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It is a POS!  Who cares about a 5K display if it is only sRGB

What is the colour space of the Internet and almost every computer screen? sRGB.

A lot of photo people have wide gamut, although many don't. Most of the better IPS LCD screens are wide gamut.

It's weird that Apple OS is like the only OS that is totally color-managed and yet they are the only company that doesn't make wide gamut displays!

Overall the 5k vs 1080p will make the most overall difference for sure, but don't knock wide gamut. It can make a difference for stuff like fall foliage, golden evening lighting on almost anything, sunsets (sunrises if you are awake), bright color clothing and cars, flowers, brilliantly plumaged birds and those are some pretty top notch subject types to shoot. Plus stuff like emeralds and certain minerals and tropical waters.

Even a simple red rose will clip something horrible on sRGB. (even wide gamut isn't quite enough) In fact the whole stuff you read about digital sensors blowing reds or Canon sensors being notorious for blowing reds- that's all myth. It is sRGB that blows the reds. The Canon sensors capture reds way beyond was sRGB can handle (as do the sensors for other brands). Another myth is that AdobeRGB only gives you extra greens compared to sRGB. It actually gives you a lot more light and bright reds/oranges as well, although most current wide gamut monitors give you even more reds/oranges/purples than AdobeRGB can handle. But yeah sRGB clips reds horribly.


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I have never cared for the all-in-one imac design.  I prefer my peripherals to remain separate and easily switchable in case something breaks or there is an upgrade.

+100000000000000000000000000

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5120x2880 pixels: http://www.apple.com/imac-with-retina/

not bad.

But I'd go for the 5k Dell, it will have wide gamut (programmable sRGB emulation mode too of course), programmable high bit internal LUT, programmable screen uniformity compensation, if it follow the path of the UP2414Q it won't use PWM and will use fancier direct current control of the LEDs for brightness dimming.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Hello Windows 10
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:51:42 PM »
To be fair installing Classic Shell means that you can negate most of the worst things about Windows 8*. It's still not perfect, and why you have to install add-ons that basic to make things work... I think the people at Redmond just assumed that everybody loves looking at a screen through a sheen of greasy fingerprints...

yeah, it was truly absurd. Holding you arm out all day long to a 24" or even 32" screen, high quality photo screening and just smearing it up, or more likely a low quality garbage screen since I don't know that they make consumer level touch screens with good quality.

not to mention that a mouse is simply better for a lot of stuff anyway

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Software & Accessories / Re: Hello Windows 10
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:50:14 PM »
Yup. I've heard (word of mouth only) that win10 would be "the last windows ever", which basically means subscription service vs 1-off payment (as if it won't change ever ever for the next 100 years).

At home I'm on Linux, which I can only define as " interesting" ;-)

Sounds like it's more time than ever to bring back AmigaOS.

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EOS Bodies / Re: \
« on: October 17, 2014, 03:39:53 PM »
It will be interesting to see what sort of video comes out of the new Canon RX100 clone. If it is not soft and waxy then it means DIGIC can do video well so long as marketing doesn't have the quality crippled or decides to use amateurish settings. If it is soft and waxy then it won't tell us much.

I mean it's (going back to Canon DSLR video now) not that bad and it looks better than most consumer camcorders used to deliver, but now, unless you shoot a 5D3 with ML RAW the details are a bit mushy feeling and the 'grain' not so natural. Using ML RAW it's quite a nice 1080p though.

Of the Canon DSLRs the 1DX is the only one that puts a bet better detail into things without using a hack.

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EOS Bodies / Re: \
« on: October 17, 2014, 03:38:08 PM »
When you are paying thousands of dollars for a modern premium camera that has video as one of its selling points, it had damned well better be achieving an effective resolution in the 1000 line range, because there is no reason why it should not other than the manufacturer using obsolete technology in the thing.

Magic Lantern RAW shows that they get pretty good res and a natural look off the sensor for video. Something goes wrong later on. Clean HDMI out to Ninja not looking crisp shows that it is not the video codec that ruins it.

Either:
1. DIGIC is very poor at image processing and produces a soft waxy look (not that they did not use DIGIC for Cxx line but a much older Canon DV chip from their camcorder line instead, so perhaps this is the reason?)

2. DIGIC is OK but marketing has them program it with very amateurish settings, low details, tons of DNR even at ISO100 especially in areas of shadow or low contrast

3. DIGIC is OK and they program it well, but marketing has them apply some Gaussian blur filter right before sending the result to the compression codec or to clean HDMI out

(there may be a trace of softness due to the read out method from the sensor, but it's nothing compared to later losses of detail and blobbing of noise)

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Rumours had it that it was a DELL manufactured monitor inside.

Neither Apple nor Dell manufacture display panels. They both use panels made by LG. Get your facts straight.

I'm happy to stay with my monitor for quite a while, only had it for 2 years. It was a lot cheaper than any Apple branded gear, and in no aspect worse.

Funny, the Dell UltraSharp 27" Ultra HD 5K Monitor which has the same screen size, resolution, and almost certainly uses the same display panel as the new iMac, costs $2499.99, or $0.99 (99 cents) more than the iMac. The iMac "display" comes with an entire top-of-the-line, fully spec'ed computer behind it. The Dell doesn't. Get your facts straight.

The Dell will probably start out with large sales then PLUS as mentioned the APple will probably use PWM dimming and probably even low frequency then. It almost certainly won't have wide gamut. Or internal LUT. Or screen uniformity controls.

That said, 5k is exciting all the same and I'd say the difference is certainly more overall noticeable for 4k/5k vs 1080p than for sRGB vs. wide gamut. And it's great to see more and more of this good hi-res stuff out there.

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A few weeks ago, I bought a Dell UP2414Q 24" 4K display. I had a 27" for a few years but found it actually too large. I'm mid-40s and don't wear glasses (yet) but my eyes every week it seems are headed that way. I digress. I bought the Dell 24" to match my retina macbook pro. It's a perfect match. And 4K on the 24 is basically like 5K on 27. I'm graphic designer as occupation and photographer as hobby. Colour and contrast on the Dell 24 are great. And it's matte finish. No glossy reflections.

All your apps must be really hard to work with though? There are scroll bars and text in the Adobe suite which currently can't be scaled (AFAIK) and they are already too small even on a regular display. At that pixel density they'd be a nightmare!

And some apps scale a lot better.

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A few weeks ago, I bought a Dell UP2414Q 24" 4K display. I had a 27" for a few years but found it actually too large. I'm mid-40s and don't wear glasses (yet) but my eyes every week it seems are headed that way. I digress. I bought the Dell 24" to match my retina macbook pro. It's a perfect match. And 4K on the 24 is basically like 5K on 27. I'm graphic designer as occupation and photographer as hobby. Colour and contrast on the Dell 24 are great. And it's matte finish. No glossy reflections.

All your apps must be really hard to work with though? There are scroll bars and text in the Adobe suite which currently can't be scaled (AFAIK) and they are already too small even on a regular display. At that pixel density they'd be a nightmare!

With Photoshop on Windows (but apparently not on the MAC or not for Lightroom on either) that is true, but I happily deal with it to edit, in realtime, essentially 8MP prints. And it's so awesome to be able to instantly view every photo you have without cost with the detail of an 8MP 24" print.

And text looks so much better too. Like right now, as I type, it's like I'm typing in a magazine or book and it doesn't look all computery at all. It looks like real print.

And images just look natural. They don't look computery. They just look far more organic and natural, more like looking at a giant magnified slide table or something, they don't have that blurry, pixellated so sort of subtly digital computery look so much now. And the 27" 14MP displays must truly be insane, wow.

Imagine an amazing photo coffee table book printed at 240PPI and then one printed at like 80PPI. The looks decent if still a trace soft and the other just looks a mess.

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A few weeks ago, I bought a Dell UP2414Q 24" 4K display. I had a 27" for a few years but found it actually too large. I'm mid-40s and don't wear glasses (yet) but my eyes every week it seems are headed that way. I digress. I bought the Dell 24" to match my retina macbook pro. It's a perfect match. And 4K on the 24 is basically like 5K on 27. I'm graphic designer as occupation and photographer as hobby. Colour and contrast on the Dell 24 are great. And it's matte finish. No glossy reflections.

The new iMac looks great and I'm sure it will be, but...

Best thing? I got the Dell on eBay from a reputable seller with 100% rating, for $495.

With my absolutely top spec new macbook pro, I've spent about the same as I would if I bought the new iMac. It's the best of two worlds. Two monitor desktop plus a laptop. Highly recommended.

Holy cow $495 for the UP2414Q is insane!????!!!!! I've never seen it below $750 and even that was fantastic considering programmable uniformity correct, internal programmable high bit LUT, wide gamut, multiple emulation modes, expensive NON-PWM directly variable current driven LED backlighting. It sold for $1300 list a year ago, less than (although it had $200 off sales even nearly from the start every few weeks).


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And why would I want an sRGB monitor????

Another good point in favor of the Dell. The Dell will have both an internal sRGB emulation mode for when you need that as well as wide gamut.

It's weird that Apple that fully color manages its OS (unlike just about anyone else) is like the only maker to not make any wide gamut displays (AFAIK).

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Actually I bet the Dell 5k will be the one to buy. Unlike the Apple display it will have programmable uniformity compensation and a programmable internal high bit LUT (just like their UP2414Q UHD screen). The Dell 5k will also likely (and hopefully) use the same expensive and fancy variable direct current LED brightness control instead of PWM that the Dell UP2414Q does.

14MP 27" screens will be pretty amazing  ;D.

I think the price will come down a lot if you wait 12 months though. For now I'm glad I got the UP2414Q as it was $900-something and these are, for the Dell at least, starting at $2500. But seeing the way the UP2414Q fell from $1300 to $800 in less than a year I bet the 27" 5k will be down to $1500-1600 by next Christmas.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Announces CN20x50 Cine-Servo Ultra Zoom Lens
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:50:15 PM »
Sounds amazing...but I can only image what this puppy is going to cost.  More than my car, I suspect.

Yeah I bet it's like $100,000.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: Variable Diffusion Focusing Screen
« on: October 15, 2014, 06:58:05 PM »
very cool, assuming it is precise and quick enough to really work well which it might not be, but if it actually somehow is....

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