10:39:32 PM »
24 mp seems a bit high, given that the 5DIII and 1DX both have fewer. But, that may be wishful thinking on my part. I'd be excited with 18 mp and clean ISO up to 1600-3200.

I suppose since Nikon is now marketing an entry-level camera with 24 mp, Canon may need to respond, but given the test results of the Nikon, it doesn't appear that the extra megapixels are worth the higher noise.

I never bought the idea that the 70D would replace the 7D, although I agree it seems unlikely we'll see a 7DII before the end of the year (Unless, of course, Nikon releases its D300 replacement soon.)

Anyway, other than the mp count, I'd could get excited about this.

Canon General / Re: Adorama issues anyone? Ever try to return a product?
« on: August 15, 2012, 06:38:37 PM »
I've been dealing with Adorama for 30 years. Never had a problem.

I don't return much, because I usually know exactly what I want when I order, but I did recently return some items that weren't quite what I was expecting. (Not Adorama's fault, they just weren't quite what I wanted). No problem. They quickly credited my card and emailed me saying they had done so. No questions asked.

What problem are you having. Helen monitors this site pretty well. If it's a legit problem I'm guessing she'll straighten it out for you.

EOS Bodies / Re: Has anyone bought from Primotronix?
« on: August 15, 2012, 06:33:17 PM »
Agree with Markoe, but just out of curiosity, where are you finding those prices? I went to their website and the 70-200 listed at that price is the Mark I version. I'm not seeing any 5D IIs or IIIs at the price you mention.

All their other prices seem pretty much in line with other retailers.

Lenses / Re: What lenses do you own?
« on: August 15, 2012, 03:54:10 PM »
I'll play along. All are used on a 7-D.

Tokina EF-S 11-16 f2.8: Great lens. Impressive performance and build quality.

Canon 50mm f 1.8: Nifty-Fifty is so cheap there is no reason not to own one.

Canon EF-S 15-85mm: My main lens. On the camera 90% of the time. Perfect for walk-around. Very sharp. I find the extra 2-3 mm at the wide end critical.

Canon 100 mm Macro L: Sure, the macro is very cool, but with the IS it is an excellent short telephoto lens as well. Even works nicely for portraits if you can step back a ways.

Canon 70-300 mm L: When this lens first came out, I couldn't figure out why anyone would buy it. Shorter than the 100-400mm, not as fast as the 70-200 2.8 and ridiculously overpriced. But, I kept being drawn to this lens and finally, this spring I went for it during a one-day Adorama sale. Glad I did. Most days, I can put the 15-85 on my 7D and slip this in the camera bag and know that I will be covered for almost anything.

Canon 100-400 mm L: I like to shoot wildlife and birds on occasion. I rented this lens once and the lust started. I tired the 300 f4 with teleconverter and the 400 5.6 L. Decided I liked this the best. I kept hoping for a II version, but got impatient. When I saw that the price would likely double, I was glad I'd decided to stick with this one. Bought it through the Canon refurbished store on a 15% off sale. I don't use it as much as I should, but when I do, I love it.

Lenses I've owned and either got rid of or don't use anymore:

70-300 non-IS consumer grade version: soft, soft, soft. Only good thing about it was that it was cheap.

55-250 EF-S IS: Next to the nifty-fifty Canon's best bargain lens. Sure, it's made out of plastic and feels like it. But, it is incredibly sharp and really, isn't that what is most important in a lens? If you can't afford the 70-300 "L" and want a telephoto for your crop camera, you can do a lot worse than this baby.

70-300 Tamron IS: I bought this lens because I couldn't justify the 70-300 "L" at the time. For the price, it's a great lens. Better than the Canon 70-300 IS non-"L", at about half the cost. But, I was just never really satisfied with it. No sharper than the 55-250mm and seemed to have occasional issues with autofocus not being able to find the target.

580 EX II (2) & 430 EXII: Love these strobes. Younger photographers have no clue how frustrating and random it was shooting with strobes before the perfection of ETTL and digital. Guess at the exposure, remember to change the shutter speed to 1/60th, Be sure to always carry an extra cord because if you looked at it crossways it quit working, hope your battery pack holds a charge for at least 15 minutes and then pray that when you develop the film you actually get something.

Okay, that's my true confession.

This post is out of control. All the OP wants to know is if he can get the tripod for less than what he found. That's not a crime. I don't care if you're a professional, amateur, hobbyist, rich, poor, you should still be looking for the best deal. No one wants to feel like they spent more money than they have too. The OP didn't ask our advice on what tripod to purchase or if his financial situation and income justify the purchase. He's just looking to save a buck. Let's all take a deep breathe and answer the man's question.

+1 or more. The poor guy/gal asked a simple question. No need to berate him/her for that. I did a quick internet check. Doesn't appear to be any likelihood of scoring a discount. In fact their website says point-blank they don't give discounts (even for members of professional organizations).

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D in October? [CR1]
« on: August 09, 2012, 01:09:33 PM »
Keith at NL has had predictions of a 6D for a while now.  The 6D sounds reasonable, a FF body that sits between 7D and 5D MK III.  Canon needs to stop producing the old 21mp sensors and standardize on the new and much improved 22mp sensor which already has been optomized for the DigicV processor.
I'd expect to see fewer bells and whistles, lower top ISO, fewer AF points and simpler AF without the separate Digic IV to run it.  For many, it will be a huge step up, and much more affordable.
I even expect a touch screen, given the market these are aimed at.  Hybrid AF like the T4i would be nice, but if it requires a different sensor, its not going to happen..

All sounds reasonable. I see the 6D and 70D as essentially the same camera with different size sensors;  and the 7DII and 5DIII also similarly spec'd with different size sensors (sorry, no more APS-H). Saves development and possibly production costs, while giving consumers the maximum choice.

Only thing missing is the 5D HD (apprx 46 mp) which would be the same as the 5DIII but with a high-density sensor. Same price point as the 5DIII, and essentially the same camera, except with slower frame rate and lower maximum ISO.

We make the mistake of looking for a one-camera solution to our needs. Canon wants to sell us all at least two bodies.

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