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i want this .. i want such a canon camera!!

You will only complain once it comes that it should be cheaper, should be weatherproof,should have no AA filter, should have a titanium body, shoot 12 fps, 4K video, and satellite uplink. And all that after only reading the published specs.

There is no end to gear lust. and the complaining that goes with it.

Shame on you, markd61 for posting a comment that actually has to do with the subject of this thread!

Lenses / Re: Is there a best time to buy new lenses...?
« on: July 05, 2012, 12:39:26 PM »
Mt. Spokane is correct.

The pre-Christmas period is the most likely time for a good deal because companies may need to boost their sales figures at the end of the year and they also know that consumer's have their wallets open in countries with a tradition of buying at Christmas time.

Other useful advice: If in the U.S. watch the Canon refurbished store for deals. If you are lucky you may even score an extra discount at certain times of the year -- but lately the store has been sold out of most desirable lenses and you have to act fast when they do have a promotion.

Track prices at They have a graph below each lens description that shows the price trend. That will give you a good idea of the best prices you can expect and whether or not the lens price is trending upward or stable. If you see a deal that is at or near the historical bottom, go for it.

Be realistic. If the lowest price shown on canonpricewatch during the past year is $1,100, don't wait for it to hit $1,050. Study the graphs, because oftentimes the difference between the high price and low price may only be $50-$75. In the grand scheme of things, saving a few dollars isn't going to make a lot of difference.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: July 05, 2012, 10:31:13 AM »
I think Ken Rockwell also published a head-on comparison and the 5D3 won it based on useability alone.

(Apologies if this was already mentioned, didn't feel like reading all 26 pages of replies.  :o)

Great. Now we are going to get 26 pages of Ken Rockwell wars. :)

Lenses / Re: Which lenses to pick up next?
« on: July 05, 2012, 10:27:03 AM »
The 180mm focal length yields are noticeably more diffuse background blur than the shorter focal length macro lenses.

This leaves me scratching my head. What the heck are they talking about? With macro shooting the biggest problem can be getting sufficient depth of field to capture the entire object in focus. That's why so much of the really impressive macro work you see is done through focus stacking. Admittedly, I only own the 100 L Macro lens, but I've never found insufficient background blur to be an issue. I'm much more likely to want more, not less, depth of field.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon entry level FF vs D600
« on: July 05, 2012, 10:17:22 AM »
I think your specs are probably fairly close.

The rumored Nikon pricing has always seemed a bit optimistic to me. Only time will tell.

Whether Canon reuses the 5DII sensor and processor or goes for the 5DIII sensor and processor will, I think, depend on which is less costly from a manufacturing standpoint. Rather than maintain two production lines each for the sensor and processor, it may be less expensive to consolidate the production and use the same sensor and processor in both cameras.

Given Canon's history of handing their sensor down the model line, I wouldn't be surprised to see it share the same sensor as the 5DIII.

EOS Bodies / Re: How much will the 5d3 cost at the end of 2012?
« on: July 04, 2012, 03:31:50 PM »
This discussion of special deals, grey market, unofficial Canon dealers, etc., while interesting, is pretty much off-topic.

The original question excluded special deals, rebates, etc. The point being that what an individual retailer may be charging for the 5DIII says absolutely nothing about what Canon's pricing policy is. These prices don't reflect a drop in price by Canon, but simply an effort by individual retailers to snap up a few extra sales. (And quite possibly gouge consumers by "upselling" the customer with warranties, worthless accessories, etc.) Some of the links posted here clearly stated that they were selling bodies from kits that they had split into two, for another example.

These kinds of "deals" are always available with almost every body and don't have any bearing on Canon's pricing policies.

BTW, the D800 is #6 on Amazon's list and the 5DIII #10 as of a few minutes ago. (Both selling at their listed prices).  NO, that doesn't mean Nikon is "kicking Canon's butt" or anything of the sort. It means both are continuing to show remarkable sales. Both companies have got to be very happy and there is no reason why either manufacturer should feel any pressure to lower their prices.

Expect some decent deals around Christmas if they need to boost fourth quarter revenues, but don't hold your breath for significant or permanent price cuts.

Lighting / Re: Fauxtographer Ruins Olympic photos.
« on: July 02, 2012, 10:45:06 PM »
Before everyone gets too carried away, I'd like to know the full story.

The description sounds like this was a cattle call with a bunch of photographers each given a few minutes to shoot the athletes. (Can you say: Popular Photography "Model Shoot") Not defending this particular photographer, but I'd like to know more about the set up and who on the Olympics Committee decided a "shoot off" was a good idea.

At least with the "model shoot" the models know something about what they are doing. Here, you have athletes (not professional models) at a cattle call, most of whom look like they don't' want to be there. Criticize the photographer if you want, but I say the blame lies with the Olympic Committee.

Irony is, if they wanted something edgy and creative, they probably could have gotten people like Ryan McGinley, Stephen Shore, William Eggleston or Lee Friedlander to create some true art with the athletes. Now, those would be interesting.

EOS Bodies / Re: How much will the 5d3 cost at the end of 2012?
« on: July 02, 2012, 10:15:35 PM »
This supply demand curve will force canon to lower the price to $3k...IMO. 

Canon cannot afford the hemorrhage of photographers who will switch to Nikon and and all those new ones who are buying Nikon for the first time and not Canon.

What are you people smoking?

I just checked the Amazon best sellers list. As of 9 p.m. tonight the D800 was #8 and the 5DIII was #9. Those are incredible sales figures for both cameras. Especially, when you consider that they are bookended (at #7 and #10) by cameras that are under $600.

Both of these cameras are well on their way to becoming massive success stories for their respective companies. If you are going to make up sh*t, at least make it believable.

Lenses / Re: Good, inexpensive zoom lens? Beginner here.
« on: July 02, 2012, 03:40:42 PM »
I'm a newbie too and because the confidence is not there yet to buy used lenses, I've gone the refurbished route with Canon Direct Store to save money.  I got a virtually new Canon 15-85mm with a recent promotion of 20% off and free shipping.  With tax, the total is about $550 and I'm very happy with the quality of the lens. According to CanonRumors price watch, this lens goes for around $700 for new. I'm sure someone more savvy could get a better deal on Ebay or elsewhere, but for now, I'm very satisfed with the refurbished route and I hope that helps.

You may be a "newbie" but you are quite savvy if you are going the refurbished route with the extra promotional savings. People pay crazy prices on eBay to get a used lens "as is" with no warranty. Refurbished lenses have a warranty and you know Canon tech has tested them out.

EOS Bodies / Re: How much will the 5d3 cost at the end of 2012?
« on: July 02, 2012, 03:34:30 PM »
For example, I infer that initial sales of the new 600EX-RT were not as strong as expected, and that's why it was added to the current rebate program (unusual for a newly-released product).

Unfortunately the 600rt wasn't added to the european cash-back program, even though all other flashes have a rebate :-(  ... maybe eu customers are more keen on bleeding edge tech? Anyway, I would think that the 600rt sales are good because the used 580ex2 price has dropped so much, and imho this means people are upgrading.

Honestly, I don't consider a $30 rebate a sign of anything.

Lenses / Re: Good, inexpensive zoom lens? Beginner here.
« on: July 02, 2012, 03:26:33 PM »
If your primary interest is video, then consider the new EF-S 18-135, which seems to be optimized for video with the t4i.

The best available low-cost long zoom is the newer Tamron 70-300mm VC for about $350. It's no "L" lens, but it is sharper and cheaper than the Canon 70-300mm IS consumer lens.

Also, don't dismiss the 55-250mm EF-S lens. It is very sharp, although the build quality is less than stellar and it doesn't have USM (which means it focuses more slowly, but not noticeably so under most circumstances).  For the price, it can't be beat. Next to the 50mm f 1.8 it is probably the best lens bargain Canon offers.

Thinking about this a little more, I really would recommend waiting until the 18-135mm comes out and there have been some reviews on the lens. For your purpose (video) it might be worth the wait and extra money. It has the advantage of a moderate wide angle to moderate telephoto zoom range, which you can't get with any of the other lenses.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Mirrorless Information [CR1]
« on: July 02, 2012, 01:51:47 PM »
Disappointment... :-[

BTW, Does anyone know what the crop factor would be on the sensor?

1.85x, I think.

Along this same line. I've never known if the G1X sensor is any different than the 18mp APS-C sensor chopped down to a slightly different aspect ratio. Any of the techies out there able to offer some insight?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mk III vs D800/E, is the 5D3 better at anything?
« on: July 02, 2012, 11:01:54 AM »
I recently read side-by-side reviews in a consumer photo magazine.

Their tests matched what I expected. The D800 is superior in resolution, but starts to fall apart at ISO 1600. The 5DIII's resolution can't match the D800, but at 1600 and above, Canon clearly outperforms the D800.

So, basically, pay your money and take your pick. If you want really big prints and don't play in the high ISO area, choose the Nikon. If you need high ISO performance and you aren't printing murals, pick the 5DIII.

EOS Bodies / Re: How much will the 5d3 cost at the end of 2012?
« on: July 02, 2012, 10:53:33 AM »
I said $3,500, as I think that will remain the list price. But, I do expect Canon to offer a rebate of $150-$200 for the holidays. Maybe double the rebate if you buy a lens. So, street price could be a little lower.

Software & Accessories / Re: Are lens skins worth it?
« on: July 02, 2012, 10:46:58 AM »
If you ask people who have bought them, they'll probably say they are worth it. If you ask people who haven't, they'll say they aren't. No surprise there.

I fall into the "not worth it" category. To me, they are little like a "Car Bra."  If you want to protect your lens/car so that it is pristine for the next owner that a nice gesture, but I'm not that considerate.

On the other hand, keep in mind that once you've invested in a DSLR and start lugging around a camera bag with two or three spare lenses, you have already crossed the line into dorkdom. Once you are on this side of the line, a lens skin isn't going to make you any more or less of a dweeb. So, if you think they look cool, go ahead.

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