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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announcements on April 23, 2013? [CR2]
« on: April 09, 2013, 05:46:37 PM »
But that is exactly the reason that has most people on this forum up in arms, they AREN'T keeping up with advancements in new technology, they are simply rereleasing the same camera over and over again in different configurations. The average consumer may not notice or even care, but we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans do!

Fine. But, 'we dedicated shooters and die hard Canon fans' make up an infinitesimal fraction of their market. The vast majority of dSLR buyers are 'average consumers'.

Yup!  when the vast majority of the people buying this body will not know what an AF point is, much less how to manipulate them, or know what a cross type point is you don't have to innovate too much...

Hate to say it, but the XXd line and the rebel line would benefit more from instagram filters than an updated sensor...

I must disagree with this condescending attitude. I think most DLSR buyers are buying the cameras because, for a variety of reasons, they are not satisfied with the quality of images they are getting from their iPhones, their fixed lens compacts or their point and shoots.

Rebel buyers are very likely to be price-limited, but that does not make them stupid or incompetent. They may be new to DSLRs, but there is something about the format that they find desirable. Traditionally, this has been the ability to change lenses, but there can be other factors, such as the larger sensor size, sharper lenses, viewfinder, etc., etc.

It would be a major mistake for any company to treat their customers as stupid and Canon hasn't become the industry leader by making mistakes.

Here is something that people just have a hard time accepting: Canon's 18mp sensor is very good. It is more than adequate for 99.9% of shooting conditions. Can it be improved? Of course. Will it be improved? Of course. But, even 3 1/2 years after introduction, it can hold it's own against the latest sensors used by Nikon. It is not that Rebel or XXD users are inept and therefore can be sold inferior goods. It's that the product is only inferior in the minds of a handful of people who get their jollies from looking for insignificant flaws.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announcements on April 23, 2013? [CR2]
« on: April 09, 2013, 10:03:03 AM »
Could someone please provide a list of sites or publications that have done side-by-side comparisons of Canon's 18mp sensor to the sensors being used in Nikon's new generation of crop-frame cameras.

There seem to be a lot of drama queens here who pontificate on how much better the new generation of Nkons are, but when I've looked at sample images, I either see no discernible difference or, at higher ISOs, a little bit better performance from Canon.

A handful of individuals on this site keep trashing the performance of the 18mp sensor and others are repeating it as fact. Since this is a site adored by gearheads, how about some objective third-party comparisons?

Site Information / Re: Love or Hate Canon Rumors Forum
« on: April 04, 2013, 08:20:51 PM »
I just want to make a quick clarification. I didn't start this thread to suggest any change would or should occur. I just thought it might be entertaining and maybe cathartic for people to share their likes and dislikes. Obviously if you look at the number of posts I have you can see that I am hooked.

Site Information / Love or Hate Canon Rumors Forum
« on: April 04, 2013, 01:24:31 PM »
I don't know how many times I've sworn I was going to just stop posting on this forum.

After about the 10,000th thread regurgitating the same talking points it all becomes a little too much. Then someone posts something interesting or insightful and I am hooked again.

Things I like:

1) It's truly an international forum. I like hearing the perspective of people from all over the world and feeling that in some small way I have a connection to those in other countries.

2) There are some very good professionals who take the time to participate and share their knowledge.

3) There are people willing to share their personal experience and advice on equipment purchases.

4) There are people who know far more about the technology of today's equipment than I will ever know or even care to know.

5) Occasionally I pick up usable tips.

Things I hate:

1) Reading 10 million threads all repeating the same talking points on issues like sensors, dynamic range, ISO performance, shadow detail, etc. etc. Most of which don't have the tiniest thing to do with the quality of an image.

2) A handful of obsessive individuals who hijack nearly every thread and repeat the same points over and over again, arguing over obscure issues that have nothing to do with the original subject.

3) Individuals who "critique" the photos others post, pointing out insignificant or non-existent "flaws" that only shows how little they themselves know about composition and what makes a compelling photograph.

4) Individuals who post pictures asking for critiques, not knowing that most of opinions they get on this forum will consist of very bad advice. (And then taking offense at the ill-informed critiques)

5) Moderators who are often too quick to hit the "delete" button.

6) Commenters who have no sense of humor themselves and can't abide anyone else having a sense of humor. 

I could go on, but that's a good start. How about others? What is it that makes you want to never again return to this site. And what is it that keeps bringing you back here?

below is an example of getting nice images without flagship...


Thanks for this post. Great reality check.

I am so tired of these constant threads that repeat the same arguments over and over again. People constantly bragging about the size of their sensors. Others complaining about how when they underexpose a black shirt in the shadows they get noise if they blow it up 300 times. Still others wanting to shoot at 2 million ISO. Others point their lens straight into the Sun. It goes on and on.

If the picture is interesting, nothing else matters.  Nothing.

EF-S 17-55 f2.8 IS


EF-S 15-85 IS (dont confuse this with the not so good 17-85)

the first gives much wider aperture availability and constant f2.8 which is very nice

the later is variable aperture and much slower but gives a wider wide end and much greater zoom range

they are similar prices
depending on which strengths you prefer either will be excellent

if you shoot alot of low light i would go with the first option if not so much and the greater zoom range is appealing go with the  second

Agreed. Both will give you significantly better quality. If you are in the U.S. the EF-S 15-85 is much cheaper. It is on my 7D about 80% of the time. If traveling, I take only this lens and my 70-300 "L" and can cover just about anything.

Others may disagree, but in my opinion, in the wide range, there aren't practical EF alternatives. (Both of these lenses are good enough that if you later move to full-frame they should have decent resell value. )

The amount of misinformation in this thread is well ... staggering

You might want to save this to your clipboard and just re-post it periodically. It pretty much summarizes the majority of threads on this site.

Canon General / Re: 24-70Mk2 fell off my 5DMk3 and smashed
« on: March 29, 2013, 06:03:29 PM »
I generally grip my camera with my thing and middle finger (left hand) around the zoom ring...

Great. Now that's a mental image I wish I didn't have!

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Test Camera [CR1]
« on: March 28, 2013, 02:27:15 PM »
I love this forum. It is so predictable.

Put out any set of specifications and the mob will immediately zero in on the weakest aspect and suddenly it becomes the Most-Important-Thing-in-the-World.

Frankly, as a 7D owner, and keeping in mind that this is CR1, I find this pretty encouraging.

Modest, incremental improvements to the new model. What do people expect? The 7D is a great camera and when does any company completely reinvent a successful product? (See all the many interchangeable "generations" of  iPhones)

Most 7D owners are hoping for a slight improvement in the sensor. We don't know anything about this sensor, but I find the idea of a small increase in mp count encouraging as I like the way Canon has been emphasizing quality over sheer megapixels in their full frame releases.

The construction of the 7D is already pretty solid, but better weathersealing is always a good thing in my book.

Keeping a CF card slot is also a positive to me. Dual card slots? Nice, but not a deal breaker and since this is CR1 who knows what that really means. After all, technically, the 5DIII has a single CF card slot too.

What's with all the angst over the 19pt autofocus? Again, we have no idea what that really means. 5DII owners used to whine about how they wanted the 7D autofocus system. Suddenly it's terrible? The existing 19 points are fine, I just wish the sampling was a little more accurate. As Neuro has often pointed out, one of the problems with autofocus points is that they actually sample an area larger than indicated in the viewfinder. I'd take 19 very accurate autofocus points over more points any day of the week.

Someone assumed the inclusion of GPS and WiFi means the end of the pop-up flash. Perhaps. I'm not surprised. Canon is moving away from the infrared controller system to its new RC strobes. Sadly, I never expected the next generation to offer on-board IR control. Besides, if you ever tried to use the IR control with the popup flash you know that it is frustratingly prone to overheating. Plus, there's that annoying design flaw that causes the pop-up mechanism to lock down.

All in all, I'd say that if this CR1 rumor turns out to be accurate, I won't be either surprised or disappointed.

EOS Bodies / Re: How to spend money
« on: March 27, 2013, 06:35:35 PM »
To each his own. Obviously you know you are lucky to have this problem and not snooty about it.

If it were me, I'd keep the 7D, buy a 5DIII and a 100-400 zoom, then pick out a great location to take my wife, where I could also use the cameras and lenses. Travel is ALWAYS a good investment in my book.

Lenses / Re: New 100-400 to Launch with EOS 7D Mark II [CR2]
« on: March 27, 2013, 11:33:14 AM »
If it comes in at about the same price as the Nikon, I won't be disappointed. That's much less than earlier predictions.

I'll hang on to my current 100-400 until the price settles in, compare the quality of the two and then decide if it's worthwhile or not. If the quality is similar to the 70-300 L it will be worth trading up. I actually feel like, for once, I'm in a good position. Glad I picked up the 100-400 when Canon had it in their refurbished store.

EOS Bodies / Re: Future of APS-C Given 6D Pricing
« on: March 27, 2013, 11:17:45 AM »
My crystal-ball tells me, that the 7DII will have a similar price tag as the 6D had at the beginning (2000-2300$), the 70D will come out somewhat below of what the 6D is at that time (1300-1500$). Both will be APS-C and maybe even share the sensor; the 7DII will have a much better AF-system and higher frame rate...

...The new APS-C senosr are damn good, and if Canon manages to make an even better one than Nikon has, then I don't see the reason to go FF. Especially since it is not only the camera that costs a little more, its just everything that gets more expensive (24-70 f2.8 of f4 lenses for 2000$/1400$, more expensive filters, a heavier and more expensive tripod do manage the aditional load)

My crystal ball says pretty much the same thing. I expect the 70D to come in at about the same $1,200 (U.S.) range as the D7100. That still leaves plenty of room for the 7D. I expect price at introduction to be about the same as the 6D, but they could well hold it to under $2,000.

Only question I have is whether or not they will share the same sensor.

With three sensors for three full frame bodies, there is some reason to believe that Canon could well put different sensors in the 70D and the 7D. (Perhaps a 24 MP sensor in the 70D and a 20 MP sensor in the 7D that offers a little less noise at higher ISOs.)

I think if we are honest, the new APS-C sensors are (will be) good enough for 98% of the people, no matter if there are 1500$ FF bodies or not.

For most people Full Frame makes no sense. But a lot of Very Serious Photo Enthusiasts think they need Full Frame. And CaNiSony marketing wants you to buy FF.

Do you shoot landscape and print really, really HUGE ??? Then you need something like a Nikon D800E. At 13x19 even a pro-pixl-peeper will have a hard time telling what camera was used (M4/3, APS-C or FF).

But people have the right to buy what they want and not what they need.

I agree with both statements. In fact, I think they are a little conservative. The advantages of full frame sensors are purely in the margins (high ISO, wall-sized prints, extremely narrow depth-of-field shots).

I never understand those who think that one format will supplant the other. It's like suggesting that a four-door sedan makes a sporty two-door coupe obsolete. Different models, different purposes. No doubt People fail to understand that Canon and Nikon don't want us to pick one model over another, they want us to have one of each.

Software & Accessories / Re: Nik Software worth it?
« on: March 25, 2013, 08:26:55 PM »
Thanks for pointing this out. Even though I just upgraded my OnOne's Perfect Photo Suite, I decided that at this price, I couldn't pass this up. There is overlap, but this way I can choose the program which is best for what I'm looking for.

Canon General / Re: A Camera Walks Into a Bar, Scary Review
« on: March 24, 2013, 11:33:33 AM »
The rest of the story:

After a drink or two, Nikon and Canon head to their homes in the suburbs. They have a good laugh on the train ride home as they think about the guys sitting in the corner, still living in their mom's basements without much hope of ever getting a date, much less finding a wife.

Then their thoughts turn to Leica. Some people are jealous of him, but really, to them he's just an object of pity any more. He was once married to the most beautiful and desirable woman on the planet, a real Looker, she was more exciting than Life itself, no one could Match her and she never uttered a Stern word. But, alas, she died decades ago and poor Leica has never been the same. Now he has to content himself with the company of those with more money than brains, movie stars and others. Sometimes they don't even know enough to take his lens cap off.

Nikon and Canon smile. They know they've put on a few pounds and when they look in the mirror in the morning they are surprised at how much hair they have lost and how many wrinkles they have gained. They once dreamed of a life as jet-setters and even had a taste of it, but they were born too late. Still, as they walk through the doors of their safe, suburban homes, they think of their loving wives and happy children and realize that even if this isn't the life they once imagined, it's a pretty good one just the same.

But...that Fuji kid, he is a hard one to figure out. His family made their fortune in an industry that is now dead, yet they managed to survive and prosper while others hit the skids. Nikon and Canon aren't quite sure if he comes calling on their daughters, should they welcome him in or should they stand at the door with a shotgun?

EOS Bodies / AFMA – Easy or Not
« on: March 22, 2013, 04:29:02 PM »
Okay, another thread had degenerated into like 10 pages of arguments over why Rebels need to have micro-adjust settings. (Actually "degenerated" is a relative term since the thread was pretty much at the bottom of the barrel to begin with, but that's another issue)

Anyway, at least one individual says doing a micro adjustment is easy and can be done on the fly while shooting, simply using any clearly delineated object (crack on a wall, blade of grass). That seems surprising to me, as I read numerous other threads here on the "best" system for adjusting lenses and most seem to require a pretty extensive set up with resolution charts, very bright lighting, rock-solid tripod, etc. etc. There is even a software program that has been promoted by many on this site as an aid to doing micro-adjustments.

Full disclosure here: I've never felt compelled to do any adjustment on my 7D. Maybe I'm just lucky with lenses. Maybe because I usually stop down. Maybe because I'm usually shooting with my 15-85, or my 70-300 L or 100-400 L and the depth of field compensates for any small differences in focusing plane. Maybe because the smaller sensor offers better apparent depth of field. Maybe because I've gotten pretty good at using Photoshop to increase apparent sharpness. Or maybe I'm just damn good.

So, which is it? Easy to do on the fly or four hours of my life I'll never get back setting up lights, tripod, camera, charts? 

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