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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 10:03:51 PM »
It's amusing that a 2-3 stop difference means nothing and yet when Canon does better for SNR and it's like 1/3 stop better than it's all wow Canon rules!!!!!

A 2-3 stop difference in base ISO DR actually does mean less to me than a 1/3 stop difference in high ISO performance.  This is because I virtually never run into base ISO DR problems (even with the 18MP 1.6-crop sensor), but I'm always struggling against high ISO limits.

That is fine, but that is entirely different than saying flat out that 2-3 stops means less or is a more modest difference.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 10:02:13 PM »
Or, maybe canon did target the 7 series towards sports and wildlife shooters.  If the 7 series is targeted in such a manner, what would they have to take away from these proposed specs to give it 4k video?  Or, how ginormous would the price tag be if it did?  Would it need a third digic 6 in there to handle video output?  Would they have had to back off on the AF for it?  Or, if you look at the A7s, then would we see a 7d2 with a 12MP sensor?

Why would it take a third digic 6 to handle 4k video when the 1DC shows that TWO digic FIVE can already drive 4k video off of non-line skipped sensor reads?

Why would they have to back off of AF?


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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:59:41 PM »
You misunderstand, we are saying the opposite.  I was arguing with people who are against including Wifi in cameras for some reason.

Oh. Well in that case, I agree...that's strange. :P

Only reasons I can think of is they are total brand fanboys so if their brand doesn't do something, that something can't matter for anyone. Or they are paid to astroturf the forums. Or they are the sort who can't handle spending money on something that doesn't happen to be the best in every single regard. Or are overly fearful about costs and don't have a good sense of what costs what and tech.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:57:18 PM »
Are there really that many indie movie makers that are shooting in 4K nowadays or is this just all baloney?

4K is the future-proof format. That's why it's important even now, when 4K TVs are still not the norm.
+1

Ever shoot a picture and crop it? Same thing.... only with movies...

It also allows post processing image stabilization.

+1

plus DIGIC (or Canon marketing, not sure which) makes internal Canon video so soft that you'd almost need inernal 4k to get true high quality 1080p detail (witness how radically much more detail ML pulls out of a 5D3 compared to stock 5D3 video)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:54:14 PM »

I'm debating your definition of DR. You cannot simply shut that down at will. Your definition is flat out wrong.

Nope, you're completely wrong. DR is not synonymous with noise, or we'd also be talking about highlight DR (where Canon sensors perform very well, incidentally - funny how quiet the DR whiners are about that) in terms of losing detail to noise, and we do not. In fact, it would be an impossible argument to have.

QED.

It's a blatantly biased subversion and reinvention of the term by an irrelevantly small but very vocal subset of the user base, in order to support their tedious agenda.

Well from someone who actually knows QED the physics theory, I'm with jrista on this one.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:53:13 PM »
Go take a long, hard look at jrista's processing of the infamous 5D3 vs. D800 online test.

Ker-ching! The correct answer. And it's possible to do a much better job than he did of the Canon files.

But of course were you to push the D800 another 2-3 stops it would, of course, be impossible to apply the same sort of NR techniques.

And of course the NR not only removes the noise but adds back in 2-3 stops of detail, of course.

 ::)


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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:44:15 PM »
Side rant: you may be someone who just needs to get an Exmor camera for whatever you're doing with astro. I don't know. 99% of people who complain about this are complaining because they don't have bragging rights and that's all. Too much pixel peeping and not enough viewing/printing real photos.

Dude, the whole reason people started looking into banding and DR and figuring out what was going on was because they noticed things when out shooting, they didn't start out in the lab.

It's the little fanboys who can't handle it when anything they spend money on is not declared 100% the best in every single possible regard. The so-called DRoners actually can handle the truth when not every last aspect of the camera they bought doesn't end up being the best.

And the DR guys made such a huge deal because they know it takes time to fix that so you need to complain way ahead of your breaking point and you need to complain loudly if there is a prayer to get Canon to feel like bothering to spend money to fix things up.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:39:35 PM »
Shoot a transmission step wedge with a 70D, 5D3, or 1DX. (7D value actually looks about right.) When you see with your own two eyes that more then 11 stops worth of steps are gray, you will know that your theories are false. Then we can continue and discuss why.

Yeah maybe because IR uses NR!!!! of unknown and random amounts while the other measuring company does not.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:32:03 PM »
Total DR? The 70D is 1/3 stop behind Exmor.

Utter lie and fabrication, even your favorite site, flat out says that the 70D feels like it has an old sensor in regards to low ISO performance and that it acts like it's more than 2 stops behind Exmor.



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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 24, 2014, 09:29:16 PM »
Perhaps you can answer the question the DRones you're echoing have been unable to address – if Canon has been behind in low ISO DR for 4-5 years, and their market share hasn't eroded, then why does having less low ISO DR matter and why is it that Canon 'must respond'?...

Perhaps you should answer how you can take pictures with Canon stock or sale numbers?

And many a company weather the lazy storm for a while, before sales finally started taking a hit.



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Neuro's comments pretty well sums it up. I realize this is a gearhead forum and gearheads have a tendency to obsess over small differences...but really...these are tiny differences that affect only the most narrow niche market out of a niche market of a niche market.

More like it's a fanboys forum for fanboys (although with jrisita no longer acting like one at all, it's maybe starting to make a change).

It's amusing that a 2-3 stop difference means nothing and yet when Canon does better for SNR and it's like 1/3 stop better than it's all wow Canon rules!!!!!


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So, let's stop with all the "if Canon doesn't do ...they are doomed" talk. It just makes you look foolish.

Which would NOT be a good thing for Canon users.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List
« on: August 24, 2014, 01:32:42 AM »
Keith at Northlight seems to have got confirmation from a source that the specs are "pretty solid"....
Northlight is famous for poor guesses.... they have been saying it is about to come out for two years, and after the 70D was released, they had solid rumours for the 7D2 that were lower speced than the 70D... Northlight isn't even worth reading for a laugh....

northlight used to have the best info, some years back, then CR got all the acclaim and far more attention and ten the rumors seemed to fade away


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EOS Bodies / Re: Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:52:34 PM »
There is a third possibility...

To do 4K right requires 4 times the computing power as 2K video. That makes a lot of heat and drains batteries fast... and there is a real possibility that the problems with dissipating the heat make it impractical in a DSLR body unless you add in heatsinks, and that is a negative to all those using it for stills. Obviously, a 1D-C has the thermal mass, battery capacity, and radiative surface to handle this, but does a smaller body?

Does the Panasonic GH4 not do 4K right?  It certainly doesn't have a large thermal mass or space for big heat sinks inside.
Good point, but what does it use to process the video.... discrete hardware or software? I wonder how much heat the digic chips on a Canon make running that hard.....

Even a GoPro will shoot 4K at 15fps and not overheat, but they definitely use dedicated hardware.

They do and if they can, so can anyone else.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:50:20 PM »
We won't know anything until it gets... here's my point
From CanonWatch.com today.....

"Another email from a good source. The rumor contradicts parts of the latest supposed spec list that surfaced a few days ago.

That’s what I have been told:

the EOS 7D replacement will feature a 24MP sensor (no mention if it is a new sensor tech, or not)
a new generation of Dual Pixel CMOS AF is implemented thru the sensor and via the increased CPU power of the EOS 7D replacement
the auto-focus system of the EOS 5D Mark III will be on board
GPS and WiFi will be on board
still not sure if it will be named “EOS 7D Mark II”
Thanks to the source, please send in more information if you can!"
+1

The "confirmed" rumours say that it will have:
a 20.2Mp sensor and a 24Mp sensor that is somehow both new technology and the same as the 70D
It will have WiFi and it wont
It will have GPS and it wont
It will have an RT controller and it wont
It will be 10 or 12 FPS
It will have a built in flash and it wont
It will have a CF slot, a dual CF slot, and a mixed CD and SD slot (That's a lot of cards!)
It will have a fixed screen and an articulated screen
It will have a touchscreen and it will not
It will have 65 AF points, 45 AF points, and 19 AF points
It will have a 1DX top plate and it will not

and last but not least, it will be called the 7D2, the 7DX, or something else entirely....

Way to go nailing down those specifications!

yeah +1

I think sources have been shut down. You used to be able to get something useful.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Update on the EOS 7D Mark II Spec List
« on: August 23, 2014, 08:46:57 PM »
So basically we have no clue whatsoever.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Are These The EOS 7D Mark II Specifications?
« on: August 23, 2014, 02:43:25 AM »
Funny you mention Ansel Adams since I'd bet a lot of money that he'd be.... not on your side here.
Nonsense - his trademark look involved strong contrast, black blacks: he could easily have dug into the shadows more than he did, and very intentionally chose not to.

He spent of time in the lab trying to improve what he could get out of film and did all sorts of dodging and burning and loved trying to push the tech of the day forward as much as he could.

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