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Lenses / Re: New EOS-M Lenses Soon [CR2]
« on: January 17, 2013, 07:08:42 AM »
Canon could have easily churned out a mirrorless with a 5d mark ii-like sensor in it with a similar body style to the EOS-M, and kept it priced competitively.

Pricing a camera with a FF sensor competitively is pretty hard. Just look at the fixed lens Sony RX1 as a guide. :) Want a cheaper FF camera? You've already got the D600 and 6D.

Canon is in the business of money making. I'm sure their marketing staff must have done their homework and concluded APS-C is the way of the future. The sensors are cheaper to produce and the accompanying lenses are also smaller. Until manufacturers find a cheaper means to produce FF sensors, they'll always be reserved for a niche market.

Lenses / Re: New EOS-M Lenses Soon [CR2]
« on: January 17, 2013, 04:55:26 AM »
Canon may have been late to the game, but they could have sold many EOS-M units if only they AF as fast as the Oly/Panny MILCs.

Anyway, a new EOS-M with super fast AF (as good as Oly/Panny/Sony/current Fujifilm) and some decent OVF/EVF decent may entice me to sell my Oly OM-D and Panny lens setup. The reason? I can use lenses like the 35 f/2 IS interchangeably between the 6D and EOS-M cameras.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
« on: January 03, 2013, 06:06:41 PM »
The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand!

They don't? Ha, ha...

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
« on: January 03, 2013, 05:59:40 PM »
there are a few german sites who have tested the lens... for example:


If it's as bad as Traumflieger says, I'll be quite happy to purchase the 24-105 kit. Saves me quite a bit of money too.  ;D

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
« on: January 03, 2013, 05:57:41 PM »
Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.
Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

What about comparing initial MSRP when lenses were first launched? You may even find the initial offer prices of the 24-105 HIGHER than that of 24-70 f/4 now.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon DSLR Body Rumors for 2013
« on: January 01, 2013, 09:34:57 PM »
The EOS-M2 catches my eye. If it has fast AF at a reasonable price, I may give it some thought.

Sidenote, Kodak operated in a market that went through disruptive change and they weren't able to follow/lead in that environment. A better example of a company that has or is about to lose touch with its market is Apple. They are trying to lock in their customers into proprietary solutions in a market that demands open and compatible solutions. Secondly, they have. already started to follow their competition with launching the mini ipad. Hence lost initiative.

Canon is not there and I can't see them going there either. Their dSLR lineup is the strongest ever and they're offering a very strong feature set in those products that helps the serious photographer in their daily business.

Well said. Canon do have some weaknesses (the most prominent being the ridiculous AF speed of the EOS-M), but as a whole, they are doing OK.

Carl Zeiss, Nikon, Leitz, Sneider,   some Sigma, Tamron
there are fantastic primes out there.
Happy new year

I am longing for Nikon's f/1.8 trinity: 28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.8 and 85 f/1.8... awesome performance at affordable prices

In other words, it's more reason to pay attention to trends in sales figures and changes in the competitive landscape as opposed to the current market snapshot.

Up to end of 2011, Canon hardly lost any market shares worldwide.

2010: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-15/sony-nikon-narrow-gap-to-canon-with-new-digital-camera-models.html.
"In the market for cameras with interchangeable lens, or single lens reflex cameras, Canon controlled 44.5 percent of the market, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent"

2011: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/30/us-canon-results-idUSTRE80T09Q20120130.
Thom Hogan (bythom.com) translated Nikon's sale of 4.7 million interchangeable lens cameras in 2011 as 31% market share. This means Canon's sale of 7.2 million interchangeable lens cameras has a market share of 47.5%. So, little changed from 2010 to 2011.

We'll see what happens in 2012.

We should keep in mind having the latest and best technology does not EQUATE to survival. Olympus, Panasonic and Sony are all bleeding very badly... not in the photographic business, but when overall financials are considered. Currently, Canon's only worthy competitor is Nikon. :)

Example: Sony didn't lose the lead in the TV market over one day or one year. It happened little by little that the general opinion of who produced the best TVs was not Sony any more.

Actually, the Japanese companies (Sharp, Sony, Panasonic) lost the entire TV market almost instantly because Samsung offered better technology at a lower price almost 'instantly' (within ~ 2 years). :)

I would love to see a further breakdown on that, including a graph of 5D2/5D3 sales over the course of CY2012.

BCNRanking does not provide graph but says in the Japanese DSLR sector:

Canon 5D2 - Rank 12 - 2.1% market share
Canon 5D3 - Rank 15 - 1.8% market share
Nikon D800 - Rank 16 - 1.6% market share
Nikon D600 - Rank 20 - 0.7% market share

Canon 6D was available for sale only in December.

Wow, CR really disappoints with this post. For one thing, the data are from sales in Japan only. But the real story here is the mirrorless category, which is taking almost HALF of all interchangeable lens sales according to the report.

Yes, this is what I wanted to point out indirectly above. :)

In the worldwide market, I suspect Nikon managed to grab some market shares from Canon in 2012. How much? We'll have to wait for the details.

Let's not get too excited about all the numbers. It's only for the Japanese market. We'll have to wait a while for the world wide market shares to come in.

Anyway, here are further details about the Japanese market shares.

#1 Olympus: 29.8% (36.6% in 2011)
#2 Panasonic 23.6% (29.3% in 2011)
#3 Sony 20.0% (27.3% in 2011)
#4 Nikon 14.3%
#5 Pentax 9.4%
#6 Canon 2.1%

Looks like the top 3 in 2011 ceded market shares to Nikon and Pentax in 2012. Nikon J1 was wildy successful in the first half of 2012 due to heavy discounting. If Canon had decent AF performance, more lens choices and more camera choices with their MILC offerings, they would have done better.

#1 Canon 52.9% (46.3% in 2011)
#2 Nikon 34.8% (39.2% in 2011)
#3 Sony ?
#4 Pentax ? (7.5% in 2011)

Looks like Nikon's hard promotion and heavy discounting efforts for their DSLRs did not gain them very much in 2012 within Japan. As a matter of fact, they lost even more DSLR market shares to Canon in 2012 than 2011. Canon's 5D2 and 5D3 accounted for 3.9% market shares while Nikon's D800 and D600 merely earned 2.3%.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T4i or wait for T5i?
« on: December 27, 2012, 09:19:32 PM »
Just wait for the T5i's announcement if you do not need it urgently. If it's a brand new 24 MP sensor (hopefully featuring the new 0.18 fabrication process), then the imaging sensor alone is worth the wait. If it's the same old same old 18 MP sensor, then the price of T4i will have fallen further by then.

Canon should take aim at the RX100. Extremely compact. Fast AF like the G15. And they'll have a winner.

Merely replacing the lens in the G1X isn't going to do much for sales.

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