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Speedlites, Printers, Accessories / 580 EXII Discontinued
« on: June 21, 2012, 03:28:08 PM »
That's what Photo Rumors guy is reporting. Any confirmation Canon Rumors Guy?

Not a big surprise I suppose.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Pressure By the Nikon D600?
« on: June 20, 2012, 01:32:55 PM »
There appears to be a strong view on the forums that Nikon lenses cost more at the moment than Canon. It seems that Canon are charging a lot more for their very latest lens releases compared to their earlier versions even allowing for 'original' lens prices. So if they replace a few more lenses in their range could Nikon/Canon lens cost situation be reversed?

Nearly 35 years ago I chose Canon because I was a struggling young newspaper photographer (and yes, many papers expect photographers to buy their own equipment) and I could get an fourth lens for what I saved buying Canon over Nikon. I'm no longer young or a newspaper photographer, but like most people I still have constraints.

This price inflation on lenses has me very concerned and I think Canon is making a big mistake if it continues.

EOS Bodies / Re: NEW FF Body that is able to take EF-S Lens
« on: June 19, 2012, 11:20:17 PM »
I kind of hesitate to bring this up as I am bored with the whole APS-H thing, but I am curious. Has anyone mounted the Tokina 11-16 on a 1D? Does it vignette at the wide end?

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Sandisk Memory Card Sale - Today Only at B&H
« on: June 19, 2012, 07:31:54 PM »
Just a reminder that Canon Price Watch also does a price watch on memory cards on its site. You can compare prices there.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Mirrorless Entry
« on: June 19, 2012, 03:51:38 PM »
Let the gnashing of teeth begin.

Can someone explain the logic here to me, because no matter how hard I try, it just doesn't make sense.

1) There are too many APS-C camera bodies.  According to whom? They are all selling quite nicely, which is the criteria Canon and Nikon use to judge whether or not their marketing strategy is working. Does someone on this forum have some inside knowledge or secret criteria that trumps sales?

2) Canon and Nikon need to merge their second tier crop bodies with their flagship crop bodies. Why? Both seem to have found their markets and sell very well. As long as both companies recover their costs and make a profit on both bodies, what incentive is there to merge them?

3) There isn't enough room for differentiation between the 70D and 7DII. This is basically a variant of #2, but it is patently false. There is already a significant gap in features and construction between the 60D and 7D. The upgrade path for each is pretty clear: 70D inherits most of the features of the 7D, but retains the same body construction and style; 7DII inherits most of the features of the 5DIII but retains the APS-C sensor. Still plenty to differentiate them both and the full frame differentiates the 5DIII and the 7D II.

4) You can't have an APS-C body with a single-digit designation. Probably the most childish and irrational of the points. Who says? It's Canon's company and they can use any designation they want. It's a marketing tool and just like the "L" lens designation, it means whatever Canon wants it to mean. As their use of "L" demonstrates, they don't feel the need to be consistent in anything except that the designation means a higher price.

5) You can't have both an entry-level full frame camera and a flagship APS-C body. Setting aside the fact that this mysterious full frame camera has yet to surface, why can't you? If given a choice between a fully-equipped 7DII that basically mirrors the 5DIII in everything but sensor size vs. a stripped down full framer that causes all my telephoto lenses to lose more than a third of their reach, I know which I will pick. Both cameras can exist side by side because they both have different target markets.

6) Canon wants to move everyone to full frame. Well, yes, they said that several years ago. That's good marketing language, but I'm not seeing a lot of evidence to back it up. And, frankly, wouldn't it make more sense for Canon and Nikon to try to move their enthusiast, prosumer and professional markets to two bodies instead of just one. Having a top of the line 7DII and an entry-level full frame just gives them an opportunity to sell more cameras to the same customers.

Let me go back to point #5 briefly. If Canon is concerned about any camera sales being cannibalized by a bargain full frame body, wouldn't they be more concerned about the bargain camera hurting the sales of the 5DIII? If they make such a camera it has to compete with the feature set of the rumored Nikon full framer without coming too close to the 5DIII. That's a much bigger challenge to differentiation, than the challenge of differentiating the 7DII from the beginner's full frame camera.

(As an aside, how they do that, I think is pretty clear. They will do it the same way they differentiate the 60D from the 7D: Construction. The full framer will likely be an overgrown 60D in a similar composite body with a weaker autofocus and slower frame rate, but with a nifty swivel screen)

Lenses / Re: Where is the Lens EF40mm F2.8 STM made in?
« on: June 18, 2012, 10:48:38 PM »
Maybe this http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e02480581e9a is why the 1DX has been delayed.

Need to get the new factory up and running. :)

Just to add some fuel to the fire: I don't think we know what the quality of the new 18-135 STM lens is yet, so that might be Number Four.

Does make you wonder too, if Canon is considering changing formats, why they would be releasing their first affordable zoom for video in EF-S format? 

I think I'm just going to surrender on the whole APS-H format discussion. It's become a religious issue for some people and no amount of logic or facts will shake their faith that APS-H will rise from the dead and walk the earth again.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon APS-H mirrorless rumor from the past...
« on: June 18, 2012, 12:13:41 PM »
There are some things about this rumor that don't line up.  One of the stated motivations for APS-H mirrorless was to share the R&D costs with the 1D4, which we know isn't happening.  We also have to keep in mind that the rumor is 2 years old, and a lot can change in 2 years.

I tried to bring some sanity to this earlier but my post was deleted. Apparently some people can't handle the truth.

This is a two-year-old rumor based on an e-mail that Photo Rumors guy received. No doubt, Canon Rumors Guy had access to the same information but it never showed up on this site, even as a CR-1.

The rumor precedes the announcement by Canon that it has merged the 1D lines into a single full frame body. That decision solves the problem of having orphaned R&D costs.

The rumor talks about this mysterious APS-H mirrorless camera being released soon. It takes quite a leap of faith to think that "soon" hasn't come and gone over the last two years.

If people want to search the Internet for outdated rumors and then speculate on them that's their prerogative. But, please understand that the likelihood of this materializing is roughly equivalent to finding Elvis working at a gas station in Birmingham, England.

What I'd really like is for Canon to deliver an APS-C sensor with significantly lower ISO noise, and put it in a 1-series type body.

I'd be happy with that sensor in a 5- or 7-series body.


The only other direction I could see for the 7D is this:

APS-C sensor
30 MP
fill in the rest with whatever...

Not so sure, why not 5D3 AF, 22MP, APS-C, 6fps (8-10fps if they can fit two digic 5+, part of me thinks they could get at least 7fps out of one digic 5+ and they chose not to for the 5D3 maybe due to using a slower mirror box, but who knows).
Basically the exact same thing as the 5D3 only it is APS-C and maybe 1-3 more fps.

I don't see 30MP. Perhaps someone is just being pessimistic. Given Canon's emphasis so far this year on ISO over resolution, I wouldn't be surprised to see the 7D sensor stay between 18-22 MP. I wouldn't be surprised to see an extra 1-3 fps and I also expect in most other respects it will be an APS-C version of the 5DIII.

EOS Bodies / Re: Is the 5DIII the New 50D?
« on: June 15, 2012, 01:52:21 PM »
Chuck Alaimo,

Basically, I don't think we are in disagreement. Like you, I've been amazed at how well these two cameras (one at $3,000 and one at $3,500) have been selling when compared to much lower priced models. I just checked the Amazon list and both are in the top 50 for all cameras and photo, which includes point and shoots. And, this at a time when the economy is still struggling.

I was simply speculating on the sustainability, given what appear to be some pretty significant market pressures that may be just around the corner (Pressures, by the way, that are self-inflicted by these two companies if they really do elect to release low-cost full frame models.)

I enjoy watching the competitive market work, observing how companies react and trying to guess where the market and companies may go next.  Most product releases are pretty predictable. And, Canon and Nikon have traditionally released products that are remarkably similar at virtually identical price points. The 5DIII and D800 seemed to break that pattern. Did one of the companies make a mistake? Only time will tell. I just enjoy watching and trying to figure it all out.

From a marketing perspective, a full frame 70D modeled after the 60D makes sense. It would allow an entry level full frame camera, to answer the Nikon D600 without putting to much pricing pressure on the 5D MkIII or the 7D MkII. It could be priced around the 7D without hurting its sales. Just like today most sport shooters would still buy a 1D MkIV over a 5D MkIII, they would by the 7D Mk II over the 70D entry level full frame.

Also an entry level full frame camera is still an entry level camera, not a pro camera, not marketed to pros, it doesn't need pro numbering or a pro body. A poly carb Super Rebel body like the 60D allows lower cost of production to keep the price low. It would work as a back up body for pro full frame shooters, or as an entry level full frame camera for those that want to step up.

100% agreement with your comments. Not sure about the numbering convention though. I think they'll call the full frame entrance level camera something different. (They are running out of numbers though, so not sure what they do) I'm still predicting the high megapixel camera will be called a 5DHD or something similar. Same body as the 5DIII, just a different sensor (and lower frame rate as a result). I think they still need the 70D in the lineup as an APS-C option for those who don't or won't spend as much as what a 7D costs.

Lots of people seem to think Canon and Nikon want to move everyone to full frame. But they might prefer to move everyone to two bodies: one full frame and one APS-C. Having a full range of choices in both formats gives them greater flexibility to suck every available dime out of us.

The 7D mk II HAS to be APS-C. If it is not, there will be blood, sweat, and tears!!!

On a serious note, neutering the 7D MK II would indeed be a marketing disaster. Will canon bloat the sensor to FF? I think not. The 5D MK III is nearly a FF 7d. Will Canon turn the 7D into the 70D? Only if they want Nikon to gobble that market.

Is it possible for Canon to do something mind-numbingly stupid? Yes. Anyone remember ET, the atari game?

Possible? Yes. Likely? No.

Don't despair. Canon is a shrewd, sophisticated company. They know their 7D customers and they know how to get us to upgrade to the II. We will see an APS-C 7DII and it will be spectacular. (And of course, they'll probably squeeze every cent out of us that they can. But we will go happily like lambs to the slaughter because we loves our 7Ds)

The debate over whether we'll see a direct 7D (and D300s) replacement is getting even more interesting.  If the pictures of the D600 on NR are real, what does this imply for a D300s replacement? ...Could Nikon therefore market a 'D400' in the same position as the D300s (i.e. a high end "DX" camera in a D800 style body) alongside this D600 without sending out mixed messages, and if they did, what price point would it occupy? Perhaps the lack of a D400 with the D7000 generation indicates that the high-end 'DX' format camera is dead? Having made this suggestion, Nikon have done this before with the D100 and D70.

Could Nikon market both a D600 and a D400 at similar price points? Could Canon market both a 7DII and a Full-Frame Rebel at similar price points?

Why not?

APS-C and Full Frame are two very different formats with very different strengths and weaknesses. One is not better than the other, they are simply different. It is much easier to market two different products at similar price points than it is to market two nearly identical products at vastly different price points – but that will be the real challenge both Nikon and Canon will face if they release "entry-level" full frame cameras that compete with the 5DIII and the D800.

Almost every other industry gives people similar choices. Look at cars for example. Order the small coupe with all the options or for the same price, get the stripped down full-size sedan. One doesn't eat into the sales of the other because they are bought by two different customers. A much more difficult marketing challenge would be to sell the same full-size sedan at $25,000 and $60,000 with the same engine and nearly identical options.

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