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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 07:56:02 PM »
2. 4k downscaled to 1080P looks way, way, way better than what any Canon DSLR gives you out of cam and better for detail even than 5D3 + ML RAW.

But you still have to agree that the 5D3 Raw kills cams like the GH4 for overall image quality.

Yeah, IF you shoot it with the ML RAW. It is pretty fine for 1080P if you do that. The disk space and all gets to be tiresome after a while, but it is nice.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 02:17:02 AM »
But the FS7 doesn't include a free 1DX in the tin.

True, but the pure video guys don't care at all.

And the stills and video guys could get go with with say 5D3 for stills plus A7S+Shogun and that is still less money in total than the 1DC. Or a D750+A7S+Shogun and still less money than 1DC. Or 5D3+A7R+A7S+Shogun for still less money than a 1DC. etc. A lot of stills guys prefer having a smaller stills option body than a 1DX anyway. Some wouldn't mind more low ISO DR. Or reach, maybe some combine with a 7D2. And by the time the 5D4 drops who is to say an A7S2 with internal recording won't be out for $2.5k too.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 02:12:23 AM »
Why people are comparing a theoretical 5dIV (which has literally none of the same specs as this camera) is beyond me.

Because if you know how Canon works, this camera even though maybe it should have nothing to do with the 5D4, will. They simple refuse to give the regular DSLR line anything to touch the Cxx line at all. So if the Cxx line low end doesn't get 4k what does that bode for 4k or at even top quality Cxx-quality 1080P for the 5D4? Or even something as basic as focusing aids and zebras? Or 10bits? Or 4:2:2?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 02:10:12 AM »
Let's not forget the 1DC, a Canon DSLR with full-frame 4K video (and the first DSLR with either).

Which is crippled and poor compared to the FS7 and lists for thousands more....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canonitis strikes Cinema EOS
« on: Today at 02:06:31 AM »
This should surprise nobody. Canon are doing with their Cx00 line what they do with DSLRs: release small incremental updates with each newer version to maximum the extraction of money from their customers.

The only thing missing from the announcement was price.

Video is a much fiercer market, far fewer fanboys and people don't get locked in as much at the upper mid and higher end so that seems a particularly dangerous game to play for video.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 02:04:04 AM »
Very mixed views on this. With only a 30fps increase, there is very little reason for anyone with the mark 1 to upgrade. Canon appears to lack innovation yet again.  On the other hand, 4k is not readily available to consumers yet. Sure you can record whatever you'd like in 4k at weddings, but you have to downscale everything so you can put it on a dvd or bluray.. there is no universal disc yet that can hold up to 300gb, there are no discwriters available anytime soon if such a disc ever hits the stores that replaces bluray. The c100 is obviously aimed for sports / weddings / indy filmmakers or whatever so it is logical to have it only record 1920x1080 for the above reasons.

But canon does seem to scare the small film makers away.. thats a hefty price for only full HD, meanwhile you can get a a7s + external 4k recorder for only 4000 dollars.
Welcome to the forum. I also see no reason to record 4K today. TV sets in people's homes are not capable of displaying 4K. The Bluray disks do not have the ability to record 4K, without compression dishonest stealing potential quality of 4K.

Seems to me that there is a feeling like "I have a dick that is bigger than yours". :-X

True and thanks^^

The discussion between 2k and 4k is getting a little silly. It is almost like argueing how a 36 megapixel wins over a 22 megapixel camera while you only publish photos on the internet, or how there is noise on a APS-C camera when you zoom in 200%, that is like using a microscope to look at a printed a4 image on your wall!

We need a solid and widely accepted medium first with discwriters and everything before 4k becomes the new standard in even 400 dollar cameras. Consumer computers never get past the 1TB storage on average too and you also run into the problem that you need HUGE SD/CF cards to record 4k, which are very expensive and consumer unfriendly

It's a heck of a lot more efficient for storage than Magic Lantern 1080P RAW (the only current way to get really decent quality out of a Canon DSLR for video).
You can get a 4TB drive for $129 at any Best Buy. What is this consumers are locked into 1TB total storage?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 02:02:25 AM »
Very mixed views on this. With only a 30fps increase, there is very little reason for anyone with the mark 1 to upgrade. Canon appears to lack innovation yet again.  On the other hand, 4k is not readily available to consumers yet. Sure you can record whatever you'd like in 4k at weddings, but you have to downscale everything so you can put it on a dvd or bluray.. there is no universal disc yet that can hold up to 300gb, there are no discwriters available anytime soon if such a disc ever hits the stores that replaces bluray. The c100 is obviously aimed for sports / weddings / indy filmmakers or whatever so it is logical to have it only record 1920x1080 for the above reasons.

But canon does seem to scare the small film makers away.. thats a hefty price for only full HD, meanwhile you can get a a7s + external 4k recorder for only 4000 dollars.
Welcome to the forum. I also see no reason to record 4K today. TV sets in people's homes are not capable of displaying 4K. The Bluray disks do not have the ability to record 4K, without making dishonest compression that will steal the potential quality of 4K.

Seems to me that there is a feeling like "I have a dick that is bigger than yours". :-X

1. Plenty of consumer 4k sets are out there for sale and the prices aren't crazy like for OLED sets.
2. 4k downscaled to 1080P looks way, way, way better than what any Canon DSLR gives you out of cam and better for detail even than 5D3 + ML RAW.
3. you can use it to a get a 2x zoom or wildlife (which helps seeing how Canon keeps deciding to leave truly zoomed shooting out)
4. you can use it for super smooth panning and for some extra image stabilization
5. the roadmap for consumer displays has the TV makers planning to stop making 1080P for any but lowest of the low end sets by 2018 at the latest.
6. if you shoot 4k now you can view it in 4k when you get a 4k set, if you shoot 1080P now you can't view it in 4k when you eventually get a 4k set

I'm typing on a 4k set this moment.
And I was just looking at some 4k sample video and.... wow.

It;s nothing to heck to do with bragging rights.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 01:58:17 AM »
Why would they provide quality video and 4k in a $3k 5DIV or sub $2k 7DII when they can get $20k for it in a C500?

Gee I don't know. Maybe because the Sony F7 does it for $8k? The Sony A7S+Shogun does it for like $4.5k? (and that includes a fancy external monitor) The GH4 does it at least semi-passably for the 4k and pretty well for their 4k downscaled to 1080P for like $2000-something. Even the D750 is said to give a better 1080P than any Canon DSLR other than 5D3 shooting RAW with ML hack and perhaps the 1DX where it is said to be like a tie? By the time the 5D4 arrives it's not impossible that an A7S2 won't do it for $2.5k all by itself.



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Frankly, I don't care all that much, since I think the quality of the imagery in video is usually mostly irrelevant.  The only time I'll ever make an effort to get higher video quality than, say, my SDTV, is when I visit a real IMAX theater (you know - the 15 perf 70mm horizontal version) to see a documentary where the photography is just totally outrageous, the bulbs are 15 kilowatts, and the screen occupies around 90 degrees of my field of view.

Hmm I couldn't possibly disagree more.
Why do you even shoot more than a 1MP stills cam then?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: Today at 01:53:15 AM »
Hmm this seems like very, very bad news for the 5D4. If even this doesn't offer 4k what hope is there for 4k 10bit 4:2:2 from 5D4 or even 4k 8bit and 1080p 10bit 4:2:2?? Or, heck, even a crisp, top quality 1080P 8bit.

Looking more and more like money will be going to Sony (and perhaps even Nikon).

My thoughts exactly. The 5D4 will almost certainly not have 4K recording. Honestly I'm a little disappointed at the Canon road map that this new announcement reveals.

And with the way the CEO was defending their DSLR sensors and calling them the best in the world I have a bad feeling it might not improve low ISO DR either. In which case.... why buy one? Just for the upped MP count?? I can't see spending money on such a thing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces the Cinema EOS C100 Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 08:24:59 PM »
Hmm this seems like very, very bad news for the 5D4. If even this doesn't offer 4k what hope is there for 4k 10bit 4:2:2 from 5D4 or even 4k 8bit and 1080p 10bit 4:2:2?? Or, heck, even a crisp, top quality 1080P 8bit.

Looking more and more like money will be going to Sony (and perhaps even Nikon).

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Sports / Re: Post your best Football shot (American Style)
« on: October 20, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
A few online:




















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Sports / Re: Post your best Football shot (American Style)
« on: October 20, 2014, 06:53:28 PM »





very nice set!
i would crop this one a bit to get rid of some of the sideline junk

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United States / Re: Is this the norm or outrageous?
« on: October 19, 2014, 07:10:47 PM »
reasonable unless they are doing a total trash job and using poor materials (there are very different types of glass and backing and matting, some backing is not acid free and is really bad and some is museum quality acid free and so on and so forth and on).

framing is horrendosuly expensive, more horrible than you can imagine, truly top quality for 30" range can be practically your entire sum for just a single print, it's hideous

your prices mentioned are actually on the lower side, if anything

what types of glass and materials do they mention?

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Don't try to rely on fast fps for headers, the fps are not nearly fast enough, you'll just get ball way before or way after the header. It's not easy to time it yourself, but you should do noticeably better than spray and total pray fps reliance.

But don't be afraid to spray all sorts of bursts as you never know when a arm will fly up and block out a shot badly or whatnot so the more close to key frames of genera action melees you can get the better.

Try to not let the zoom lure you into the ease of shooting too loose, try to keep things framed as super tightly as you can manage. You may wish to keep the other eye open at times to help tracking and keep track of wider goings on on the field, although may be more necessary for American football.

I imagine you are well familiar with the game and that should help. If you have ever played soccer at a decently high level that should really help your shooting the game even much moreso, especially if you were the sort of player who had a great head for the game and always saw where the ball would go next and how things were building.

Oh and set the cams to max frame rate, AI servo. Shoot the 5D2 RAW only to maintain buffer (or maybe you can do jpg only if you don't care about the ultimate in image quality). Not sure what the 60D buffer is, that camera was a bit crippled AFAIK compared to even 50D in some ways, it might need to be shot jpgs only, not sure.

Don't be afraid to fire off hundreds of shots during the game, shooting is free (other than shutter wear, but whatever), so fire away without thought whenever you feel like it.

Deadlines for newspapers are sometimes rough though, you may want to cull as much as you can during half and even during lull points in action, it all depends.

Don't use IS/OS (not unless conditions are utterly dire, like super high ISO and still getting only 1/320th wide open, in which case you are in trouble regardless).

Try to never let the shutter below 1/640th if possible and even going below 1/800th is not so great. If you can do 1/2000th and up that is much better. Tend to favor fear of slow shutter more than fear of higher ISO noise.

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It is possible that they might limit you to certain areas to shoot from. Often they let you shoot from the endline from the outer penalty box to the corner and then up the sideline from the corner partway up, sometimes all the way, although usually not from right in the benches area if you are on that side. Sometimes it is free reign (although almost always immediately behind the penalty box or at least the goal is not allowed).

The inner outer endline often works very well. So does from about where you suggested. Sometimes I track up and down the sidelines. If one and only one spot could be used I guess I'd go for the inner part of the outer end line. But I like to also always do at least a bit from around where you mentioned and some tracking up and down when allowed.

I almost might use the longer lens on the FF. I bet the 5D2 has better AF than the 60D. I thought the 5D2 (center point with hidden assists) tracked better than my 50D did. Then just use the 60D for the few times 150mm is still too long on FF. And with 500mm lens reach you should be able to frame reasonably well and manage to get away without the 60D reach. You could swap and do some with each, get some advantage of the 5D2 IQ for all the shots than can be framed as desired and for the better AF and then some shooting with the 60D so you get some of the distant shots with best reach.

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