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EOS Bodies / Re: Downgrade to crop
« on: December 03, 2012, 01:11:43 PM »
So I ask you FF shooters: what is it that you can do nowadays with you FF that you would no longer be able to do if you downgraded to crop?

Well, no small number of FF shooters would miss the ability to post smug things about how superior FF is on intangible things like dreamy bokeh, color saturation, etc..., whether they could actually pick a FF print out of a police lineup or not.   ;)

I think the biggest thing about going FF to crop would be losing 2 or 3 stops of low-noise performance at higher ISO settings, at least when comparing it to the newest FF bodies.  That is very valuable stuff.

I think you can get all the blurry background/shallow depth of field most people would really ever want using a crop body by following the basic rules.  Bright prime lens shot wide open, shot close to subject, background far away, etc... Frankly, I find the 50 f/1.8 DOF shot on a crop to be too thin sometimes.  My wife actively dislikes the look, actually, when we shoot my girls and you see an eye or two in focus, but an ear that is blurry.

Three pages later and nothing has been added. This thread could have stopped with Scotty's response and covered about everything that needs to be covered.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: November 30, 2012, 02:53:18 PM »
The tidal wave of used 7D bodies hitting the market will obliterate Rebel and 60D sales. I can get a well worn 7D for a hair under $1000 and a barely used one for a little bit more. Hate to think what would happen when that price drops down to compete with new T4i bodies

I'm curious about this "tidal wave of used 7D bodies hitting the market." Where are they coming from? As of a few minutes ago, there were about 140 7Ds listed on eBay in categories other than new (used, refurbished, etc.)

That's a decent quantity, but it doesn't comes anywhere close to the new sales every day of the 60D, T4i, T3i, etc. Certainly not enough to skew the new market in any significant way. Most customers don't buy used and don't want to buy used, which is the reason you can buy a "well worn 7D for a hair under $1000." Plus, one shouldn't assume that the introduction of a 7DII will suddenly prompt all current 7D owners to sell their current bodies. I, for one, will be keeping mine.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: November 30, 2012, 10:07:00 AM »
It's not going to be aimed solely at sports and nature, it is going to be what it is today -  the flagship APS-C camera in the Canon lineup - only better - regardless of what you typically shoot. 

Yes. The 5DIII is optimized for wedding photographers, but that doesn't make it useless for others. I can see a 7DII optimized for sports and nature, but still a very good all-around camera.

This is shrewd marketing on the part of Canon and one reason why they continue to remain the industry leader. The D800 is a very nice camera, but it doesn't have a core constituency that must have it. The 5DIII on the other hand, is a must for wedding photographers because it gives them a competitive edge. That allows Canon a solid foundation of customers that they can build on. That doesn't make the 5DIII any less of a camera even if you never go near a wedding.

I can see a 7DII that becomes the must have camera for sports and nature shooters, but at 21mp with improvements in noise and dynamic range, it will be a great camera even if the only birds you are interested in come from Colonel Sanders.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon USA refurbished stock reduced?
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:35:00 AM »
Canon does this occasionally. The last time was last spring following a similar sale.

It looks like they have now restored most of the pages, although most items remain out of stock.

I suspect they just pull the pages at some point to re-assess what items to continue offering, maybe look at what is in the supply chain and determine if there are items they need to drop. Like many things about the Refurbished Store, it's all kind of mysterious to me.

Canon General / Re: Is canon going to come back?
« on: November 29, 2012, 11:25:09 AM »
...i am doing stock, portrait, landscape stuff and the occasional low light event. And most of those are parts where the d800 shines and honestly destroys the 5d3....

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim the D800 "destroys" the 5DIII in low light. In fact, just the opposite. Every credible review I have read and every comparison of images I've seen shows very clearly that the 5DIII way outperforms the D800 in low light/high ISO.

In fact, the choice between the D800 and the 5DIII is generally characterized as one of resolution vs. high ISO performance. If you absolutely must have the high resolution, go with the D800. If you absolutely have to have high ISO performance, go with the 5DIII. For everyone else it's a coin flip.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 Di VC USD Hands-On
« on: November 28, 2012, 07:46:00 PM »
That's real nice to see the third party manufacturers can make good lenses.  Thus, we will have more choices and it could push Canon making better products for us.  However, this lens is too late on the market.  Canon 70-200 F/2.8 IS MK2 have been released for three years.  Moreover, if the IQ is only similar to Canon 70-200 F/2.8 IS MK2, 1500 USD is too expensive.  The reasonable price tag should be about 1300 USD.

Agreed. However, Tamron tends to offer year-round rebates once a lens has been released for a few months, so I would expect the street price will be closer to your $1,300. Even at that though, for U.S. customers, the price of a refurbished 70-200 L II is not that much more when it is on special.

EOS Bodies / Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: November 26, 2012, 05:55:51 PM »
I'm not going to get overly excited about CR1 specs from an "unknown source."

Reserve judgment on a sensor until real specs and results are known (probably won't know that until several months after the announcement). Consensus on this forum seems to be that noise and dynamic range improvements are more important than the number of pixels. Absent a major change/breakthrough in sensor design, I would be surprised if Canon ups the pixel count of the APS-C sensor above that of its full frame offerings.

New battery is a mild disappointment, but I assume Canon would make the change because they have to for design/engineering reasons.

Please, let them keep at least one CF card slot in a dual card system.

New ergonomic design is too vague to warrant comment at this point.

All in all, I'm more excited that we are finally getting rumors about a 7DII. At this point, the content of those rumors aren't as important as the fact that there are rumors circulating.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's roadmap
« on: November 25, 2012, 06:20:32 PM »
Wow, almost 40 people are unhappy with Canon's releases this year. I guess they are about to go broke.

Lenses / Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« on: November 21, 2012, 06:55:56 PM »
It was also noted that the 1100D and 60D would quietly be discontinued in the first part of 2013 with no replacements being imminent.

So they do merge the lines again after the 60d/7d split  - this probably means the the 7d2 sensor is such an improvement that they couldn't sell the 60d anymore anyway, nor can they drop the 60d price because the 650d is near.

I think "merge" might not be correct. They could very well do what they did with the 7D and 60D – Introduce the 7DII and then wait 9-12 months and follow it up with a 70D. Nikon has allowed both the D300 and D7000 to languish, while they upgrade lower-level models. You are correct in that the T4i pretty much matches the 60D currently and Nikon's actions means there is no real pressure on Canon to upgrade the 60D at this time. But, I think there is still room in the lineup for a 70D and I doubt that Canon will leave what could be a $1,000 gap between the T4i and the 7DII.

Lenses / Re: New EF-S Lenses Are Coming [CR2]
« on: November 21, 2012, 01:38:17 PM »
If they're going to bother to mess with the 17-55/2.8, MAKE IT 15MM AT THE WIDE END, for goodness sake!!!

Ideally, it should be 15-60 or so.  That would make it a worthy combination with the 70-200s.

Yes. This. Or, better yet, take the 15-85 and make it a constant f4. All wishful thinking though, I expect.

Still, it will be interesting to see what they do with the 17-55 f2.8.

I seriously doubt they will really abandon the 60D. Perhaps let it sit for six months and see what happens with the 7DII and the T4i, but I believe there will still be plenty of room to slot a 70D in between, especially if they upgrade the 7D.

2013 could be a critical year for the future of DSLRs. With a new 6D, a new 7DII and new lenses for both formats, Canon will be making my decision on what to buy harder and harder. Do I split my purchases into two formats or go all-in with APS-C? They are getting very creative about getting into my wallet. Yet, it should be a fun ride.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon Refurbished Lens Sale
« on: November 19, 2012, 09:14:37 PM »
They have currently been running weekly "Holiday Hush" specials http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CusaMiscPageView?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&file=holiday12/indexT33e.html

It's possible that one of these may be a refurbished lens sale at some point – or not.

I'm not sure I can offer any constructive advice different than what has already been written.

I own this lens. It pretty much matched my 100-400 L in sharpness. I did end up buying the 70-300 L (ridiculously expensive, but I just couldn't resist and frankly it probably is worth it) Obviously, the 70-300 L is sharper, faster and better built, but it is also nearly $800-$900 more expensive.

I did have some problems with the Tamron occasionally hunting and hunting unable to focus, but that seemed to be under very limited circumstances and shutting the camera off or manually focusing the lens to get it in the general range of where I wanted to focus seemed to fix that. I have never had any problems with the OS/IS system, although it does make a bit of noise and seems to rattle a bit if you shake the lens.

I know this isn't exactly helpful, but it seems like you are throwing good money after bad. Like others here, I would say bite the bullet and send it straight to Tamron, explaining the situation and the repair history. Maybe they will take pity on you and repair it at no charge.

One problem with a retailer's repair service is that they may not get enough of a specific lens in for repairs to really know what the problems are. They may be very good at routine repairs, but when you have a persistent and complex problem they may simply not have the experience and expertise to properly diagnose and repair.

I understand your frustration, but if the retailer won't make it right (and it seems you have tried numerous times to get them to do so), I would take it up with the manufacturer and then find another retailer in the future.

DB: You foolishly forget that logic and facts are meaningless on internet forums.

But, this thread was good for one thing. I learned a new word. (whinge)

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Black friday - Canon rebates?
« on: November 17, 2012, 12:27:02 PM »
Black Friday is for consumer goods. High end lenses aren't likely to be discounted.

You can register on CanonPriceWatch.com and to be notified if the price drops below a target level you set.

Honestly, right now the lens is pretty much at an historic low. The new price is only $100 over the refurbished price from Canon. Canon refurbished periodically offers a discount, so there is an outside chance you could save a little more if that happens, but this lens tends to sell out immediately on refurbished, so you have to act fast and it may not be available at the time they offer a discount. I'm a big fan of refurbished, but honestly for $100 I'd rather buy new.

There is also a chance that Adorama or B&H may put this lens up on a one-day "can't show price" sale at some point between now and Christmas, but I would be very surprised if it drops much below the current $2,100 price.

Welcome to the U.S. BTW.

It causes sensors to run excessively hot without proper heat dissipation, thus killing pixels, and completely wastes battery life.

Only if you use it.

I'm in the "it-reduces-the-overall-cost-to-consumers-by-expanding-the-market" camp. I've never used the video but I don't mind that it is there and maybe someday I will use it.

Part of the OP's original question was whether or not video impacted still image quality. That was pretty well answered early-on in this thread. Knowing that it doesn't have any discernible effect and knowing that it probably reduces, rather than increases, the final cost, I don't understand why people care.

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