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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 17, 2014, 12:29:22 PM »
There are dozens of logical explanations for this (the clerk didn't know what he was doing; somebody mis-typed a number; an arbitrary date chosen far into the future for inventory control; etc. etc.)

The only explanation that is not logical is that Best Buy's inventory control system is directly linked to Canon's production line. Yet, that's what would be required for this to be plausible.

We can safely file this under "goofy" and move on.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 17, 2014, 10:24:12 AM »
This has been a nice discussion about the durability of glass, but I have to wonder: what's the difference between the glass used for a touch screen and the glass used for the ordinary LCD display on the back of every DSLR?

If it is the durability of the glass that's an issue, how would it be any different if a touch screen is implemented versus the traditional display?

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 11:34:43 PM »
if you were out shooting in the rain th touch screen would be the first to die.

That's why ATM machines are always inside...oh wait, they're not.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 11:17:49 PM »
I think jrista's whole point was essentially that at THIS level of the Canon spectrum, cool features should play second fiddle to fundamentals. And I agree. If Canon is trying to make a paramount pro-level crop, keep pricing reasonable, and focus most consciously on the things that matter most to the target market they're after on the broadest scale possible....then they (and we) should be clamouring for solid and unmatched fundamentals. Maybe some analogies were misaligned but I appreciate his take on this.  I've been Canon since I was five years old holding dad's A1. I still have it.

The 70D fills the upscale consumer market. The enthusiasts and the crossover videographers. Feature rich with touch and wifi.

The 7DX is for a more discerning palate looking for solid build (1DXish) in a crop that can handle harsh conditions if need be and deliver 1DXish AF and FPS.  If engineering such a beast negates the use of touch and wifi, so be it. I agree that I do not believe Canon would cut such features without serious reason. One of which may be price considering everything else they wish to accomplish.

I can live fine without either. I won't miss them. I know how to toggle a canon menu well enough. So do most of the pros who would be considering this grade of machine.

In the end, all this is little more than enjoyable conjecture and academia. We don't and won't know anything til the proverbial S___ hits the fan next month :-)

Yup, this is it exactly. As I said, I don't care if they do include a touch UI, SO LONG as that does not mean they don't deliver a significantly improved sensor, significantly improved AF system, and also an improved metering system. If the 7D II hits with a consumer-grabbing tough UI, and none of the above...well, I'd perceive that the same way so many other people perceive Canon these being obsessed with video and consumerism, and having lost interest in the true photographer, in solid image quality from top to bottom.

Okay. Time out guys.

Perhaps that was your intent Jon, but using condescending and inflammatory comments obscure that intent:

Comments like this make me think people don't know how to use a DSLR.

Who in the world, ESPECIALLY pros, want to pull the camera away from their face so they can fiddle with a clunky touch screen?

It's sad how smartphone mentality is invading every other area of our lives...

in many cases, a touch screen is the primitive configuration device

Touch screens on professional grade devices designed for use by people who know how to train muscle and procedural memory, and prefer instantaneous access to many features of the camera without the need to look at anything, or remove their eye from the viewfinder...are quite frankly the most confusing "innovation" I can think of.

If you are going to throw bombs, make rash generalizations and denigrate anyone who has a different opinion than you, then please, don't act like the wounded child when people call you on it and demonstrate clearly that you were mistaken.

Honestly, what's wrong with a simple acknowledgement of a mistake. There have been many times on this forum when I've been shown wrong (often by Neuro or Jon) and I've readily admitted it. Shouldn't we all be adult enough to just say: "I should have thought more about it before I went on a rant."

Really, the point of most of us who have been discussing touch screens seems to be one of questioning why a proven, mature piece of technology would be omitted from an upcoming camera body.

Neuro seems to be of the mind that that suggestion calls into question the accuracy of the rumor. I kind of hope he is right.

I have expressed surprise at it, because I can see the value of the option in my photography (particularly when trying to adjust a series of 600 RTs on the fly -- something that I can't do while looking through the viewfinder, but perhaps that's just because I don't have enough "muscle memory" to be able to set A-B:C ratios without being able to see the screen.)

In thinking about it, I simply asked if there might be some engineering reason why it would be excluded, since I can see many disadvantages to leaving this feature off, and frankly, no advantages to not having it.

There has been a good, healthy discussion by many as to whether or not there is any engineering reason for leaving the feature off. That discussion has been both informed and informative. We will know soon enough whether the rumor is true or not.

Almost everyone has said it won't be a deal breaker (unless they shoot video) but it will be one thing that will be on many people's checklist. The suggestion that it is not a legitimate feature to consider, and that anyone who would find it significant is somehow less of a photographer, is incomprehensible to me; and what I take issue with.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 09:35:33 PM »
Canon has a problem. I know you do not believe that, but they do. It's a perceptual problem, and it could seriously affect their revenues and ability to fund the necessary R&D in the years to come. Such things have happened before, and often companies, even if they were on the top of the world, NEVER recover (Kodak?) So...seriously...touch screens and touch UIs?

Canon has a perceptual problem?  That depends on who is doing the perceiving.  If you're referring to CR Forums and similar places, perhaps.  Perceived 'poor sensor IQ' is an Internet forum problem Canon has had for years.  Hasn't affected their market share, though.

As dtaylor stated, the analogy to Kodak is a red herring. 

Seriously, touch screens and touch UIs.  Entry level cameras have them.  Canon wants people to upgrade, and people don't like to give up features to which they're accustomed.  Omitting basic features which a majority of their customer base expects to be included (a category into which touch screens fall, but low ISO DR does not) would certainly 'seriously affect their revenues and ability to fund the necessary R&D in the years to come'.

Neuro, I admire your patience and persistence.

Clearly, this is one of those things that, for some people, goes beyond logic and rationality.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 16, 2014, 11:47:24 AM »
The original [CR2] post about no wifi was updated to read: "We’ve been told that the omission of the wifi in the 7D replacement is due to how the body is designed. The durable full metal body would make wifi transmission unreliable at best."  To me, that renders the source questionable, as there are a variety of simple engineering solutions to that problem which Canon could have implemented. 

I think the touch screen will eventually make it's way to pro orientated camera as a compliment to the physical controls- unlike pop up flash. If it is not included in the 7DII there will be a valid reason for its omission I'm sure.

If this rumor is true (and that's a big "if") then I am inclined to think that the omission of both wifi and touch screen are due to engineering limitations not marketing decisions. There are good, solid reasons why both should be included in a flagship APS-C camera.

As someone else stated, not having a touch screen will be a tremendous handicap for video. I can't believe Canon would omit this feature lightly. In fact, if you are not going to have a touchscreen, I'm not even sure why you would implement dual-pixel technology.

Similarly, I can't see Canon giving up wi-fi if they could avoid it. Again, the lack of the feature will make the camera less attractive for a certain buying segment and I don't think they would do that without some solid engineering reason not to.

I don't know what to make of this, except that I think it does open up the possibility that this body will really be much closer to a 1DX in build quality than to a 5DIII.

No touchscreen and no wi-fi because the body is bombproof?

Lenses / Re: Help deciding on going full frame
« on: August 16, 2014, 11:28:29 AM »
My two cents:

The cheapest upgrade would be the 15-85 EF-S. It's image quality and focal range are comparable to the 24-105 L.

As Mt. Spokane said, the differences between full frame and a crop body in good light are not that significant.

However, if you really have the full frame itch and it's not going away until it's scratched, then you might as well cut your losses and make the change sooner, rather than later.

A lot of people are counting on the new 7DII to be some breakthrough technology in sensors. I'm not so sure, but it's probably worth waiting three weeks or so to see.

In the U.S. a 6D is incredibly inexpensive right now. With a 24-105 kit lens they've been as low as $2,000 from unauthorized dealers and about $2,200 from an authorized dealer if you hit it at the right time. I don't know about the situation in Australia.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 24-105. It is an "L" lens and deserves that designation.

Either a 24-105 and 70-300 L kit on full frame or a 15-85 and 70-300 L on crop will cover more than 90 percent of shooting situations. When traveling, those are really the only lenses you'll need to pack. The 3mm difference between 15 and 18mm at the wide end is significant. At some point, regardless of which kit you choose, you can supplement it with a wider zoom, but you will need the wider zoom only occasionally.

Personally, I would never even consider a 24-70 as the range is just too short for my taste and with that narrow of a range, I'd rather use primes.

If the 7DII turns out to have some game-changing, physics-defying sensor in it, then all bets are off. Otherwise, I really don't expect for there to be an upgrade of the 5DIII for quite some time, while the most likely upgrade to the 6D would be 70D/7D style autofocus.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 11:58:54 PM »
Who in the world, ESPECIALLY pros, want to pull the camera away from their face so they can fiddle with a clunky touch screen?

Well, how about pros (or amateurs) who shoot with the 600 EX RT? Or Pros or amateurs who want to change tracking sensitivity or accelerate/decelerate tracking? There are dozens of functions that cannot be adjusted with a camera glued to your face that would be much easier and quicker to accomplish with the swipe of a finger rather than having to work through buttons and joysticks.

People need to open their minds a bit and quit being such Luddites about technology (especially ironic on a forum filled with gearheads). No one has ever suggested that a touch screen would replace the buttons and joysticks, but it is proven technology that would add significant functionality and convenience to enthusiast and pro-level cameras.

Canon General / Re: Gear Realities
« on: August 15, 2014, 10:38:25 PM »
Google photos of your favorite sport, from the 1950. You'll be amazed at how good they are.

1952 World Series

i was at a minor league baseball game a few weeks back and they had photos of people who made it to the majors... from today and yesteryear... and OMG... the images from yesteryear were so awful.  They were crazy grainy and looked out of focus... I suppose they were action shots... but I manage to get action shots of baseball in focus even when manually focusing...

I don't disagree with your thesis... but I was surprised because I expected yesteryear to be better...

And for what it is worth... I'm not that impressed with the world series photo...

Personally, I've always thought this was one of the all-time greatest sports photos (says a lot more than any razor sharp action shot ever could in my opinion)

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 10:09:28 PM »
TBH, as far as the 7D is concerned, it's supposed to be Canon's best video product.

This statement surprises me. Ignoring the Canon Cinema DSLRs, I always thought the 5D was supposed to be Canon's top video DSLR. When the 5DII came out it pretty much turned the video world on its head. I've seen a lot of professional videos shot with 5D's, not so many with 7D's. I'm not a video person, but even so, I'd like to know what is the basis for expecting the 7D to be Canon's best video product.
No touch-screen? It's sort of nice. But it's really a gee-whiz feature. For people who like using point and shoots. I can change settings much faster and easier without it. And in sports, that's much more critical.

An articulating screen..  Now THAT could be useful in many ways...

Funny, I have just the opposite perspective. I doubt I would ever use a tilt screen, but I would love a touch screen that allows me to dig through the menu more quickly and intuitively. I wouldn't use it for simple shooting, but for special situations (changing focus tracking or setting RT flash settings, for example) I think I'd find having a touch screen very handy.
Oh, and yes, I think that people have gotten the message that full frame has, other things being equal, more potential for highest image quality. I am not arguing that point.

However, there are plenty of people who will buy a well-rounded action APS-C camera with excellent, but not "medium format killer", image quality.  Please review the concept of a tool designed for a specific task. Action shooters want a specialized camera.. .

Exactly. A 7D II won't touch a 6D or 5D III for landscapes or as a wedding/event camera, but it can be a viable alternative to a 1D series camera for the wildlife/action/sport shooter--especially on a budget.  $2000-2500 isn't inexpensive--but it's a good deal less than 5 or 6 grand!!!

Agreed. I watched Canon release the 5DIII targeted to a very specific audience (wedding/event photographers) while Nikon released its D800 without (in my opinion) adequately reviewing the market. Once the pent-up demand was satisfied, Nikon didn't have anywhere else to go. But, the 5DIII became a "must have" for wedding and event photographers and was still a very desirable camera for all-around users.  The sales figures indicate that their strategy worked.

I know I sound like a broken record, but I see the same thing happening with the 7DII. Meet the needs of wildlife/action/sports shooters while offering a very attractive camera for higher-end enthusiasts. I still say, Canon wants us all to buy two bodies and I expect the 5DIII and the 7DII will be a nice combination.

(And one more reason why I really don't expect to see a 5DIV for at least another year.)

Absolutely no surprise to me at all. And, I don't think it is correct to assume that this is only photographers who work for others.

I've done the math myself and concluded it would be very hard to make a go of it. Actually, I'd love to hear what some of the people on this site who do this full time make.

When I've done "back of the envelope" calculations it seems pretty tough. For example: wedding photographer – book 30 weddings a year at $2,500 each, that's $75,000 gross and I think it would be hard to get 30 bookings in a year (especially here in the Midwest). Plus, that's only wedding photographers, which is about the only remaining market today. That's a gross figure, and doesn't include any overhead (advertising, materials, equipment, assistants, etc. etc.)

Maybe some of the pro photographers can enlighten us.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:53:51 PM »
haven't read the whole topic, just few first pages, but are you people really believing this rumour? its a rumour, yet you are treating it as a fact.

"We’re getting little bits of information, and what we’re getting is going to be true."
I also believe in Santa Claus :)

Yeah, well--who doesn't?!   8)

But I concur, that bit about "and what we're getting is going to be true" tends to make this rumour likely to pan out.  There's no CR#, which is odd, but it sounds like what they've given us has been verified by a trusted source.

More to the point, it gels with previous rumours...

...Nonetheless, colour me impressed.  All the features on my own wish list (superb AF and burst rate in a well built body) are being met, if these specs are accurate--and I suspect they are...I don't expect to be disappointed.  Quite the opposite--I think this camera is going to ROCK!!!! :)

I'm guessing that for a large segment the deal maker/breaker is going to be the sensor. And, we really don't have anything close to a reliable rumor on that yet.

Instead, there are some crazy-high expectations floating around and there is a segment of the internet population that is expecting a sensor that defies physics. When that doesn't materialize there will be much whining and gnashing of teeth.

I personally would be very surprised if some major breakthrough in sensor technology is incorporated in the 7DII. In part, because I'm not sure that such a breakthrough technology is even possible. I'm expecting a 24mp sensor with some incremental improvements that place it a little higher on the scale to the 70D sensor. But, I'm not expecting a miracle.

Post Processing / Re: Photoshop eye retouching
« on: August 15, 2014, 05:08:17 PM »
Not sure what high-pass technique you use, but mine is to: wait until I've done everything else I want to the photo. Make a copy of the final merged layer. Select high-pass filter for that layer (usually set somewhere between 2-5 pixels) and use the "hard light" blending mode.

I'll then add an all-black layer mask and then use the brush tool to reveal only the eyes, hair and sometimes lips and teeth. If it looks too intense, I'll reduce the opacity of the high pass layer until it looks natural but sharp. I've found the high-pass filter can often save a photo where a slight error in focusing has left the eyes less than perfectly sharp.

Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 15, 2014, 11:58:40 AM »
First, I think the speculation placing the cost of the 7DII into 5DIII territory is highly unlikely. If that were to be the case, the 7DII would be targeted to a much different (and much smaller) market than than the original 7D.

Generally, though, the specs confirm what I was expecting: a top of the line APS-C camera that sets industry standards, coupled with features that are targeted to very specific users. Just as the 5DIII was clearly targeted to wedding and event photographers with its low-light capabilities, Canon seems to be targeting the 7DII to sports and wildlife photographers.

That doesn't mean it won't be a great all-around camera (just as the 5DIII is), it just means that Canon seems to like to focus on a particular buyer base in order to assure that their upper end cameras have a clear market. If done right, this could be a must-have for sports and wildlife photographers. (Which, while not nearly as large of a professional base as wedding photographers, does have a large contingent of amateur users with high disposable income.)

I tend to agree with Neuro that the "1D build quality" may not mean what some people think it does. It might exceed the 5DIII, but I just don't think there is enough of a market for a $3,000 APS-C camera to justify the kind of bombproof construction the 1D series is noted for. (Unless of course, I'm seriously overestimating the cost of producing 1DX build quality – perhaps it's not as much of a cost factor as I think, given modern production technology.)

The lack of touch screen (if true) tells me that this is not a video-oriented camera. Perhaps Canon's market research shows that videographers don't buy 7Ds. Personally, I'm a bit disappointed because a good touch screen system would certainly be preferable when trying to navigate Canon's convoluted and increasingly complex menu systems. I can only imagine that, if true, it was because they did not feel comfortable with the durability of the touch screen system.

Personally, I'm not sure why you would use dual-pixel technology without a touch-screen, but then I've never been that hopped up on dual-pixels anyway.

Regardless. This will be an interesting release and I will enjoy the build-up over the coming weeks.

EOS Bodies / Re: Medium Format Announcement a \
« on: August 12, 2014, 11:03:04 PM »
I've always struggled to see why talk of "their brand" introducing a medium format system gets certain users (thankfully,  not so many on this particular forum) so excited...any MF system would be more or less completely incompatible with any manufacturer's current 35mm systems,  so who cares about brand?

Yes. Often the excitement is accompanied by unrealistic expectations about pricing or features that would be offered by "their brand." There are those who believe that if "their brand" were to offer a medium format camera that the mere presence of such a camera would instantly revive a market that is dying. Some even imagine that "their brand" will be able to overcome the laws of physics by, for example, offering a larger format that would be magically compatible with existing lenses.

Interestingly, many of these same people seem to have a bit of a love-hate relationship with "their brand" always complaining that it is not living up to its potential and accusing the company of being too worried about making a profit (horrors!).

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