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It means that the sensor in D800  at APS mode = 15,3Mp  has better pixels  signal =they have a greater efficiency than the 7D.

This thread is about resolution, not your all-time-favorite topic on dynamic range and SNR.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 27, 2013, 08:39:03 AM »
If we assume no sensor improvements, we get the following:

Look at the T4i. You can't pimp it out much more. The only things missing are wireless and GPS. Other than that, it has every function canon has for a camera. If there was a new rebel, you have to add this. This leaves the 70D with the only possible improvements over the new rebel as better build, shoulder display, and the reintroduction of AFMA. Since they said it would be incremental improvement..... No new sensor....

The 7Dii, if it is to better than the 70D, would have to be dual processors for higher fps....plus all the 70D functions except for tilt/swivel screen.

The problem is that I can pick up an Olympus E-M5 that beats the iq of any canon APS-c camera and they are supposed to be introducing an even better successor to the E-5 ..... Or I can go Panasonic......or I can go Sony..... Or I can go Nikon.... Canon is now positioned at the bottom of the APS-c world for iq and even micro four thirds is beating it. A new sensor is long overdue and no upgrade will be worth it until they release one. I just hope they do it before we add iPhone to the list of cameras with better sensors.

Well said. I've replaced my APS-C stuff with the Oly OM-D E-M5. :D

DR is not a hype it is a fact and it needs skills to use it , no one will have less DR or a lens with lower resolution
Hello, can I have a 300/2.8 MK3 IS with lower resolution- please

While I will also like to see marked improvements in low ISO DR from Canon, Panasonic and Samsung sensors, I do not harp on it like it's the only thing that matters in life.

I seriously what's gonna happen to you when the above manufacturers finally match the low ISO DR of Sony sensors? Will you lose your purpose in life? :D

Lenses / Re: New EOS-M Lenses Soon [CR2]
« on: January 17, 2013, 10:28:35 AM »
That's right.... bash Canon for trying to make an inexpensive compact camera and not using a full frame sensor....

Do you realize what using a full frame sensor means......  it means that you need full frame sized lenses... remember the silly looking picture of the EOS-M mounted onto the 800/5.6 just after it was released.. that's the direction you head with full frame sensors.... large and expensive...

The vast bulk of people will never understand why you would pay $500 for a lens.... and $5,000 for a lens is unthinkable. these are the same people that buy hundreds of rebels and point/shoots for every "pro" camera sold.... these are the people that are paying for the R/D to keep new inovations coming, these are the people that are paying to keep the lights on at the Canon factory.

Next time you want to start a rant about something, think before you type.....

It's shocking how very few think before they type.  ;D

Lenses / Re: New EOS-M Lenses Soon [CR2]
« on: January 17, 2013, 07:08:42 AM »
Canon could have easily churned out a mirrorless with a 5d mark ii-like sensor in it with a similar body style to the EOS-M, and kept it priced competitively.

Pricing a camera with a FF sensor competitively is pretty hard. Just look at the fixed lens Sony RX1 as a guide. :) Want a cheaper FF camera? You've already got the D600 and 6D.

Canon is in the business of money making. I'm sure their marketing staff must have done their homework and concluded APS-C is the way of the future. The sensors are cheaper to produce and the accompanying lenses are also smaller. Until manufacturers find a cheaper means to produce FF sensors, they'll always be reserved for a niche market.

Lenses / Re: New EOS-M Lenses Soon [CR2]
« on: January 17, 2013, 04:55:26 AM »
Canon may have been late to the game, but they could have sold many EOS-M units if only they AF as fast as the Oly/Panny MILCs.

Anyway, a new EOS-M with super fast AF (as good as Oly/Panny/Sony/current Fujifilm) and some decent OVF/EVF decent may entice me to sell my Oly OM-D and Panny lens setup. The reason? I can use lenses like the 35 f/2 IS interchangeably between the 6D and EOS-M cameras.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS in Stock at B&H Photo
« on: January 03, 2013, 06:06:41 PM »
The huge problem with canon users is that they don't demand!

They don't? Ha, ha...

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
« on: January 03, 2013, 05:59:40 PM »
there are a few german sites who have tested the lens... for example:


If it's as bad as Traumflieger says, I'll be quite happy to purchase the 24-105 kit. Saves me quite a bit of money too.  ;D

Pricewatch Deals / Re: EF 24-70 f/4L IS Available January 7, 2013
« on: January 03, 2013, 05:57:41 PM »
Comparing MSRP to MSRP, the new lens is 30% more expensive than the 24-105.
Comparing current street prices, it is 100% more expensive ($1500 compared to $750).

What about comparing initial MSRP when lenses were first launched? You may even find the initial offer prices of the 24-105 HIGHER than that of 24-70 f/4 now.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon DSLR Body Rumors for 2013
« on: January 01, 2013, 09:34:57 PM »
The EOS-M2 catches my eye. If it has fast AF at a reasonable price, I may give it some thought.

Sidenote, Kodak operated in a market that went through disruptive change and they weren't able to follow/lead in that environment. A better example of a company that has or is about to lose touch with its market is Apple. They are trying to lock in their customers into proprietary solutions in a market that demands open and compatible solutions. Secondly, they have. already started to follow their competition with launching the mini ipad. Hence lost initiative.

Canon is not there and I can't see them going there either. Their dSLR lineup is the strongest ever and they're offering a very strong feature set in those products that helps the serious photographer in their daily business.

Well said. Canon do have some weaknesses (the most prominent being the ridiculous AF speed of the EOS-M), but as a whole, they are doing OK.

Carl Zeiss, Nikon, Leitz, Sneider,   some Sigma, Tamron
there are fantastic primes out there.
Happy new year

I am longing for Nikon's f/1.8 trinity: 28 f/1.8, 50 f/1.8 and 85 f/1.8... awesome performance at affordable prices

In other words, it's more reason to pay attention to trends in sales figures and changes in the competitive landscape as opposed to the current market snapshot.

Up to end of 2011, Canon hardly lost any market shares worldwide.

2010: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-15/sony-nikon-narrow-gap-to-canon-with-new-digital-camera-models.html.
"In the market for cameras with interchangeable lens, or single lens reflex cameras, Canon controlled 44.5 percent of the market, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent"

2011: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/30/us-canon-results-idUSTRE80T09Q20120130.
Thom Hogan (bythom.com) translated Nikon's sale of 4.7 million interchangeable lens cameras in 2011 as 31% market share. This means Canon's sale of 7.2 million interchangeable lens cameras has a market share of 47.5%. So, little changed from 2010 to 2011.

We'll see what happens in 2012.

We should keep in mind having the latest and best technology does not EQUATE to survival. Olympus, Panasonic and Sony are all bleeding very badly... not in the photographic business, but when overall financials are considered. Currently, Canon's only worthy competitor is Nikon. :)

Example: Sony didn't lose the lead in the TV market over one day or one year. It happened little by little that the general opinion of who produced the best TVs was not Sony any more.

Actually, the Japanese companies (Sharp, Sony, Panasonic) lost the entire TV market almost instantly because Samsung offered better technology at a lower price almost 'instantly' (within ~ 2 years). :)

I would love to see a further breakdown on that, including a graph of 5D2/5D3 sales over the course of CY2012.

BCNRanking does not provide graph but says in the Japanese DSLR sector:

Canon 5D2 - Rank 12 - 2.1% market share
Canon 5D3 - Rank 15 - 1.8% market share
Nikon D800 - Rank 16 - 1.6% market share
Nikon D600 - Rank 20 - 0.7% market share

Canon 6D was available for sale only in December.

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