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EOS Bodies / Re: New EOS-1 in 2014 [CR1]
« on: November 20, 2013, 11:28:08 AM »
You did not answer the question: do you have specific sales numbers for Nikon D800/E and 5D III?
My personal guess is, that Nikon sold more D800/E. 

If you had followed the sales trend for the D800 vs 5D3 on US Amazon charts, you'll notice D800 took the lead initially with 5D3 trailing just slightly behind. Now, the 5D3 is in the top 10 while the D800 is nowhere positioned in the top 30 DSLR. Give it another year. If you see the same pattern emerging in mid-2014, you can be quite certain the 5D3 has completely trounced the D800 in sales.

In case you wanna argue it's all about pricing, I can assure you that's not the important factor at play. Rather it's the poor factory QC that killed the D800 sales. Check out the customer reviews: (i) for 5D3 - out of 327 reviews, 278 were 5-stars and 31 were 4-stars (ii) for D800 - out of 309 reviews, 189 were 5-stars and 26 were 4-stars. Pretty big difference there. Remember the left side focus problems with a number of copies of the D800? That's just one example.

You'll see similar sales trends for 6D vs D600 (remember the Nikon factory debris issue), 5D2 vs D700 (well it's 21 vs 12 MP) etc.

The single biggest advantage that Canon has over Nikon etc is the massive success they achieved during the early DSLR years. Canon had such a commanding lead with the release of their sub-$1000 DRebel 300D (despite all the fanboy attacks on its poor AF capabilities, relatively smooth high ISO performance etc) that the competition has never been able to match, not even today.

Lenses / Re: DxO Mark
« on: November 20, 2013, 06:17:30 AM »
Excuse me, but what I don't understand is why there is so much discussion regarding DxO Mark?...

It should also be clear that marketing statements ("image science"?) are sometimes contrary to actual fact. So please excuse DxO for publishing what managers think they should publish, because as a company they have any right to do so. On the other hand there is no reason to complain about this or that score being somewhat different from other tests or actual real life experience.

There is a lot of discussion because many people take them seriously, including somewhat respectable sites like DPReview. Luckily the latter carry out their own tests too.

Lenses / Re: DxO Mark
« on: November 20, 2013, 01:14:56 AM »
That's a good example, while still convoluted, their new methodology seems more in line.

'... more in line...' for the particular example. There are many other cases where their assigned scores are still NOT consistent with real world usage.

Lenses / Re: DxO Mark
« on: November 19, 2013, 08:40:28 PM »
Their sensor plot data has a LOT of credibility.

Just a word of caution for sensors: only the measurement data, NOT the assigned scores. :)

Lenses / Re: More Mentions of 2014 Being the Year of the Lens [CR1]
« on: November 19, 2013, 05:58:14 AM »
“Firstly, a new worlds widest full frame zoom lens (nor sure what this could be)”

There is a 16-35 and a new 14-24 or 12-24 has a big overlap so it would compete with the 16-35. What if they figured out a way to make something like a high quality 10-16 for FF?
An addition on the wide end without overlap is commercially probably the best option, and making money is Canons primary goal.

Hey, I like that! EF 10-16 will make a perfect combo with EF 16-50 f/4 IS. Now if the 10-16 lens does not have a bulging front element, that will be even more attractive.

Lenses / Re: More Mentions of 2014 Being the Year of the Lens [CR1]
« on: November 18, 2013, 11:12:16 PM »
Actually, 2010 was going to be the year of the lens.

I followed the link above and the lens list that followed were CR's predictions, not based on any CR2 type of rumors. What it tells us is CR site owner is poor in predictions.  :P

I will not be surprised if 2014 seriously turns out to be the Year of the Lens. Firstly, Canon Imaging needs to improve on their profits and the ILC market is nearly saturated. So, selling more lenses is an option. Secondly, Nikon has nearly caught up with Canon in the lens department, so it's time for Canon to put some distance between themselves and Nikon. Lenses like the widest rectilinear zoom lens and 16-50 f/4L IS will help cement Canon's status as the manufacturer with the widest lens options. Thirdly, the EOS-M fire sale is working (see Amazon and BCNRanking), so it's time for Canon to release more M-mount lenses.

Lenses / Re: More Mentions of 2014 Being the Year of the Lens [CR1]
« on: November 18, 2013, 09:10:04 PM »
Widest FF zoom lens: 12-24 L f/2.8 USM
Except 12mm is already being done; they'd have to make it an 11-xx lens to be the widest.

That will be pretty cool. But the lens need to be as sharp as the 14-24 f/2.8 wide-open. If Canon's EF-S 10-22 is much sharper than Nikon's DX 10-24, I don't see why they cannot do the same for FF ultrawide lens.

Lenses / Re: More Mentions of 2014 Being the Year of the Lens [CR1]
« on: November 18, 2013, 08:37:20 PM »
Bring it on, Canon. I am all ready to splurge on lenses... :D

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 15, 2013, 10:57:22 AM »
Yeah. What lunatic continues to buy gear they hate?

A lying troll? :D

Yes. I agree about long lenses on mirrorless :-\ It doesn't make sense.

The market has clearly devided in segments:
1. DSLR system - Canon & Nikon are still the best choice for photogs
2. Compact high end & mirrorless systems - Sony & Fuji seem to have upper hand

The Sony 70-200 f/4 OSS lens for mirrorless E-mount weighs 840g, even heavier than Canon EF 70-200 f/4 IS lens. While Sony wide to standard lenses for FF E-mount are lighter than Canon's EF lenses, the weight of their telephoto lenses immediately negates all the so-called mirrorless advantage.

For mirrorless, Sony and Olympus dominates. Fujifilm market share is too small. Remember the Internet Amplification Effect: many folks may claim the Fuji mirrorless cameras are excellent, but the market isn't buying them.

This fits perfectly into what Thom Hogan calls the Internet Amplification Effect, described in http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/tough-camera-questions.html. The Olympus EM5 is an example. We'll see how the A7/A7r pan out... I suspect they'll go down the same route.

"Beware the Internet amplification effect (IAE). Supposedly the OM-D E-M5 has been a hot, hit camera, but Olympus only sold 250,000 total m4/3 cameras in the first six months of their fiscal year, and that worked out to  about 200k Pen-type cameras and about 50,000 E-M5). A camera can appear to be "hot" because loud voices are praising it and others are repeating that message, but the IAE doesn't always translate to sales numbers that change the marketplace."

PS: In comparison, Canon sold about 4 million and Nikon about 3.2 million interchangeable lens cameras in 6 months this year.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS Rebel SL1/Kiss X7 in White
« on: November 14, 2013, 09:18:44 AM »
When Canon decides to incorporate the 70D type of specs in a camera as small as the 100D, I'll get one, regardless of its color.  ;D

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 13, 2013, 08:19:21 AM »
BTW, why hasn't anyone considered some of those 8 lenses might be for cinema?
And also EF-S and EF-M...

In an interview with CEO Imaging of Canon, he says:

"The concept of the EOS M is to make an interchangeable lens camera as small as possible while retaining the quality we would expect from an EOS product. It must be able to support a wide range of lenses - without that support, there's no point making it. Looking at the data, we're not seeing the EOS-M users making use of a variety of lenses. So one of the challenges is to roll-out a lineup of attractive lenses - that is our response to encourage people to use them"

- http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0336328811/cp-2013-interview-with-canons-masaya-maeda?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=news-list&utm_medium=text&ref=title_1

Will be rather sad if Canon does not roll out more EF lenses....

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 12, 2013, 09:16:14 PM »
Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR, Low ISO DR.....  ;D ;D ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: A Pellicle Mirror by Canon
« on: November 11, 2013, 07:45:57 PM »
...I do not see how an EVF will ever even be as good as an OVF, let alone superior to one.

Well said. That is the reason I sold my entire OMD mirrorless stuff.

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