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EOS Bodies / Re: Due for a letdown?
« on: February 18, 2012, 03:59:43 PM »
I am sure some people will be in for a letdown because I've read some pretty outlandish expectations on this forum.

Based on the specs that are being rumored, I expect we'll see a 22mp camera with a very nice autofocus system priced at around $3,000. Some modest improvements in high ISO noise but not at the level of the 1Dx. As a bonus, it may have some modest weathersealing, similar to the current 7D and maybe a new accessory battery grip with an extra control wheel.

I don't think reasonable people will be disappointed with that. But, for those who want a baby 1Dx for the price of a 7D, they will likely be all over this forum the day the camera is announced, complaining how Canon doesn't care about them and they are going to go buy a Nikon.

Lenses / Re: Grand Canyon Lens suggestions
« on: February 17, 2012, 02:17:23 PM »
I don't usually post pictures, but I can't resist this one.

Notice everyone shooting into the sun and then notice the absolutely beautiful light striking the canyon walls behind them. That's what I meant when I said you don't necessarily want to just look in the direction of the light. And, BTW, the view toward the sunrise was quite ordinary, almost bland.

Lenses / Re: Grand Canyon Lens suggestions
« on: February 17, 2012, 12:40:35 PM »
I have been following the CR Forums for some time.  This post finally prompted me to register.  First, FSU_Dan, wishing you a safe and speedy return from Afghanistan!  Second, I hope you do not mind piggybacking on your post. 

I am also planning a trip to the Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Bryce Canyon, etc. in May.  I will be shooting with a 7D and have an EF-S 15-85 and EF 70-300L.  My only real expertise (a stretch) is motorsports (thus the 7D).  I am wondering if I will be happy with the 15-85, or if I need wider (say the ef-s 10-22) or faster (a prime)?  I would appreciate feedback from landscape and canyon shooters regarding lenses for the 7D on this trip.

Also, I have a good quality circular polarizer.  While I hope to be able to shoot  early and late, I do not plan to put the camera away mid-day.  Will a neutral density filter be a must?

The 15-85mm will be fine for the Grand Canyon. I took along the Tokina 11-16, but I don't know if I even used it. I think I took more shots at the 85mm end than I did at the 15mm end. (Crop shots of the rising and setting sun playing against canyon walls and rocks that jut up from the bottom of the canyon).

Lenses / Re: 70-300L anyone?
« on: February 17, 2012, 12:31:20 PM »
I vote for the Sandy Hook one. Very nice look to it. Excellent separation between the two rows of buildings. Any significant post-processing?

Back to the thread though, just a question. Do those who own this lens feel it is worth the significant price premium, given that there are lots of other lenses in this range out there? And, if so, why: sharpness, fast focus, weatherproofing, whiteness, other reasons?

I'm feeling the urge to buy something and this one keeps calling to me, even though I already own the Tamron 70-300mm, which I have to admit is a pretty decent lens for the money, as well as the 100-400 "L."

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D mkII Kit Price Hike
« on: February 17, 2012, 12:22:01 PM »
I wonder if Canon is taking a page out of Nikon's book and fixing prices across the authorized retailers. I hope it's just coincidence, but it seems fishy.

Canon routinely sets a minimum advertised price during its rebate periods. In order to participate in the rebate, retailers must set their prices in accordance with Canon's minimal pricing. As a result, the savings during a rebate period is seldom as much as the rebate amount. During non-rebate periods, retailers often discount the products to a "street price" that is below Canon's MSRP.

What was unusual is that during the pre-Christmas rebates, retailers seemed to have a little more flexibility. (For example, posting an advertised price and then granting a discounted price if you added the item to your shopping cart.) I don't know why that was, but Canon was obviously trying to boost sales before the end of the year and I suspect they were willing to give the retailers a bit more leeway in order to meet their sales goals. (Plus, of course, most of the rebates were bigger than the ones we are seeing now.)

Finally, on almost all products the two major retailers, Adorama and B&H watch each other very closely. If one offers a special, the other usually quickly follows suit. Since they are the big guns in the U.S. most other mail order retailers tend to follow suit. A few will try to undercut the big two by a few dollars. I've always bought from Adorama or B&H and never wanted to risk trying someone new, although I'm sure some are reputable.

Lenses / Re: Grand Canyon Lens suggestions
« on: February 17, 2012, 09:16:57 AM »
My Grand Canyon experience:

The grand lodges, el Tovar and Thunderbird, are built along the best views. You might think you can get better views by hiking to less populated parts of the rim. You won't. They put the lodges there for a reason.

Be prepared for crowds. Everyone else is trying to get that great sunrise or sunset picture, although most are using their iPhones.

Most people shoot toward the sunrise or sunset, hoping to capture the Sun appearing or disappearing over the horizon. Unless the atmospheric conditions are just right, though, these aren't that great. Instead, look in the opposite direction, away from the sun and get shots of the light bouncing off the canyon walls, brilliant beautiful deep reds contrasting with black shadows.

Don't forget to turn around and look into the woods along the rim, you will almost certainly see mule deer grazing in the mornings and evenings. If you are interested in the deer, you'll need a telephoto.

The Grand Canyon is one of the few places in the country where you can see California Condors (if you are lucky). Ask the rangers about recent Condor sightings. Again, you'll need a telephoto to have any hope of catching one.

EOS Bodies / Re: How far will the 5DMKII drop in price?
« on: February 15, 2012, 11:34:04 PM »
This is going to be unpopular but I agree with Mt. Spokane. If Canon keeps the Mk II in the lineup I don't think you will see a price drop on new ones.

Keep in mind that if they keep it, that doesn't mean they need or want to sell any. It will just be as an
Option and their main interest will be selling the Mk III. It will be used mainly to upsell customers to the MkIII.

Canon General / Canon Live Learning Worthwhile?
« on: February 15, 2012, 10:18:55 PM »
Canon has a couple of "Live Learning" events comings to Chicago in March. The "Creative Lighting with Speedlites" sounds interesting, but not sure it is $300 interesting.

Anyone have any experience with these seminars?

Lenses / Re: Upgrade Suggestions
« on: February 15, 2012, 07:25:37 PM »
I'd also really recommend a 430EX II.

+1. With the 60D you can use the infrared flash function to fire the 430EXII off camera. A good strobe and a diffuser will be far more useful than one more lens. You can get a refurbished 430EXII at the Canon Direct Store for $239.

A cheap umbrella and you'll be all set for baby portraits.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 04:05:17 PM »
There is one other alternative: high MP full frame so you can crop.

Sorry, but I just had to laugh about this. Years ago, when I was fresh out of journalism school and editing a small paper we had a freelance photographer who was a Speed Graphic guy. He insisted that he could shoot any subject with the 4x5 Speed Graphic and crop it. He used to look down on the "small sensor" cameras of the day (35mm SLR).

Well, he was wrong. His pictures came out like crap. Cropping will never replace framing the image well in the first place.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 12:38:20 PM »
Don't mean to be mean or harsh, but really...products don't come free. If any manufacturer were able to make a 5DII-type camera and sell it for significantly less, why wouldn't they be doing it?

Well, for starters, only Canon has the 5D2.
Partly though we are talking about an oligopoly, not a true free market.  The barrier to entry in this industry is so high that there are only a few players, and all of them go by about the same playbook; charge what the market will bare with a combination of low cost entry level equipment and premium priced professional equipment, even though the manufacturing costs are pretty close across the board.  They charge based off how much the bodies are worth, not on how much they cost to make.

Well, that makes my point. You are saying they "could" but "won't" I suggested they "can't," but regardless of the reason, it isn't happening and isn't likely to happen.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 12:32:39 PM »
If your 7D ego has just been bruised then I suggest you get yourself a full frame camera and start pixel peeping and see the "full frame light" my friend

Been there, done that, didn't see the light, and neither can anyone else when put to the test. I hate pixel peepers any way. I make prints. I don't sit in a dark room all night studying images for flaws at 400%.


Price won't really matter.  Sure, if you priced the 7D successor at 2K and had the next closest APS-C at 800, you could stick another body in there around 1300 or 1400 but, if the feature set isn't rightly between those two bodies,  Canon would be wasting their money and would do damage to their market share. 

Ah, yes. The old problem of product differentiation and converging technology. As technology improves, the perceivable differences between products shrink. All of the camera manufacturers are facing this dilemma. It's got to be real hell for them to try find ways to meet consumer demand, while simultaneously finding the right mixture of features for each product. One mistake and you've undercut your product line.

Good news is we consumers win because the products get better. Bad news is the price tags keep going up.

EOS Bodies / Re: 5D Mark III/X Information [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 12:17:44 PM »
A win win all round for Canon.

Unless they actually feel the need to turn a profit.

Well, the 5D2 production line owes Canon absolutely nothing. Anything it is getting now is pure profit over and above.

Unless it actually costs something to produce camera bodies, sensors and electronics.

How many times have we read people say 'they'd like a 5D2 but can only afford a 7d?'

About as often as people say they would like a BMW, but can only afford a Hyundai.

Don't mean to be mean or harsh, but really...products don't come free. If any manufacturer were able to make a 5DII-type camera and sell it for significantly less, why wouldn't they be doing it?

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 10:58:18 AM »
Chuck Alaimo you make good points.

If the 5DIII really does come in at or near $3,000 (which I think it probably will), that just gives Canon much more room to play in the enthusiast-semiprofessional-professional APS-C market. Possibly a 70D, 7DII and a 7DX?

Awinphoto, I agree that there is no urgency for a 7DII. I'd rather see a major leap forward instead of incremental changes and if I have to wait a bit for that, that's fine. Absolutely nothing wrong with the 7D as it stands. I do think, however, that it is unlikely they'll want to let Photokina pass by without a major body announcement and if the 5DIII gets announced within the next month, the next logical choice is the 7D.

It does seem like a lot of people want a full frame body for the price of an APS-C. I wonder if they expect Canon to throw in a free miniature unicorn as well. I suspect many of those who think APS-C is inferior will change their tune if the entry-level full frame goes to $3,000.

EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II? [CR1]
« on: February 14, 2012, 10:14:34 AM »
While I fully understand that naming conventions are arbitrary (doesn't really matter what the camera is called, as long as it has the features), this doesn't make sense for at least two simple reasons:

1) Companies don't usually re-brand their higher end products with the name of a lower-end product.

2) The XX-D naming convention has the practical problem of running out of numbers: it gets you through 90D, but after that, then what? Nikon made this mistake with its naming convention. Canon has avoided it with its "Mark X" naming convention. It's a small thing, but I don't see Canon dropping the 7D Mk X convention for a straight numerical system that requires them to re-brand the model again in a few years.

I do agree that there has never been enough separation between the 60D and the Rebel line, but that's an argument for dropping the XXD line, not the XD line.

I'm also a little amused by the suggestion that adding more autofocus points to the 5D would make the 7D unnecessary. Seems to me to just be a fantasy of the full-frame fetishists who can't accept that some of us actually prefer our 7Ds.

It appears to me that with the new 5D Canon is going to "fix" the one thing users didn't like – autofocus – and then play around the margins with minor improvements to ISO, noise, dynamic range, etc.

I expect that for the 7D, Canon will concentrate on the things that 7D users would like to see improved – ISO, noise and dynamic range – and then play around the margins on autofocus improvements.

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