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Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 01:38:56 AM »
I would be surprised to L versions of both the 14-24 and 16-50.  Latter seems like an odd focal length for an L lens.

Surprised by 16-50 f/4L (~3x zoom) too. But it's a CR2 rumor and sounds like a plausible replacement to 17-40 f/4L (~2.3x zoom). If it's true, I'm in lens heaven! That's all I need when I travel with my FF camera! As long as its price stays below US$2k, I'll be the first in line.

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 11, 2013, 12:58:32 AM »
To summarise:
45 TS/E
90/2.8 TS/E
... makes 8 lenses. No big zooms. I wonder if someone just went through and counted up all of the patent and other rumors for Canon this year and created a new rumor?

I like the list above. Makes a lot of sense. :)

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 10, 2013, 09:01:32 PM »
Everyone thus far has forgotten to include the 16-50/L IS that was meant for this year:

2010: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.0 EF 16-50 f/4L H-IS
2013: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=15455.0 14-24 f/2.8L, EF 16-50 f/4L IS

2012: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=7362.0 14-24 after the 200-400.

I hope the above CR2 rumors (except for the 2010 reference) come true. Some awesome ultrawide FF zoom lenses are what Canonites need now: 14-24 f/2.8 and 16-50 f/4.

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 10, 2013, 06:55:01 PM »
8 lenses .. well let's see:

EOS 70-200/4 L IS Mk. II @ USD/€ 1,790

That is a weird idea.

Lenses / Re: Lots of New Lenses Coming in 2014 [CR2]
« on: November 10, 2013, 06:53:44 PM »
And with the 16-35, 17-40 and 24-105, Canon means crap corners at the wide end.

You forgot the wide primes 14 mm f/2.8L Mk II, TSE 17 mm f/4L, 24 mm f/2.8 IS, 28 mm f/2.8 IS all have great corners. The 24-70 f/2.8L Mk II and 24-70 f/4L IS all have good corners at the wide end. Even the 24-105 f/4L IS is decent at the wide end; it just has pronounced barrel distortion there.

I am waiting decent replacements for the 17-40 f/4L. A 16-50 f/4L IS replacement will be highly welcome.

If the Sony A7 will not sell well this may already happen in Q1/Q2 of 2014. :-)

Well, let's wait and see... I am willing to bet sales of A7 won't come close to D800/5D3/D610/6D/

I am just observing the market. And looking out for my next camera after my 7d. I still like it.  And it'll soon have been my last DSLR. Bye bye mirror slap. :-)

I tried to leave the mirror slap 1.5 years ago. Got myself an OMD EM5. Used it for a year. Took it for a trip but hated the shooting experience so much the camera stayed in my bag most of the time even though it was always with me. Hated the EVF. Hated the ergonomics. Sold the camera and plunged headlog back into the world of DSLRs.

Waiting for "the right"mirrorless camera at affordable price without having to sacrifice much in speed/performance (AF) and ergonomics (esp. OVF vs. EVF) compared to their current DSLRs...

Sony's A7/R are just about "attractive enough" to capture some in that group. Or may settle for mfT or Fuji X camera. Will start buying FF mirrorless, once really good sub USD/€ 2000 offerings come. And then also replace their lens parks over time to native mirrorless lenses with shorter flange distance. Whoever of the 3 - Canon, Nikon, Sony gets there first, will take market leadership.

Here we go again, folks who predict the demise of DSLRs and the triumph of MILCs. People have been saying this for years since the appearance of the first MILC... Yet, this has not been borne out by actual shipment numbers. In N. America and Europe, for every MILC sold in 2013, 9 to 10 DSLRs are sold. Yes, that is how poorly received MILCs are.

As it seems you haven't grasped the sense of the lines you quoted, the point is in fact that the article is about DSLR sale decline, though it's not clear if the figures refer to that or to camera sales in total.

Something being easy doesn't make it correct, by the way.

Here are some definite numbers to work with:

a) From the latest CIPA numbers (till Sep 2013) and Nikon's Nov 2013 financial report, 7,481,644 DSLRs were shipped in the period Mar-Sep 2013, of which 2,980,000 (39.8%) came from Nikon. Most of the remaining 60.2% of shipped DSLRs probably came from Canon since we do not expect Pentax and Sony to sell many DSLRs. That gives us a hint of Canon's market shares in the DSLR arena for the period Mar-Sep 2013.

b) In the period of Jan-Sep 2013, for every MILC shipped worldwide, 4.66 DSLRs were shipped.

c) Thom Hogan just posted his latest analysis/prediction of the market here based on Nikon's financial report. He translated Nikon's forecast of 6.2 mil interchangeable lens cameras (DSLR + MILC) into 33.1% market shares.Canon expects to sell 8 mil interchangeable lens cameras which is equivalent to 42.7% market shares based on Thom Hogan's analysis. Total Canikon market shares add up to 75.8%, consistent with 2010, 2011 and 2012 numbers.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Major IQ advantage of FF?
« on: November 07, 2013, 12:47:44 AM »
In many things the more you get into something the more you understand and perceive the complexities.  I am not a wine guy and $100 a bottle wine does not taste much different to me than $10.  So while I'm not going to buy $100 bottles of wine, I'm not going to sit and debate the guy who does.

FF has some advantages as does crop.  If you can afford it and enjoy it, buy what suits you, heck buy both.

The wonderful thing about photography is while many debate FF/crop, RAW vs. Jpeg, and on and on, others will produce, display and sell quality images.

Well said!

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Major IQ advantage of FF?
« on: November 07, 2013, 12:40:10 AM »
Image details. Use the ISO 12233 Sample Crops in The Digital Pictures to see the difference.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Off Brand: Nikon Announces the Df
« on: November 05, 2013, 11:21:28 AM »
Nikon DF - 5.6 x 4.3 x 2.6" :: 710g for camera body
Canon 6D - 5.7 x 4.4 x 2.8"  :: 770g for camera body


Nikon DF + battery + memory card = 765g
Canon 6D + battery + memory card = 770g

I've said it before and will say it again. The DF is too expensive, too heavy and too crippled (for its price compared to D610). A sure dud in sales.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 05, 2013, 02:09:33 AM »
Too heavy, too expensive and no video.

A sure misfire!

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 06:33:52 AM »
Nikon 1 has not been a misfire. Not long ago production couldn't keep up with demand. Eventually market saturation occurred and sales went drastically down. The underwater version seems to be a good way to revamp the system - it's what "weather sealing" should actually mean and I'm interested in a camera that costs less than most underwater casings alone.

Market saturation => overall market demand is low. The fact that DSLRs now outsell MILCs by 9:1 in N. America and Europe is proof of that. Misfire? Absolutely.

Underwater version is great. I love the idea too! But how many folks need underwater cameras... again a very niche market.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Rumor: Nikon Digital FM2 - Retro look
« on: November 04, 2013, 06:25:21 AM »
Here's my take on it: the DF will  be the most successful Nikon FF camera to date.

NO WAY that is gonna happen if it weighs > 750g and costs US$3000

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