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EOS Bodies / Re: New Sensor Tech in EOS 7D Mark II [CR2]
« on: September 10, 2014, 11:35:13 AM »
I seriously hope this bit of rumor about new Canon sensor tech is true.

I am already very disappointed by the so-called Year of the Lens rumor.

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For Jrista:

2011 Market:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/30/us-canon-results-idUSTRE80T09Q20120130

Thom Hogan (bythom.com) translated Nikon's sale of 4.7 million interchangeable lens cameras as 31% market share. This means Canon's sale of 7.2 million interchangeable lens cameras has a market share of 47.5%.

2012 Market:
http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/why-cp-was-so-grim.html

Total number of interchangeable lens cameras sold = 20.2 million
Canon sold 8.21 million interchangeable lens cameras = 40.6%
Nikon sold 7 million interchangeable lens cameras = 34.7%

2013 Market:
http://www.dslrbodies.com/newsviews/nikon-sees-corner-ahead.html

Nikon finished the year with 34% of the interchangeable lens camera market
Not clear how many interchangeable lens cameras were sold by Canon in 2013.

From:
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_canon/newsroom?pageKeyCode=pressreldetail&docId=0901e02480891911

"Canon Inc., today announced that the company's EOS line of interchangeable-lens digital cameras (Digital SLR and compact-system cameras) have consistently maintained the No. 1 share worldwide in terms of volume within the interchangeable-lens digital camera market for the 10-year period from 2003 to 2012."

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I'd offer one point: That Canon's "Imaging" business is much larger than consumer cameras, and also much larger in the range of markets they serve than Nikon's. Canon does photography, video, cinematography, printing, and more (plus all the accessories for all those submarkets). It even includes projectors, display technology, as well as network video (surveillance?) That's their "Imaging" business. Nikon's imaging business is just digital photography (plus accessories).

See:
http://www.canon.com/ir/conference/pdf/conf2014q2e.pdf
http://www.canon.com/ir/results/2014/rslt2014q2e.pdf

From the report:
"Within the Imaging System Business Unit, although sales volume of interchangeable-lens digital cameras declined owing to the shrinking market in Japan and other markets... the advanced-amateur-model EOS 70D realized healthy growth, enabling Canon to maintain the top share in major markets such as Europe, the U.S. and Japan."

Breakdown of product sales under Imaging System in the report: cameras and lenses (64%), inkjet printers (27%) and others (9%).

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jrista,
What is the point of this thread?

He hopes to find evidence to show that Canon is no longer the market leader. Whenever he whines about poor DR on Canon sensors, some folks will argue sensor quality has no correlation to market sales. I suppose Jrista just wants to prove them wrong, hence his interest in the combined market shares of Nikon and Sony vs that of Canon. :D

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Based on the current Amazon Digital Camera best sellers rankings...

If you really want to follow US Amazon rankings, you need to CONSTANTLY monitor the charts. Those charts are updated very frequently. I have looked at them and Canon dominates the DSLR list about 60% of the time. The same goes for BCNRanking.

As for global sales numbers, I should have the data. Can furnish later.

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MILC and DSLR are two kind of cameras for somewhat different needs. Everyone is free to choose the one that suits them better. SLR are very mature, and they probably peaked a few years ago, there is not much room left for further big improvments. MILCs are rather young and have the best time still ahead; so I think they will gain marketshare. We will see what the future brings; but DSLR will be here for quite some time.

I certainly hope what you say is true. As I mentioned previously, I will always pick an OVF over an EVF (at least those in the current generation).

But if Canikon hopes to survive in the long run, they must rapidly release more MILC camera models and lenses. In many parts (especially Asian) of the world, DSLRs are passe and this only translates into reduced profits if not higher losses for Canikon. Of course, Canon has another area they urgently need to improve in: sensor quality. :D

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As soon as fully competitive offerings to fuji X-T1, X-E2 and sony A7/R/S are available from canon and nikon, the market will turn within 2 years and DSLRs will be relegated to small specialist niches - mainly fields of photography where large lenses are needed (Superteles) to capture fast action - wildlife, birds, sports...

The switch to mirrorless is not 10 years away, it is happening now. Solid state digital cameras are replacing mechanical mirrorslappers just like streamed music has replaced CDs after these had replaced vinyl LPs.

+1

I do not know why many folks are still in denial. Sigh...

a) The 2014 CIPA data shown is not taken over 1 or 2 months, but over 7 months.

b) The ratio of DSLR:MILCs shipped has ALWAYS been higher than 8:1 in Europe and America. Always... even when multiple MILCs were released and no new exciting DSLR was in sight. That ratio however has now dipped below 6:1.

c) Some believe the release of 7D2 and D750 is going to tip the scales in favor of DSLRs. I seriously doubt that. These are expensive high-end cameras with limited attraction to the masses.

By the end of the year, the sharp decline in interest over DSLRs will be very obvious.

This change is inevitable.

PS: Personally, I still can't get over the EVF hurdle (in terms of speed and presentation). But I know many have adapted to EVF effortlessly.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 07, 2014, 09:51:45 PM »
Whether the company selling the most remains competitive is what matters.

Canon is definitely NOT competitive at the consumer front. Sales of mirrorless cameras is picking up while interest in DSLRs is waning quickly... All Canon offers is the pathetic M. The RX100 outsells the G1X and G15/6 by a HUGE margin, so Canon is going to follow suit and introduce 1" sensors in their Powershot series. And we have not mentioned the lacklustre Canon sensors.  :'(

Oh... and the Canon Year of the Lens has now become the Year of Reduced Prices for Canon Lenses. ::)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you planning to purchase a 7D2
« on: September 04, 2014, 11:51:46 PM »
Will get one if (a) it weighs no more than 70D (b) sensor performance is comparable to Sony equivalent (c) reasonably priced

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Lenses / Re: Canon Price Drops on L Lenses
« on: September 02, 2014, 10:50:08 AM »
I have to agree that the age of DSLRs is coming to a close. Canon knows it and I suspect the recent price cut is to clear their in-house stock.

Look at the latest CIPA numbers:

Ratio of DSLR to MILC shipped between Jan and July 2014:
Worlwide = 3.23:1
Japan =1.52:1
America (North and South) = 5.5:1 (WOW, WOW, WOW...)
Europe = 4.6:1 (WOW, WOW, WOW...)

Compare that ratio to Jan - Dec 2013:
Worlwide = 4.18:1
Japan =1.63:1
America (North and South) = 8.9:1 (drastic drop in 2014.. WOW)
Europe = 7.1:1

In the MILC arena, Sony is the current leader... Olympus, Panasonic and the rest are left in the dust. Nikon, of course, made a huge blunder with their tiny 1-series camera sensors but there is still time for Canon to change their course....

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Lenses / Re: Canon Price Drops on L Lenses
« on: August 31, 2014, 10:33:54 AM »
Hehehe. They price it to high. We don't buy enough. They are forced to lower their prices.
Free market at work.
Will still not buy as long as canon does not bring mirrorless FF.

That is a non sequitur. One will STILL not buy an EF 24-70 f/4 IS even if one has a mirrorless FF. The EF lens is too large and heavy for mirrorless mount. Compare to CZ 24-70 f/4 OSS. (On the other hand, the Sony 70-200 f/4 OSS lens is much heavier than the EF version... go figure...)

I am wondering if Canon is dumping their storehouse stock before they move into mirrorless....

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Lenses / Re: New Lens Information for Photokina
« on: August 29, 2014, 08:03:43 PM »
I am most curious about the 1" sensor camera from Canon. The Sony RX100 has an awesome sensor. Now we'll know if Canon has the capability to produce a camera with the same performance.

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Lenses / Re: New Lens Information for Photokina
« on: August 29, 2014, 11:10:30 AM »
Why release an EF 24-105 lens with the 7D2? Makes little sense to me.

Personally, I am keen on a lightweight EF 28-300 lens like the Tamron version.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II & Photokina
« on: August 28, 2014, 09:20:40 PM »
The ISO range is reportedly the same as on the 70D, which doesn't bode well.
I really hope that I'm wrong, though :(.

100% in agreement.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 28, 2014, 04:40:10 AM »
all you people see is that it supposedly has 20MP.

People are disappointed if it's the same 20 MP sensor from 70D.

If it's a 20 MP sensor based on EXMOR or better technology, I am sure you won't find so many pages of rant.

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