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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Firmware?

« on: August 01, 2012, 11:10:20 AM »

Thanks Neuro, I will check that Safety shift setting. I understand about the pop up firing the slave, I thought it was radio frequency though.

...Canon introduced RF (radio frequency) trigger/flash with 600 EX-RT and ST-E3 this year in March (so no possibility in 3 years old camera). No other flash or camera has this tech inside.

With rumored new 4xx EX-RT I would be tempted to look at Canon's RT technology - but for now I keep using my trusty 430EX II with Pixel King triggers.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 31, 2012, 03:09:30 PM »

i need buy a new camera, 7d or wait 4 new 7d2? (i need know when new 7d2 come out!

All points to 7D Mk II to be announced rather next year then in 2012. We hear mostly of "lower class" FF and high MPx FF to be announced this year. My bet for APS-C replacement is for 60D. But...I might be wrong. Well, you can wait for Photokina and see for yourself what comes out.  Even IF 7D Mk II comes out - it will be priced higher then current one with some specs updated (so new pricing could lead you to buying 7D anyway). Its your call now. If you were in the market for FF upgrade I would say hold and see what comes...but with 7D I would not be that certain about waiting...

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Lenses / Re: 20mm f/2.8 vs. 28mm f/1.8

« on: July 29, 2012, 04:44:32 PM »

So here we go, all shots using 450D and 28 f/1.8 at ISO 1600 and at f/2. No adjustments made, just sharpness at 3 in camera, conversion to JPEG via DPP.

https://picasaweb.google.com/118404355708350245990/Cats

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 29, 2012, 01:27:59 PM »

As for now Canon does not implement flip screen into thougher and (at least partially) sealed bodies (1D, 7D and 5D series).

As Marsu42 has already said "The 7d was released before Canon had *any* bodies with swivel screen, so the reason might be completely different."

A swivel screen can be one of the features that can make a difference with a 5D MK3!

Well, all I stated before was according to original post (Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)). I assume that it could be something like 7D/5D Mk II in terms of design - they both have buttons on the left and fixed screen. Many of users that came in contact with 7D/5D Mk II would agree that this placement of buttons is better - you can make adjustments (presets, menu etc) with both hands. On 60 D you need to use only your thumb to do everything.

Heh, and I can remember situation after 60D release: "This is a plastic body ?! No more magnesium alloy like 50D had ?! No more AFMA ?!". And yes, I can see same situation happening now. And I remeber that many users complained about center multiple-way "thing" - quiet though and difficult to press.

...I guess we will see soon. Like always, there are two groups of users - one want 7D-like body, mag-alloy, sealed - other want swivel screen 


EDIT: Dont you nowdays have a possibility to attach external LCD via HDMI (better resolition, bigger, better for precise focusing) ? You can get 7" LCD for +- 180 USD (which is not so much).

...or you can get this:
http://www.eoshd.com/content/8189/an-affordable-articulated-screen-with-peaking-for-the-5d-mark-iii-the-swivi-usa

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 28, 2012, 11:25:22 AM »

...
I think that 70D gets swivel screen with touch, new sensor with phase AF, 6-8 fps (depends on how 7D Mk II specs would be like) and better AF (probably from 7D). 7D Mk II could have same sensor as 70D with 61-point AF, 10 fps, mag-alloy body with fixed screen.

From my point of view, Canon:

• needs true replacement for 5D Mk II as FF for enthusiasts
• price it similarly to 5D Mk II - so around 2000 USD
• should make it like "more then 5D Mk II" but "less then 5D Mk III" - less fps (around 4), smaller buffer, lower ISO range (to 51200/102 400 as max expanded) etc - basicly not to cut form 7D and 5D Mk III sales
• should make it with better AF then 5D Mk II but not 61-point - 7D-like AF or 31-point with 9 cross-type
• should make it from mag-alloy with some sort of sealing - 5D Mk II-like

This kind of body should give them enough difference from 7D and 5D Mk III. Some of current 5D Mk II users might upgrade, some of 7D users would like it as a second body, some of 5D Mk III could buy it as a backup, it would attract 60D/xxxD and xxxxD users. For me - winner for Canon.
...

This does make a lot of sense, and I sure hope you are correct

Ive been thinking of what makes the best sense for Canon and what would attract the widest possible range of customers. By my thinking it would be a clear winner for them. But next couple of week should tell us if Im right...or close enough.

I'm in the same boat.  Yes, technically I can fork out the bucks for a 5D3 but I really don't have that kind of money to justify such an expense.  I'm very much hoping this new FF will meet my specs.

...a lot of us here feels the same. Yes, I have enough money to buy 5D Mk III but I wont...simply because its more then I can justify/accept (3100 € here) for a body. I would rather buy some lens for the difference. So...Canon will get my money one or the other way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 28, 2012, 11:12:57 AM »

This is what I'm talking about. A 5D Mark IIN. They can't go wrong with this type of camera. Price it around 2000 €.

Yep, but I dont mind how they call it (9D,8D,6D,5D-E,...)  They just cant go wrong with it.

I think that Canon is sending/would send quiet clear message:

• Want good high ISO, FF, good AF, partially sealed body for 2000 USD ? - get entry FF
• Want speed (fps), reach, good AF and ws body ? - get 7D (7D Mk II in future)
• Want top AF, good high ISO and decent speed ? - get 5D Mk III
• Want good high ISO, good AF, high fps ? - get entry FF and 7D (7D Mk II in future)
• Want top AF, best ISO, best sealing, fastest body - all in one ? - get 1D-X

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 28, 2012, 11:00:47 AM »

It's really not a budget thing but I simply can't justify myself spending this kind of money on a camera. I'm just a entusiast, not even a semi-pro.

Same as me, Im not a pro but I want to progress and this kind of FF (rumored one) would be a good tool for it. A lot of users here are enthusiasts who cant justify that price tag.

And as I stated in my previous post:

...natural way of upgrade is 5D-5D Mk II-5D Mk III - but Canon will get your money on lenses and accessories   And some of us does not have 3300+ USD to splash on upgrade. Someone could thing like "Id rather buy 2000 USD body and one L lens"...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 28, 2012, 10:49:52 AM »

Yip NO "swively thingy" for me, it could be a deal breaker--I want mag alloy and weather sealing.  I think it is pretty clear that Canon will not add a flip screen to metal WS bodies.   Canon, these are still "still" cameras first, video is secondary.   And don't turn it into a FF 60D (no offense 60D users) with plastic, swivel screen, and no AFMA?  Unfortunately, I do think the new "entry" FF will be plastic, and with swivel screen, but not sure about no AFMA.

I think you are not the only one who thinks it could be a deal breaker - I mean no mag-alloy body with some partial sealing (like 50D). In OP there was info/rumor - design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash) - so from this info I assume 7D-like body, so without flip-swivel-rotating screen.

As for now Canon does not implement flip screen into thougher and (at least partially) sealed bodies (1D, 7D and 5D series).

I think that 70D gets swivel screen with touch, new sensor with phase AF, 6-8 fps (depends on how 7D Mk II specs would be like) and better AF (probably from 7D). 7D Mk II could have same sensor as 70D with 61-point AF, 10 fps, mag-alloy body with fixed screen.

From my point of view, Canon:

• needs true replacement for 5D Mk II as FF for enthusiasts
• price it similarly to 5D Mk II - so around 2000 USD
• should make it like "more then 5D Mk II" but "less then 5D Mk III" - less fps (around 4), smaller buffer, lower ISO range (to 51200/102 400 as max expanded) etc - basicly not to cut form 7D and 5D Mk III sales
• should make it with better AF then 5D Mk II but not 61-point - 7D-like AF or 31-point with 9 cross-type
• should make it from mag-alloy with some sort of sealing - 5D Mk II-like

This kind of body should give them enough difference from 7D and 5D Mk III. Some of current 5D Mk II users might upgrade, some of 7D users would like it as a second body, some of 5D Mk III could buy it as a backup, it would attract 60D/xxxD and xxxxD users. For me - winner for Canon.

Sure, natural way of upgrade is 5D-5D Mk II-5D Mk III - but Canon will get your money on lenses and accessories  And some of us does not have 3300+ USD to splash on upgrade. Someone could thing like "Id rather buy 2000 USD body and one L lens"...just my thoughts 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 28, 2012, 08:39:03 AM »

swivel screen is a must!

can't do video without it
and its a tool for low angle shots


want some better sealing go buy 5D3 or 7D

...same one can say with swivel screen. If you want one - buy 60D (or wait for successor) or 650D  You wont get sealing, magnesium alloy body...but will have swively thing.

Different people - different wishes/expectations  IF rumors are true and this body will come for Photokina I think that Canon has already decided about how it will look and what specs it will have.

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EOS Bodies / Re: advice required

« on: July 27, 2012, 04:57:59 AM »

Thank you for you comment. I am not really sure I am good enough to warrant a FF as I have a lot to learn about lighting and such. Maybe I would be better upgrading to the 7d with some nice EF lenses which will still give me better quality and I have the video mode that I would require. Then look at the situation again in 12 to 18 months.

All depends on your needs and how long you can wait  I would wait for entry level FF - I can bet it will have video mode. 7D, 5D Mk II and 5D Mk III - all have video modes.

Most recent rumored specs about entry FF:

Specifications

• Two different sensor specs received (thanks) for a ‘cheaper’ FF DSLR.
• One suggests an 18MP sensor and the other 22MP

Other features:

• Design closer to 7D than 5D3 (smaller and with flash)
• 7D style AF system (19 pt) and VF LCD
• 7D metering
• Single Digic 5+
• 3.9 fps
• 3 inch LCD
• 51200 max ISO
• Below $2000 USD

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EOS Bodies / Re: advice required

« on: July 27, 2012, 04:33:43 AM »

Hello to everyone.

I have been using a canon 50d for some years now. I do quite a bit of macro,portrait and close up work. I have been thing of upgrading to either the 7d 5d mark 2 or 3. I appreciate I will have to upgrade some of my ef-s lenses if I go to a full frame camera, but I am unceratin if full frame is going to be of any advantage to me and does come with a hefty price tag.

regards Karl

For your needs I would suggest FF. FF is better for portraits - you get thinner DoF and colors are better (as far as I know). It depends ofc on lenses you have/you would get. My suggestion is to take a look at Canons 100 f/2.8 Macros (both are good). You get a nice lens for macro/close up and portrait. And for low light portraits/work FF gives you advantage of high ISOs - 7D is grainy on everything over 1600. Ive seen great shot taken with 5D Mk II at 6400 ISO.

Well, you can wait and see "rumored entry FF" when it comes out and then decide.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 26, 2012, 05:21:48 PM »

Yes, these options are exactly what I'm looking at. 
I have waited for almost 4 years now (sep 2008). I skipped the 5D Mark II and kept my original 5D.

Well, Ive been looking at 7D and 5D Mk II. Each body has somethnig I want (AF - 7D and FF/high ISO - 5D Mk II). I can buy only one.

After 5D Mk III announcement I was excited to see all those new tweaks and improvements (AF, new AFMA, fps, ...). I even thought about getting 5Dc now and 5D Mk III after some time (when price drops and when I have saved enough). But as an enthusiast, not a pro, 5D Mk III would not earn for itself.

So, IF rumors are true, then this new FF could be ideal for me. I dont need high fps, but need reliable AF, good high ISO (at least something over 6400), better build and better metring then 450D (7D-like build would be nice).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 26, 2012, 05:07:02 PM »

-SWIVEL SCREEN (I don't understand some "stupid" words like "without a swivel screen is more solid......". OBVIOUSLY if you use your reflex like a toy is very easy to break it!... So who don't want a swivel screen can think at the same time that also with a flash built-in is less "solid".... A swivel green is FANTASTIC. You don't like it? Simple: don't use it!!

Well, according to original post design should be closer to 7D - so my personal assumption is no swivel screen. Reason why 7D has not swivel screen is weathersealing. I would rather have sealed body (to some degree) than swivel screen. Sure, for video and awkward angles swivel screen is useful 

-flash bult-in

Built-in flash with possibility of controlling speedlights would be welcome feature 

-CF card

Im OK with SDs. Ive got plenty of storage in them.

-continuos AF for video like the 650D

...and that would mean completly new sensor. I doubt that Canon would develop sensor especially for this camera - marked as entry FF. Unless Canon could somehow trick Mk IIIs sensor to do it.

After reading zour post/wishlist I think that maybe 60D successor will be aimed more towards you  But we will see soon, I guess 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 26, 2012, 02:58:40 PM »

Weird thing is I'm really excited and look everyday for rumors because I want to upgrade so badly but currently only have a few hundred saved away.  But once something is announced I can officially start saving money from weddings and lock my sights on a real object.    I'm aiming for this time Next year to be able to afford a new body.  Now I just also need a few grand worth of glass.

Same as me  Im checking rumors frequently to find out some info about this kind of body. With EOS M rumors and announcement all chatter about entry FF stopped. Im glad that only for a while.

Ive already saved for such body - I can wait and check all info, previews and everything. Ive started thinking about going to Cologne and visiting Canons booth at Photokina - could be a nice trip 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Another Spec List for the Entry Level Full Frame EOS

« on: July 26, 2012, 02:46:52 PM »

My budget is 2500 €. In Sweden 5D Mark 3 costs 3800 €.

Here in Slovakia 5D Mk II costs about 1919 € (some time ago one official Canon seller had it for 1787€). Mk IIIs are priced at 3099 € for body only. Ive heard that northern European countries have sick prices. I think 3099 € for Mk III is sick price (compared to US price), but I remember Mk II was priced similarly.

You have 3 options:

• buy 5D Mk II now
• wait for entry FF to see how it is in terms of specs and price. Then decide between - new FF and 5D Mk II
• save money for 5D Mk III (price will go down in time)

All depends on how long you can wait