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Lenses / Re: Lens advice please?...Would you rather have...
« on: April 10, 2012, 04:35:52 PM »
Is your 5DIII your only body? Do you rent a second when you shoot the wedding?

Shooting a wedding with one body is really dangerous. If it fails on you during the wedding, the legal fees and damage to your reputation will make the price of a second body seem insignificant. If you don't already have a backup body, that would be my first purchase, even if it's a 60D or a Rebel.

Lenses / Re: Why is Canon so slow updating (legacy) lenses?
« on: April 10, 2012, 01:49:55 PM »
Didn't vote.

I don't know anything about optics, but I suspect that lenses don't get updated all that often because the technology is fairly stable. There may be incremental design improvements, but lenses are at heart physical tools for gathering and directing light. They seem to be governed by the laws of physics, which don't get changed very often (as opposed to electronics).

Besides, I used to want to see new lenses, but since each "II" version seems to require at least a doubling or even tripling of the price, I'm much less interested. Good example: I really wanted to get a new version of the 100-400 zoom, but when I learned the replacement would be $3,000, I lost interest.

What difference does it make if a lens is updated if the updated version is far beyond what I am willing to pay?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: The funniest 5Dm3 User Review
« on: April 03, 2012, 04:21:31 PM »
The review is hilarious, but the angry remarks are even funnier.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: April 03, 2012, 03:51:03 PM »
There is plenty of room for an upgraded 7D.

The pricing on the 5D Mark III created the room. There are features that can be added within the current price of the 7D that will keep it selling fast and well loved. The 5D Mark II will be phased out in time and the if the 7D was not upgraded you would have a crater between the $900 60D APS-C and the $3,500 5D Mark III. Once the R&D is done on the features of the 5D Mark III and the 1D X Canon will monetize them by putting them judiciously in cameras that will sell more briskly. The XXD series will also get new features but the 7DII is great aspirational bridge they don't want to phase out.
This makes sense. The 7D should be updated with some of the features of the flagships while keeping the price affordable near its current range. The xxD line adds values at its price range around 1 K as a stepping stone and the Rebels can come in below for hobbyists and families on a budget. Is important to Canon to match people's aspirations with options that offer real value and performance differences.

Yes, this all makes sense. Since we are speculating here, I predict the following:

5D jr. (They will need a new name here.) Full frame "entry-level" Frankencamera.  Sensor: either current 5DII or 5DIII depending on whether it is cheaper to keep making the 5DII sensor or just up the volume of the 5DIII sensor. Canon likes to reuse sensors, so it makes sense to hand the 5D III sensor down to the "jr." Processor? Again, is it cheaper to keep making Digic IV or to use Digic V? I'm guessing Digic V. So, we could see a full frame "entry level" body with a new sensor and new processor, but keeping most of the other features of the 5DII. Price this in the $2,000 to $2,500 range. If all they do is change out the processor and sensor, it may not be much more expensive to manufacture than the current 5D.

7D II Modest autofocus improvements, improved sensor with better low-light performance and reduced noise. Sensor remains somewhere in the 18mp range. An 18mp APS-C sensor would likely enable Canon to use just one processor instead of two, cutting their  processor costs in half, while still boosting or maintaining the current frame rate. With three years of R&D under their belts, the image quality should be roughly equal to the 1D IV, enabling Canon to market the camera to wildlife and sports photographers as well as enthusiasts and prosumers. Priced between $1,600-$1,900 (this is a very competitive niche, so Canon is more price-restrained than with the 5DIII).

70D Will inherit the 7DII sensor after about 9 months to a year. Other modest upgrades to allow for room at the bottom end of the line for enhancements to the Rebels. Again, pricing will be determined primarily by the competitive marketplace, but likely will be similar to the current 60D.

7Dx: Pure speculation/dreaming on my part, but I still don't think we can rule out the possibility of an integrated gripped 7Dx with additional weathersealing and perhaps a higher frame rate, geared toward wildlife and sports photographers. As a successor to the 1D IV they have a lot of pricing flexibility here, but I will be conservative and say they keep it in the $2,500 range. High enough to make a tidy profit on the improvements, but low enough to entice enthusiasts with discretionary income.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7Dmk2 any rumors??
« on: April 03, 2012, 10:02:07 AM »
The announcement of the 60Da optimized for astro-photography should (But probably won't) put to rest the rumors of a 70D replacement for the 7D.

It is unlikely Canon would release a new variation in a body that they were planning to significantly upgrade in the next six months or so. The production efficiencies of using the 60D body for the new 60Da disappear if a significantly re-tooled 70D is released.

On the other hand, if the 7DII and 70D releases follow the previous schedule, Canon will have almost a year of production left in the 60D after the new 7D is announced. Plus, keeping both models means that the 70D can continue to use much of the same tooling, etc. as the 60D, allowing Canon it avoid having to keep a separate production line operating for the niche 60Da.

Repositioning the XX series once again never seemed to make much sense. I'm hoping the new 60Da will put that rumor to rest once and for all and let us focus on what is really important – fantasizing about what the 7DII might be like. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Shot wedding with 5DIII, dissapointed in AF
« on: April 02, 2012, 01:36:35 PM »
I'm a little amused at all the people on this thread trying to convince the original poster that it's all his fault and he just doesn't know what he is doing.

EOS Bodies / Re: The 7DmkII will it be a revolution or an evolution
« on: March 30, 2012, 11:43:26 PM »
It will be a revolution - the 7D will get the guilotine

Grow up. Your constant trolling on every discussion about the 7D is getting more than a bit tiresome. We all know you dislike the 7D. Your entitled to your opinion, but hijacking every discussion ruins it for others.

EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 30, 2012, 12:11:08 PM »
V8: Good post.

One thought: This isn't new with digital. I remember a lesson I learned back in the ancient 70s when I was a struggling newspaper photographer. The other photographer was a much better technician, but whenever we had to shoot a portrait of somebody for the paper, the subjects very seldom liked his pictures.

Eventually I figured out why that was. He spent so much time perfecting the lighting that he never paid any attention to the subjects. I was then, and still am a "seat of the pants" sort of guy. So, I'd get the lights up as simply as possible, usually with just a nice, soft umbrella, but all the time I was setting things up I'd talk to the person, find out what their story was, and just generally try to distract them and make them more comfortable.

The lesson I learned: Photography, like everything else is about 10% technical skill and 90% people skills. If you can't empathize with people, put yourself into their shoes and have a real interest in them, it usually comes across in your pictures.

I suspect that even if your business is taking beautiful images of incredible cars, you're still dependent on your people skills.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon smarter than we think
« on: March 29, 2012, 11:26:13 PM »
@unfocused.  Interesting observation sir!  It also seem to align with the fact Canon seem to have decised to segment the market in several buckets and come out with a specific camera for each bucket.  This is why I beleive we are seeing more model coming soon like a video specific model to sit between the C300 and the 5DmkIII for example (The famous 4k model) or the fact they will likely have a high MP model at one point.

Nikon seem to have taken a different approach with two major pro camera for all the segment (D800 and D4) where Canon might have 4-5 models in total when we are all said and done.

Will be interesting to see this one pan out!

The only people who appear to have been left out in the cold so far are wildlife shooters, through the loss of f/8 AF.  That makes me wonder if Canon has a plan in that segment. - Could the 4K DSLR be coming with an APS-H sensor (cropped to Super-35 for video) and f/8 AF to satisfy the market of (wildlife) documentary makers, working in the field under adverse conditions? - That would allow them to work with a single camera for video and stills.  Of course, that is total speculation!

I think the key difference here is volume. Even small towns of less than 5,000 or so have at least one or two wedding photographers (not necessarily just weddings of course). In a city of 100,000 there might be 20-30 (maybe more). But, how many wildlife photographers are there in a similar size city? (meaning people who earn their living shooting wildlife) Probably less than one.

My original point was that Canon knew the market and developed a product that would satisfy that market. Read some of the comments on these posts from wedding photographers. They seem to be very pleased with the Mark III.

As for further differentiation...I don't know enough about either the market or the relative cost of development to venture a guess what further differentiation would be worth the investment for Canon.

My original point was just a simple observation.  There has been a lot of self-obsessed complaining on the internets from people who didn't get exactly the camera they wanted. But, from a business perspective, it sure looks like Canon figured out a need and focused in on it with laser-like precision. I admire that kind of corporate skill.

EOS Bodies / Re: This web site is making me question why I lurk here
« on: March 29, 2012, 11:30:48 AM »
Aside from the snarky and superfluous comments about the pictures the some persons post here, there are some good points made in the original post. (Frankly I find the average quality of images posted here to be quite high)

I have watched Canon Rumors go through several experiments in reader feedback and perhaps a bit of history lesson is in order.

A few years back, CR was structured just like Nikon Rumors, allowing readers to comment on the blog posts directly. The result was pretty disastrous. Conversations not only went quickly off topic, but often degenerated into slurs and name calling that were an embarrassment to the site. I and others protested to CR Guy and he responded with the forum system. Not perfect, but it certainly helped significantly.

No secret, I was a fan of the Karma system. I felt it kept people in check and discouraged flame wars. I'm pretty sure we've seen a significantly deterioration in the site since the Karma was removed. (Sometimes little things do matter). 

Nonetheless, I am apparently in the minority. It's CR guys website and he decided to make a change based on user input. I think it was a mistake, but so be it.

The announcement of the 5DIII seems to have brought out all sorts of crazy. Perhaps its just a result of the pent up demand and inevitable disappointment by persons with unrealistic expectations. Hopefully things will settle down soon. One particular frustration is that everyone and his brother seems to feel the need to start a new forum thread with their every rant. Unfortunately, I don't see a good way to limit the number of threads or the ability of individuals to start a thread that would not destroy the democratic nature of this site. (Of course, this comes from someone who just started a new thread five minutes ago.)

I'm guessing I'll continue to check the site too many times during the day and continue to participate more frequently than I should. But, I do share some of the frustrations of the original post.

EOS Bodies / Canon smarter than we think
« on: March 29, 2012, 11:07:06 AM »
As the new 5DIII starts to appear in the real world I think I'm starting to get a better feel for Canon's strategy and, I must say, it seems pretty brilliant.

When Canon announced the 5DIII they placed a lot of emphasis in their announcement on the camera being the result of feedback from professional photographers. But, of course, "professional" is a very broad term that can cover a lot of very disparate specialties.

Now that we are seeing some examples of what the camera can do, it seems like they focused on one particular, but very large segment of the professional market – wedding and special event photographers.

Early examples seem to show a camera that performs very, very well at higher ISOs. Not necessarily in the stratosphere, but rather significant improvements in the 1600 to 6400 range. A range that I suspect many wedding photographers find themselves needing. The autofocus improvements, of course, benefit everyone, but event and wedding photographers don't get the chance to refocus their shots, so improved autofocus would certainly be beneficial.

At the same time, the camera is very well-equipped for ordinary studio work under controlled lighting situations. So, no compromises for studio work but more flexibility in the field. Not to mention some improvements in video for those who need to use it for that purpose as well.

Now, of course, the camera is great for other purposes as well, but it does seem to have some significant improvements that will benefit a large and very competitive segment of the professional photography market.

In short, what I am saying is that it seems as though Canon really did study their market closely and may have produced a camera that is intended to sell, rather than a camera that is intended to be popular on forum and testing sites.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2012, 06:56:18 PM »
Mentioned this elsewhere but it belongs more here. Remember, the DX mode of the D800 is a 16MP 1.5 crop mode, and by all accounts the image quality is pretty good. If we can get that in a 7D2 I know I'd be pretty happy... if it could do 8FPS and bump up the MP to 18.

It does seem the winds of change are running against crop sensors now, though...

I think crop sensors will be around for quite some time.

Convergence is happening of course – The incremental quality between full frame and APS-C is narrowing and I suspect that the incremental cost of producing APS-C and full frame is also narrowing. Still, there remains a difference and there probably will be one for quite some time. For the foreseeable future, I imagine it will remain cheaper to produce an APS-C sensor and the quality of the full frame sensor will continue to be slightly better. Just a matter of degrees.

In addition, I think the crop advantages of the APS-C sensor will remain hard to replicate in a full frame for quite some time. Cropping from a full frame is a compromise and at this point, not a very convenient one. There is no reason why the two cameras won't continue to co-exist for quite some time. Indeed, from the manufacturers' standpoint, they probably prefer to have both formats.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: March 27, 2012, 05:07:38 PM »
There is plenty of pricing and design room for a 7D Mark II. It would stay as the top prosumer camera. There are features that would make it attractive for action shooters that could be added w/out damaging any of the DSLR line: better low light performance (less noise), improved IQ, 61 AF metering system, match the 5D Mark III video, and a faster focusing system. I would be queued up right away at $1,600.

That sounds like way too many features to fit a $1600 price point. I think if they were to make a detuned aps-c version of the 5DmkIII it would have to be at least $2500. Also, with all those features and a $1600 price tag, don't you think that would hurt sales of 5DmkIII's and even 1DX's? There would be a ton of people choosing the 7D over a 5 or 1 series because they believe it's the better bang for your buck.

$1,600 is probably too aggressive, but I wouldn't be surprised to see something around $1,800-$2,000. Not necessarily with quite those specs, but some incremental improvements over the current model with most of the emphasis placed on sensor improvements.

As far as hurting sales of the 5DIII or 1Dx, Canon doesn't seem to be overly concerned about cutting into sales of one model with another. They would have never released the 5DIII with the features it has if they were worried about protecting the 1Dx.  And, look at the clustering of Rebels and the 60D – barely any differentiation between those models.

In the current competitive marketplace, making sure they have an model that can retain existing customers and draw new customers from other brands seems to be taking precedence over protecting one model over another.

Third Party Manufacturers / How About This Canon?
« on: March 27, 2012, 01:17:38 PM »
This is a camera I'd love to see Canon make. (Well not at $6,000 obviously)


Seriously, a digital panoramic would be terrific. Fuji has a panoramic option for in-camera stitching with the X-10 which is the second best thing. I'd much rather have a panoramic option than the "double-exposure" thingy that Canon has been adding.

What do others think?

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