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EOS Bodies / Re: Time from Announcement to Release
« on: August 29, 2012, 04:03:12 PM »
While I'm usually all for renting, I'd suggest you do the math.

14 day rental of the 5DIII will run you about $400 (with damage waiver and you definitely don't want to rent without the waiver).

Ask yourself which is the better deal: Rent the 5D or pick up a refurbished 7D ($1,360) or 60 D ($800) and sell it later when a new model comes out. If you think you can sell the 7D or the 60D for more than the price less rental, you could be money ahead buying. Plus you'll both have cameras until the next model comes out.

One more thing to be aware of at Grand Canyon. This is one of the few places in the country where you are might see California Condors. Like the tourists, they frequent the South Canyon rim near the grand hotels, so if they happen to be in the vicinity, you have a good chance of seeing one. Stop at the ranger station and ask about sightings.

One cool thing about them is that every adult is tagged. So if you do get lucky and get a shot of one, you can look him or her up on the internet and find out its life history.

Finally, after you are done getting your shots from the rim, look away from the canyon and study the nearby trees. You are likely to see mule deer grazing.

Good luck and enjoy.

Third Party Manufacturers / How much is too much?
« on: August 28, 2012, 10:42:10 AM »
PhotoRumors guy is reporting the next Sony a99 will have 102 autofocus points. This got me thinking – are we getting into overkill here?

Granted, it's not even been released yet, so there is no way to know just how good or bad the autofocus will be. But, I have to wonder if we are getting to the point of diminishing returns here. Are 102 autofocus points better than 61 points?

Is this the next form of megapixel wars? "Your 1DX has a mere 61 autofocus points while we have 102."

Realistically, how many autofocus points can be crammed into the space and do they, at some point, begin to make the focusing worse, not better.

Just something I'd like to hear opinions on from those who understand this sort of thing more than I do.

Interesting. I've thought about this lens, as well as the sigma 150 macro OS. Glad to hear from someone who owns one and likes it. Sigma takes a lot of grief on these forums for inconsistency. I honestly don't know how much of that is real and how much urban myth or past lack of quality control.

It does seem as though Sigma announces lenses and then seems to have a hard time getting them to market. (Although lately, Canon's record hasn't been so great on that front either.)

I'm glad to see any manufacturer producing quality lenses, as it forces Canon and Nikon to be more competitive.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« on: August 27, 2012, 07:59:13 PM »
I believe there are many 'very good' (to 'great'!) EF-S lenses (and lenses from other lens manufacturers that are designed around a crop body).

The Canon 15-85mm USM IS is my most used lens, it's very versatile with it's zoom range, has great IQ, built well (better than the 17-55mm USM IS) and the USM & IS features are cream on the cake...

...For reach, I have the Canon 70-300mm L USM IS, which equates to 480mm in 35mm format. I love this lens... particularly what it can achieve on a APS-C.  ;)...

...Love live the 7D... and here's hoping to some nice improvements in the 7DmkII... which will stay APS-C by the way!   8)



Paul raised a good point. When the 70-300 "L" was introduced, Canon very clearly marketed it to APS-C cameras (as well as full frame). Same (but less successfully) with the 8-15 Fisheye. If anyone goes back and looks at the announcements of these lenses, it was clear that they were being marketed both for full frame and 7D owners.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: 5D MK III Lowest price?
« on: August 27, 2012, 04:27:25 PM »
They have re-listed the Mark III at $3,120.

From their disclaimer (emphasis added):

Our products are covered by a warranty of 1 years parts and 90 days for labor. Due to our very low low prices, we are prevented from listing our items with manufacturer warranty. Rest assured, our products are the same as if you bought in stores

Please be aware that while all items we sell are brand new and never used, there are instances where we deliver the camera body (and box contents) in a box which originally included the camera and the lens. Please be reassured that the package that you received is brand new, never used, and comes with full documentation.

Just a few comments about the South Rim of the Grand Canyon.

There is a reason why it is is crowded. It wouldn't be if it wasn't worth seeing. Along that same line. There is also a reason why they put El Tovar and the other lodges where they did. That's where the best views are. Main advantage is: you can roll out of bed a little before sunrise, walk outside the hotel to the edge of the Canyon and get all set up in the few minutes. Same thing at sunset.

Just don't make the mistake that most tourists do. They all point their cameras in the direction of the sunrise in the morning and sunset at night. But, the real light show is in the opposite direction, as the sun bounces off the canyon walls.

This morning (Aug. 27) Canon put the 70-300 L on the refurbished list at 15% off (Final Price 1,087.) That's the first time this lens has ever shown up on the list. (I had been waiting and waiting, until finally breaking down and buying new last Spring -- but got an excellent price from Adorama on a one-day promotion so no regrets)

Anyway, it was still there a few minutes ago. Act fast and you might get lucky.

Big question is whether or not a 5DII will even be available if a new "entry-level" full frame is announced.

Look at what happened to the 580 EXII. New ones are almost impossible to find and the price has gone up well above what it was before the announcement of the 600 EX. I don't know if Canon bought back the old stock or what, but they seem to have done a pretty good job of scrubbing them from the market. (B&H seems to be about the only major retailer who still lists them in stock – if you want to pay more than what they cost at introduction.)

Granted, strobes are not cameras, but if I were sure I wanted a new 5DII, regardless of what the entry-level full frame camera might be like, I think I'd be shopping now. If you are not sure, you better resign yourself to accept that new 5DIIs could be impossible to find once a new full frame camera is announced. If you are willing to wait a year or more after the introduction of the mystery full framer and buy used, the price might go down. But then, you'll be buying technology that is at least five, and possibly six, years old at that point.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Cheap Camera Ideas...worth it?
« on: August 23, 2012, 05:23:00 PM »
Come on guys, he says she's not that into photography, already has the 18-55mm. and you're recommending the 50mm. prime and the 40mm. pancake...

A brand new EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS II costs $199 at and it will definitely broaden her options.
Considering the fact that beginners tend to be attached to teles more, she might even get deeper into photography.

Exactly. The 55-250mm may be the best bargain in Canon's lineup (50mm 1.8 is a close second, but for different purposes).

The little zoom is sharp and light. For travel, it will fit the bill very nicely.

Canon General / Re: Adorama issues anyone? Ever try to return a product?
« on: August 23, 2012, 02:03:11 PM »
With Texas Badger's positive comment, I think it is now time for the administrators to lock this thread down. It is going nowhere.

I applaud Helen's patience, but a extended debate over one company's business model vs. another company's business model doesn't seem all that productive.

It's more than a bit ironic that this thread started out as a screed against a company's customer service (with no details as to what the issue supposedly was) and now it has degenerated into a lecture on why companies with brick and mortar stores and real employees and who already compete aggressively on pricing ought to be offering free return shipping just because a company whose business model is built on avoiding taxes, avoiding infrastructure investment and avoiding investment in human capital does so. Frankly, as a customer, I don't want to subsidize the whims of other customers who order products they don't want and then think that their fickleness ought to be subsidized by responsible and reliable customers.

Or maybe the point is that companies that sell used equipment ought to be offering higher prices to sellers of used equipment, regardless of whether or not those prices would allow them to make a profit. It's gotten a little hard to tell exactly what the complaint is, if there is one.

I share TexasBadger's enthusiasm for Adorama and have been in that camp for more than 30 years. It's fine if others disagree, but must we continue this pointless debate?

Time to shut this one down.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 3D X [CR1]
« on: August 21, 2012, 09:45:24 AM »
This sounds a lot like the 5D HD I've been predicting for months.

Same body, same price-point as the 5D III, but with an upsized and slightly improved 7D sensor. Take your choice: high ISO and frame rate in the 5DIII or high resolution but lower ISOs and frame rate in the 5D HD (high definition). At the same $3,500 price point as the 5DIII, it remains competitive with the D800, but doesn't undercut the 5DIII.

The 5DIII was targeted to event and wedding photographers who need clean images at higher ISOs. They won't be upset when this surfaces.

As for those worried about the ability of "L" lenses to resolve 46 mp, that's the same density as the 7D sensor.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Mirrorless Future
« on: August 20, 2012, 06:30:52 PM »
may eventually be replaced, but that will only happen when something actually with better marketing comes along.
There, unfortunately —fixed.

I always find it deliciously ironic when photographers complain about marketing. With the possible exception of a few narrow scientific research applications, photography is nothing but marketing.

Wedding photography: marketing; Sports photography: marketing; Fashion photography: marketing; Nature photography: marketing; Photojournalism: marketing; Art photography: marketing; Portraits: marketing. It's all marketing, all the way down.

EOS Bodies / Re: The Mirrorless Future
« on: August 20, 2012, 04:27:46 PM »
What utter tosh!

Maybe my irony radar is switched off but come on!

The SLR form is perfectly braced for hand held shooting, mirrorless with live view is not.

That's before you get under the hood.

For the folk who need WLF's nothing other than a WLF will do, for the folks who need an SLR form, nothing else will do, for the folk who like rangefinders, nothing else will do.  Part function, part form, part technology.

Everybody want to kill off DSLRs, yet nobody really wants to buy into mirrorless.

Get your stories straight and stick to them.

Exactly. The OP has wandered deep into tin-foil hat territory. The conspiracy theories about companies taking advantage of customers get to be a little old. No one is holding a gun to anyone's head to buy a camera. Only in government-controlled economies can manufacturers withhold technology or attempt to dictate what the consumer is allowed to buy. And, as can be seen by the collapse of the Soviet Union and China's de-facto turn to capitalism, it doesn't even work very well in government-controlled economies.

Okay, someday we all may move to an alternative form factor that improves on the DSLR. But, let's face it, the current state of mirrorless cameras are little more than electrified versions of 19th century view cameras. The major improvement being that the image is right-side up. Given the current state of development, the ergonomics of mirrorless cameras cannot come close to that of SLRs.

There are reasons why SLRs have been the preferred format of serious photographers for well over 50 years. Just because some technology is declared to be "new" doesn't make it better. DSLRs may eventually be replaced, but that will only happen when something actually better comes along.

Will mirrorless bodies displace SLRs, or will they be the Instamatics of the 21st century? Right now, I would bet on the latter.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specs? [CR1]
« on: August 19, 2012, 10:39:32 PM »
24 mp seems a bit high, given that the 5DIII and 1DX both have fewer. But, that may be wishful thinking on my part. I'd be excited with 18 mp and clean ISO up to 1600-3200.

I suppose since Nikon is now marketing an entry-level camera with 24 mp, Canon may need to respond, but given the test results of the Nikon, it doesn't appear that the extra megapixels are worth the higher noise.

I never bought the idea that the 70D would replace the 7D, although I agree it seems unlikely we'll see a 7DII before the end of the year (Unless, of course, Nikon releases its D300 replacement soon.)

Anyway, other than the mp count, I'd could get excited about this.

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