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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:06:22 PM »
The level of crazy here may be reaching an all-time high.

Let's take it a step further. Instead of a some stripped-down crappy full-frame "entry level" camera, why not an APS-H entry-level camera instead? Sensor would be cheaper than full frame so Canon could undercut Nikon. Could be about the size of the 60D with similar build quality. Less processing power needed than full frame. Better frame rate, etc.

And, since we're going crazy here: designed to use APS-C lenses. (Why should physics get in our way?)

Now, even I could be interested in a body that turns my 15-85 EFS lens into a 20-110mm equivalent.  Of course, I would still want a 7DII, but I'd consider something that makes my lenses wider at the short end worth considering. Since I've already got the Tokina 11-16, it would be sweet to use it as a 14 mm with no vignetting.

Maybe it's really full frame that needs to go the way of the dinosaurs.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 28, 2012, 09:33:08 PM »
APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...  :P

Careful. That kind of candor can get you deleted around here.

Entertaining, but not gonna happen. Congrats to CR guy though. Great way to boost readership and stir up interest during the summer, while we wait for the real announcements.

probably too early but ....

how do you like your egg? :P

Whites only, infused with silver halide crystals and dried onto a glass plate please. Hold the Vegemite.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Successors [CR1]
« on: June 28, 2012, 07:07:33 PM »
APSH 7DII sounds good to me

Snowcones and popsicles in hell sound good, too, and just about as likely...  :P

Careful. That kind of candor can get you deleted around here.

Entertaining, but not gonna happen. Congrats to CR guy though. Great way to boost readership and stir up interest during the summer, while we wait for the real announcements.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is SLR dead?
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:49:58 AM »
in the long run… yes

In the long run, we are all dead.

Not until you can hold the camera up to your eye and actually see what you are shooting as clearly as you can with today's SLRs.

EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Firmware officially announced
« on: June 28, 2012, 11:41:14 AM »

Good news: A very nice firmware upgrade. This should put to rest the rumors that Canon will abandon the 7D or merge with a 70D. The language and tone of the announcement are clearly meant to communicate the message that the 7D remains their flagship APS-C model. As someone has already pointed out, this is in sharp contrast to the minor firmware upgrade of the 60D. ("no microfocus adjustment for you.")

Bad news: Probably no 7DII for Photokina.

Will we see a repeat of the pattern we saw last year with the 5D? Deep discounts before Christmas to boost sales, followed by an announcement of the 7DII in the first quarter 2013.

Pure speculation on my part: I wonder if after seeing the recent sensor performance from Nikon/Sony they were taken aback a bit and decided to delay a new APS-C sensor until they could make some added improvements. "Let's upgrade the firmware and cut prices to buy ourselves six months of added R&D."

Wondering now what they do with the 70D. Does it get a new sensor? Do they give it the 7D's features but use the T4i sensor? Do they hold off on it as well? Do they care if a 70D cuts into sales of the three-year-old 7D for a few months? Perhaps they figure that the build quality of the 7D alone will be sufficient differentiation for a few months, especially if they lower the 7D price.

While I'm a little disappointed that Canon won't be taking my money for awhile longer (at least not for a 7DII, but then there are always lenses), I'm pleased that they are giving me a 7D 2.0 for free. While I'd rather have a II instead of the 2.0, I'm not going to complain and it does give me time to brace for the inevitable price hike.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II
« on: June 27, 2012, 11:35:23 PM »
We are all fanboys or fangirls here (although I suspect there are far more boys than girls, unfortunately). Some are just honest about it.

Don't misunderstand. I think the 1D IV is a fantastic camera, if a bit out of my price range. But, acknowledging a camera to be great is different from misreading the many signals from the manufacturer about the future of the format.

I may be overly optimistic about the pricing and/or features of a 7DII. But, there is some logic behind my optimism. In a nutshell, it must appeal to a market that is much more price sensitive than the 5DIII. Because the market is mature now, it must also attract current 7D owners like myself if it is to succeed. I base much of my speculation on what I believe it would take to convince me and other current 7D users to upgrade.

I commend Canon for targeting the 5DIII to a specific professional market (wedding and event photographers) and for doing sufficient market research to know that the $500 premium would be worth it to these professionals for the superior ISO and noise performance. (As an aside, the D800 seems either not particularly well-targeted, or is targeted toward a much smaller universe)

Yes, I do expect to see some improvement with the next generation of APS-C sensor. The T4i is not a new generation, but appears to rather be the same generation as existing APS-C sensors with continuous autofocus laid on top. To me, the more interesting speculation is whether the 70D will receive the same sensor as the 7DII or if it will also receive the T4i sensor.

Perhaps I am just ignorant, but I do always wonder when people proclaim the virtues of larger sensors, just what they are seeing that I am missing. I have made prints up to 18 x 27 and even with my nose inches away from the print there is no visible grain or noise. People complain about issues that I have never had a problem with (banding for example). I've read numerous posts from successful photographers who readily acknowledge that neither they nor their colleagues can identify differences between sensors in a final print.

I understand and respect the opinions of those who prefer the bokeh of a larger sensor. But, that is a question of style, not of quality.

Just what is it that is so troublesome for some photographers that they feel they cannot get a good product out of an APS-C sensor?

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II
« on: June 27, 2012, 07:49:21 PM »
We will see if my mostly innocuous comments get deleted again!

7DII will be essentially identical to the 5DIII in features and build, except it will have an APS-C sensor. Many will whine and declare that Canon is "ripping us off" because the 5DIII is almost twice as expensive and it's "not fair" that a full frame sensor should cost so much more. Canon will sell millions.

70D will inherit most of the features of the 7D, but retain the 60D build quality. Many will whine because they remain unable to let go of the 40D. Canon will sell millions.

If a full frame entry level camera materializes, it will share build quality with the 60D and have autofocus and other features similar to the 5DII. Many will whine because it's not a 5DIII for half the price. Canon will sell millions.

Although the new APS-C sensor will outperform the last APS-H sensor Canon ever built, THOSE WHO CANNOT BE NAMED will continue to write endless posts about how an APS-H sensor would be so much better and will continue to hold on to the fantasy that APS-H will be resurrected from the dead and walk the earth again. Canon will sell millions (just not APS-H).

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II
« on: June 27, 2012, 01:31:51 PM »
On message boards it is so easy to do this Brian.  They cannot "see" you therefore they retort whatever insults they care to because there is no personal connection or consequence.

Actually, there are several moderators who try to monitor posts, and remove those which insult users.  Rather than reply and start a flame war, its better just to report a inappropriate post.  The forum is able to keep track of warnings and that can lead to a ban, but thats not a common situation.

We try to discourage flaming others, so posters should read their posts carefully before posting.  To make things even more complex, we have different cultures represented with different perceptions and some of them may think that posts that are allowed elsewhere are acceptable here. 

There are some general rules in the site information area that we try to enforce.

Thanks for being such a good group, and be civil :)

And my posts were deleted because????

I was civil, reasoned and polite. I said nothing unkind about anyone, but simply disagreed with an oft-repeated (ad nauseam) perspective. I did not even reference belief in UFOs.

Apparently I expressed an opinion that someone didn't like.  I mourn the loss of Karma and detest this mindless censorship. (Plus much of this thread no longer makes any sense!)

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS [CR2]
« on: June 25, 2012, 07:46:51 PM »
I don't get the hype about this lens.  There is already a 70-300L out, which does have 100mm less, but you can get that with a 1.4x TC for cheaper than this 100-400 is supposed to be.

The 70-300, while a great lens, does not take Canon teleconverters.

EOS Bodies / Re: Need education as to Image Quality
« on: June 25, 2012, 05:43:52 PM »
I will defer to the techies on this site, but a wild guess would be that the gapless microlenses used on the new sensor might have something to do with it.

Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100-400 f/4-5.6L IS [CR2]
« on: June 25, 2012, 02:13:47 PM »
Ne pas juger tout le monde à cause des paroles d'un troll.

Urteilen Sie nicht alle, weil der mit den Worten eines Troll.

Not all Americans think the world revolves around us.

EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 22, 2012, 03:10:43 PM »
The danger factor depends on the type of bear as well. For example, brown bears are much more dangerous than black bears.

False. Black bear.

Either way you're dead.

Best advice, always go with someone slower than you. You can't outrun the bear, but you don't have to. You just have to outrun the person you are with. :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Announcement Day July 24, 2012? [CR2]
« on: June 22, 2012, 10:42:04 AM »
Lets hope the 200-400 f4 is one of the len's announced. I need one for October as im off to the forest to shoot bears, with a camera not a gun.


400 + 1.4x is not enough for close ups at a safe distance of bears in the wild.

You need 700mm or more in glass.

Doesn't that depend on your definition of "safe"?

Hah! Reminds me of my favorite bear safety tip from the folks at the National Park Service in Yellowstone: "Bear spray is not used like insect repellent and is not a substitute for common sense."

Germany / Photoshop Training (French)
« on: June 21, 2012, 11:25:07 PM »
I guess I'll post this on the German board, since there isn't one for France.

Groupon offering some sort of discount on Adobe training for Photoshop or Dreamweaver. Signed up for Groupon before I went to France last year and still getting their e-mails. I don't speak French, but it looks like its 89 Euro for the training.


Its getting like that south park episode where every one bought hybrids. Smug levels are getting outta control.

Yes...Plus 1 or 2 or whatever.

On the other hand, I admit I take a bit of pleasure seeing all the "I've-got-a-bigger-sensor-than-you" folks going ape-crap trying to tear down DXO simply because they don't like the results. After all, we 7D owners have to constantly listen to some pretty intense smug levels every day on this forum. 

Personally, I'm tired that every discussion of the 7D gets hijacked by:

1) Those who can't let go of APS-H even though it is so done you need to stick a fork in it;

2) Fools who think that full frame trumps everything; and perhaps most annoying of all

3) Single-digit fetishists who can't stand the thought that Canon would actually use a single digit to market an APS-C camera.

Rant Over.

Yes. Depending on what your criteria is, Nikon made a better camera this cycle and they are selling it for $500 less. Frankly, I'm glad. Competition in the marketplace is the only thing that gives companies the discipline they need to excel.

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