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I like what both Tokina and Tamron have been doing lately. They are offering some quality alternatives and good value for the money. No, they are not "L" lenses, but in many cases they represent better quality at lower cost than Canon's non "L" offerings. Competition is good.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Specs Leaked?
« on: September 14, 2012, 09:45:44 AM »
if this is true the camera is a big dissapointment....
Cheap, economy cameras are always a big disappointment to people who need something better.  And high end, expensive cameras are always a big disappointment to people who want something cheaper.  So every new camera is a big disappointment to someone.  If it's not designed for their specific needs and budget, then it's a big disappointment.   There is no way to please everyone.  That's why they make some ten DLSR models — each of them is not a big disappointment to someone.

Clearly you are new to this forum. Such rational logic will not be tolerated! :)

I think the 6D has to have a pop up flash. It won't, but it should. The only use a pop up flash is to me is for controlling other external flashes. To me that's a huge deal.

I'd rather it have the ability to directly control the 600EX-RT (and future -RT Speedlites) via radio with no pop-up flash.  But it won't have that, either.   ::)

I'm afraid that with the sudden yanking of the 580EXII and Canon's unwillingness to make a receiver that would allow backward compatibility with the 580 series, we may have seen the last of the infrared triggers through popup flashes. I expect that to be dropped from the 7DII and all future models.

Not happy about it. I'm usually pretty forgiving of Canon, but their approach on the 600EX-RT was just not very professional when it could have so easily been addressed with an RT-Receiver. Purposely making their previously flagship model flash incompatible when such an easy fix is available is just irresponsible in my book. I'm just waiting for a Chinese company to come out with one. Serves Canon right on this.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D and crop feature
« on: September 13, 2012, 10:05:49 AM »
Feature already available. You go into Camera RAW or Photoshop and it's the little tool that looks a capital "L" with another upside down capital "L" overlapping it and it has a diagonal dotted line through it. Works great.

Okay, so where's that "it's gonna be $1500, canon's gonna poop their pants" guy now?... Boy, I'm glad we were prepared with thread-upon-thread about how this camera was going to put Canon out of business  ::)

They are all busy preparing their "Canon's-charging-$2100-for-a-camera-that-has-two-less-megapixels-and-only-19-autofocus-points-and-doesn't-even-have-a-pop-up-flash-I'm-gonna-sell-my-40D-and-switch-to-Nikon" rants.

I hope they'll sell 5D2 @ around $1K or $1.3K. :D  I'll take it without thinking.

That version will by delivered by Bigfoot riding a Unicorn. 

Software & Accessories / Re: Selling Your Wedding Pics Online???
« on: September 12, 2012, 07:59:42 PM »
Can't resist an editorial comment. If people aren't willing to pay $.21 a print there is something seriously wrong with them.

You need to consider the quality of the printer. I no longer use anyone but MPix because I just couldn't count on the color being right using less expensive alternatives. Even if you aren't charging, you have a reputation to protect and you don't want a bunch of pictures where the guests look they just got off the set of the Walking Dead because of sloppy color balance on the part of the printer.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 7D: Buy now or wait?
« on: September 12, 2012, 07:17:10 PM »
Longtime lurker here. Great site!

I'm thinking about buying the refurb 7D at Adorama through Amazon (to take advantage of the 0% financing offer). If I can sell my T2i for 350, that would put the total out of pocket around for this around $850. Not bad! Still though, it will burn if a new one is announced though it wont matter unless it's the 70d because a new 7DII I would not be able to afford. A new 70D, I could probably do though 0% financing won't be available in that case (offer expires 9/30 in case anyone's interested)  THOUGHTS? Also, any thoughts on the refubs in general?


I'm a little confused by your post. I just checked Canon Price Watch and both Adorama and B&H are selling refurbished 7Ds at $1149. I'm not seeing anything from Adorama on Amazon, but I might be missing something.

Both Adorama and B&H routinely offer "bill me later" 0% for six months. Offer never expires.

Are you assuming the 7DII will be significantly more expensive than the originally 7D, or just that the $1,700 original price is steeper than you want to pay? I don't think we can assume the 7DII will automatically be a lot more costly. I think we'll have a better idea once the 6D is announced, but I think competitive pressures will force Canon to price it closer to its Nikon counterpart than the 5DIII was to the D800. (5DIII was, in my view, very wisely targeted at a very competitive market -- wedding photographers -- who have little choice but to pay the $500 premium for the 5DIII's superior ISO performance). I'm sure I'll get flamed for that comment, by those who like to act like the 5DIII was some sort of fail by Canon, but I disagree. I think Canon knew exactly what they were doing.

EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO / Nikon D600 price at least 2k per NR!
« on: September 12, 2012, 09:16:13 AM »
Nikon D600 Price -- The latest at NR shows the price in Japan at roughly $2700 -- which will likely translate to an actual US price of maybe $2k -- $2.2k  for body only.

The great cheap FF fantasy is dissolving before my eyes...  Reality is starting to set in....    :o

Always thought the low price being quoted seemed unrealistic. If things play out like it looks they will, D600 and 6D will be very similarly spec'd and similarly priced. While it should, it won't stop the whiners and flamers.

EOS Bodies / Re: More Canon EOS 6D Specs Surface [CR1]
« on: September 11, 2012, 05:21:18 PM »
I somehow don't see even a remote possibility of this camera being cheaper or 'better' than the rumored D600...

Well you can compare the rumored specs over at Nikon Rumors and within a day or so, we'll all know the real specs for the D600. The listed specs don't look that much different to me. Difference of 2 mp (22 vs. 24); difference of 1/2 frame per second; 39 vs. 19 auto focus points but no word on how many are cross-type; Canon with one stop better ISO performance.

Cheaper? Won't know that until pricing is announced. I seriously doubt that the rumored D600 will come in at the price point originally predicted.

Personally, I'm stoked to see both manufacturers introducing something new. I'll have no complaints no matter which is announced.

I use a Asus 19" monitor and an ACER 23" monitor I got from Newegg. They're pretty good as long as you calibrate them. I use the Spyder 3 elite.

IPS is the best, but eh, I get great results from what I have. If you consider most people's will not have an IPS monitor to even view your images at there best, Why bother?

This is an excellent point and often overlooked. Not to belittle the importance of monitor calibration, but it is important to remember what your final output is going to be.

Like most things, color accuracy is a "garbage in, garbage out" situation, so you do want to start with the most accurate rendition you can, but frankly I agree with RL that there is no point in obsessing over it unless you are working in a professional environment that demands absolute color accuracy (product photos for advertising for example)

If your images are going to be viewed primarily on the web you can't very well go around the world and adjust everyone's monitor before they go to your website.

If your final product is printed with a CMYK process be prepared for colors that are much different than what you see on your screen. You will need to adjust your images accordingly and if color accuracy is critical, you might want to consider letting a professional color house do the final adjustments. 

BTW, I've been know to go around Best Buy and Apple stores and pull up my website on every device I can find, just to see how it looks under different environments. Particularly important for websites. Some of the clerks get a bit annoyed, but most are good-natured about it.

The smartest thing I ever did was attach a second monitor.

I have one big monitor to look at the images and then all the various panels are over on the smaller monitor. You won't believe how much easier it makes life (or at least editing). Also works great for Dreamweaver and InDesign. Even comes in handy at times with programs like Word or when you want to transfer files between external and internal drives.

As for my actual computer, I use a Dell something or other with an i7 processor. My previous computer died over the winter and I do find that the new one processes things much faster, but that may be a combination of the new machine and the new Creative Suite programs (apparently Adobe improved the programming to speed up processing and it seems to have worked).

EOS Bodies / Re: Is a 46mp Canon EOS-1 on the Way? [CR1]
« on: September 10, 2012, 01:21:03 PM »

Is this a new sensor, or just a higher MP variant of their existing technology? Personally I'd like to see Canon put their R/D into DR and not MP.
I suspect it is silicone based just like all other s3nsors.  What new technology is out there that works better?

Fuji has talked about (not produced) a sensor that merges silicon with organic silver-halide (as in film) technology. Early claims were that APS-C size sensors would outperform full frame sensors. Obviously it is not ready for the marketplace yet, but I suspect that the next breakthrough in sensor technology will be something none of us were expecting.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 10, 2012, 12:46:21 PM »
I hate these threads... Everyone expects a 5D3 with a different name for half the price. Most of the time you get what you pay for. I'm sure if Canon did offer something like this, there would be so many complaints about purposely handicapping the camera with no this or that.

One thing is for sure with this camera - regardless of how good it actually may be, it will be FLAMED to no end. 


So true...so very very true. Welcome to Canon Rumors Forum. :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Is a 46mp Canon EOS-1 on the Way? [CR1]
« on: September 10, 2012, 12:38:41 PM »
Why can't anyone actually read Craig's posts, instead of just skimming the attention grabber headline and jumping to conclusions? Nothing in the post about an EOS-1 style body. Nothing.

...if you were new to the pro market it's a tough choice between the D800 and the 5D3.  I guess one lends itself to the wedding market and the other to the landscape market ...

You hit the nail on the head. Now ask yourself this: what do you think the ratio of professional wedding photographers is to professional landscape photographers – 1,000 to 1? 10,000 to 1? How many professional wedding photographers are there in your city? Now compare that to the number of persons who actually earn a living in landscape photography.

Canon targeted the 5DIII to a very specific professional market. It is about the only large professional photography market remaining. It is a market that is highly competitive and the practitioners cannot afford to let their competitor down the street gain a technological edge. As with almost everything in life, it's not the best technology that wins...it is the best technology that meets a market need that wins.

In contrast the D800 is a very nice high resolution camera, but there is no large, clearly defined professional audience. Right now the D800 is selling very well to meet pent up demand from Nikon shooters. But once that demand is met, will they be able to sustain the market? Not so sure. On the other hand, eventually almost every wedding photographer in the world will end up buying a 5DIII because they need to edge that its high ISO performance gives them when shooting. (Unless of course they go for the 1D-X, with even better high ISO performance.)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 09, 2012, 09:58:15 PM »
I still see Canon's path as pretty obvious and easy.

I'm bookmarking this so I can quote you in 2013 :-)

Please do. I'm, offering a money-back guarantee if I'm wrong.

Nicely fills out the line, giving consumers and pros more choices and helps transition buyer to two bodies each.

But why would Canon want to split the former two bodies (40d/5d) into *five* different ones (70d/7d2/6d/5d3/5dhd)? Sure this gives people more choices, but Canon is about making money and this variety also creates confusion and more support and manufacturing costs.

Imho if they expand the ff line they'll drop one of the crop cameras, i.e. no 7d2 but a bumped up 70d. And your "5d hd" might be very well an expensive "1d hd" at first because the people really wanting a $3000 36mp sensor have switched to Nikon by now.

I'm sure every manufacturer would produce just one model of anything if they could be confident it would sell and if they had no competition. But, they do have competition and if Canon doesn't meet the market demand, others will.

It is clear from the Rebel line that using modern manufacturing techniques, it's possible to offer minor differentiation and still keep the line profitable.
Consumers like choices. Ever go shopping for a TV, a car or even laundry detergent? I don't know about others, but if I'm spending $1,000 or more on a product I'm going to make sure I've compared every available model and picked the one that I think will work for me. If one manufacturer doesn't offer any choice, I'll go to the one that does offer some choice.

If having three (maybe four) full frame options and five or so APS-C options is beyond someone's brainpower, they probably aren't shopping for a DSLR anyway.

We've been through this discussion before on numerous threads. Both the 60D and the 7D have been great sellers for Canon. A full frame equivalent of the 60/70D is more of a threat to the 5DIII than to the next generation of the 7D.

7D owners have a high level of satisfaction and are fiercely loyal to the camera. Having just developed that market, it's unlikely that Canon is going to abandon it now.

A 6D is never going to satisfy most 7D owners, who want the extra reach , build quality and professional features that the 7D offers. And, despite the fantasizing that is going on, both the 6D and the D600 are going to be positioned well below the D800 and the 5DIII.

I'm the least confident in the high-megapixel camera. Not sure what the market is for that. But, I assume Nikon did some market research and they seem to be selling, so I imagine Canon is not going to concede that customer base and if they can slide a high megapixel sensor into the existing 5DIII body without major modifications, it's a financial winner for them.

All fun to speculate about. Good news is that after this week we'll know what Nikon is offering and that will give us a very good idea what the 6D will be like.

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