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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:38:02 AM »
Here's a possible differentiation that no one's brought up: video-centric features.

The 70D has the new dual-pixel autofocus during video, and its inherited the All-I recording option found in the current-gen XD full frame cameras. But early sample footage suggests image quality isn't much better than that found in earlier ASP-C Canon models. Lots of artifacts, sub-HD resolution, etc.

That means the 7D II could feature some kind of significant step-up in video features. Maybe it will have a cleaner image, like the 5D Mark III (though I doubt it, if the 7D Mark II shares the 70D's sensor). Or maybe it will be a little sharper, like the 1DX, or even like the 35mm crop mode in the 1D-C. Or maybe Canon will do something really surprising, like implement decent video encoding. The much-ballyhooed All-I recording feature is better than the original implementation, but something that uses 4:2:2 color space would be nice, or that legitimately had a broadcast-ready bit rate.

Much of the problem isn't even the codec they used. You can get 4:2:2 uncompressed over HDMI on the 5D3 now and.... it barely looks better than what the in cam shot footage delivers. But then look at ML RAW and it's holy cow! Sooo much more detail and much better DR and more natural looking noise/'grain' patterns. They are doing something funky in the single chain. Maybe Digic is a crap processor and they are retooling it to do a much better job of debayer, scaling, range compression, etc. Maybe they realize they need to ship all the 7,5,1 series from now on with RAW option too since that also also brings many more bits of depth which does help in ways too. Maybe they need to add 4K option too. And chips fast enough to read the whole sensor at once so non-2x2,3x3 block scaled sensors can be free of moire and aliasing?

Also, Canon is going to have to move the lower-level C-series cameras to 4K relatively soon. Maybe not in the next year, but if the 7D Mark II is a 2014 camera, I wouldn't be surprised if a C300 mark II and a C100 mark II appeared shortly thereafter. If Black Magic ever gets its manufacturing act together, and if Sony keeps pushing hard on price, Canon's hand might be forced even sooner. So I don't think superior video specs on a 7D Mark II will cause any trouble with C-series bodies.

If Canon is smart they will forget worrying about hurting low end C series and losing to BM and perhaps Sony or who knows who else. If the 5D3 had delivered something close to ML RAW quality and usability features from day 1 it may have flown off the shelves and excited the video forums more.

Dual-phase pixel AF is one thing to help a lot but the IQ for video needs to be way fixed up too from the 7D.
And now that people have seen ML RAW.... bar is high.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:29:48 AM »
If you own $10k+ of longer glass, I still think a built-for-war, high FPS, stellar focusing APS-C rig could sell for $2500 and be successful.

What fraction of Canon's intended 7DII market segment do you think owns $10K+ of longer glass?

A lot of the serious birding crowd I'm sure.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:26:35 AM »
Surely something significant will be included in the 7DII to differentiate it from the 70D. But what?

5D3+ level AF for sure. 10fps for sure, probably needs 12fps if the sensor's IQ is old news.

But the talk about same sensor and no mention of the new sensor really improve IQ at all and it still being used for late 2014.... yikes will Canon never ever catch up to Exmor and Aptina and everything else these days for low ISO?
Hopefully they are simply not bothering to bring it up for whatever reason. Otherwise that is even more worrisome for the 5D4/3D/1DSx or whatever.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:23:22 AM »
So after a year more development time it will be a 70D WITHOUT wifi.... and probably for at least $500 more.... I don't think so...

Canon said things like groundbreaking and revolutionary.... while less features for more money would certainly be different....

it would  ;D  :'(  ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR2]
« on: August 04, 2013, 05:21:53 AM »
DSLR development appears to be reaching a plateau, and sales seem to be reflecting this. The 70D is basically a consumerized version of the 7D, similar to how the 6D was a consumerized version of the 5D2. I don’t really think there is as much room for a 7D2, as the 70D is probably good enough to basically replace it. The image quality of the 6D/5D3, and the AF advantages of the 5D3 probably have also sliced off a significant share of potential buyers. There is likely a bean counter somewhere that has figured they would be better selling more 70Ds, 6Ds, and 5D3s than having to produce and market another camera in the current economic climate. By next year these cameras will all be mid-cycle when they can re-evaluate the marketplace and put out a 7D2 to goose sales if it makes sense.
Agree, but speaking as someone who made the mistake of getting a 60D instead of the 7D and now realizing its limitations (AFMA, better focus points, etc) - I will be boycotting these marginal upgrades and hoping others will too, in favor of true market "re-evaluation." I can see the lure of improved videography with the 70D, but there's a notable absence of high end photography features to make me drop more "camera cash."

Canon fooled me once with the 60D and am waiting for the next true sports camera, rather than settling for another marginal 60D upgrade. Lets see a novel APS-C camera with 20+MP, an AF point system on par with the 1D, good iso, and I'd be first in line to buy! That'd be an awesome 7DmkII.

Unfortunately the 70D isn't appealing to professional videographers, even as a B cam.  It still line skips and creates terrible moire, aliasing and nasty artifacts.  The cameras also use crippling codecs that are terrible to work with and destroy the IQ. 

It appears that Canon has not fixed any of the much needed issues for videographers and have not given the photographers a worthy upgrade.  At this point I would only buy a Canon camera that would work well with Magic Lantern; they seem like their providing more ground breaking features at a faster pace when compared to Canon.

Hmm could the delay be to retool the video, now that ML RAW is out they can't get away with poor processing being done to video. ?
Dual digic 6 could also read the entire sensor at once perhaps and avoid line skipping even though 20MP isn't a 2x2 or 3x3 block multiple.

Lenses / Re: Question about TDP's sample crops
« on: August 03, 2013, 02:56:00 AM »
A few months later, he got himself a 5DIII and came to the conclusion that practical reality trumps theoretical comparison, and that in the real world, the 7D is not sharper.  ;) )

In what scenario?? The 7D easily pulls in more detail than the 5D3 when reach limited. I have both extremely carefully carried out test shots and real world bird shots demonstrating that. Romy has such demonstrating the same vs the 5D2. (With a high-contrast, near black near white subject that is well lit even at ISO6400 the 7D pulls way more detail than 5D2 or 5D3, of course that is a bit of an ideal ISO6400 scenario as not all subjects will be mostly white with fine black lines and in the most brightly lit part of the frame.)

Lenses / Re: Question about TDP's sample crops
« on: August 03, 2013, 02:52:26 AM »
1. 60D has 18MP on a surface area 2.56x smaller than the 1Ds3 fits 21MP. So it stresses lenses more.

2. It is possible the 60D has split greens and thus comes out a touch softer 'per pixel' after de-bayer than the 1Ds3

3. It is possible that the AA filter on the 60D is tuned stronger

4. It could demonstrate how tricky lens tests are to carry out well. I suspect that TDP only focuses at the center and doesn't refocus for corners or edges so just a trace mis-alignment, like a paper thin one, and.... because it is a little curious that the far frame samples on APS-C look so soft in some cases from such sharp lenses even taking into account #1,2 and 3. (I have to say that even center frame my own ultra-careful tests have often disagreed with TDP, especially in the past (originally they actually relied on AF for their test samples and even well into the liveview era). More results, while certainly not always the same, tend to be closer to on average. Copy to copy variation also certainly plays some role here.)

EDIT: as AlanF says the cop camera is also farther away which might slightly hurt it.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: ...and now Smugmug.
« on: July 31, 2013, 08:34:55 PM »
In some cases it looks like it can get a bit too flickerish now, but it seems OK if you avoid going too far in that direction. It certainly sounds great that they let you have more levels and such, when I used to use smugmug that was such a drag, so limited on the levels and some tools for organization and doing this and that were such a drag.

Does anyone know if:
1. they allow wide gamut images yet?
2. you can now quickly clone galleries without having to one by one duplicate each photos and then grab each duplicate over?
3. or do stuff like in zenfolio where you can upload a gallery and then re-use any of the photos, maintaining their captions and everything in multiple collections instantly (so you could say upload a master gallery of say all decent photos from a hike and then make a collection that just contains the very best few shots and then maybe another where you give people PW access to full size originals or then re-use some in other collection that is maybe best shots from a certain state or whatnot?)

PowerShot / Re: What's Coming August 21, 2013? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2013, 04:08:50 PM »
Canon is so boring the last months ... or years?   :-X


At least we have ML team (and hardware from Canon that was good enough, even if much power was hidden away). They recently revolutionized video with ML RAW video hack.

PowerShot / Re: What's Coming August 21, 2013? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2013, 04:06:29 PM »
Canon is so boring the last months ... or years?   :-X


At least we have ML team. They recently revolutionized video with ML RAW video hack.

PowerShot / Re: What's Coming August 21, 2013? [CR2]
« on: July 31, 2013, 04:03:42 PM »
...the marketing disaster for (pre-)announcing some products (1dx, 24-70mk2 as far as I remember) and actually delivering them...

How about the announcement of the 5D Mark III firmware update? They delivered it on time (the last day of the promised month IIRC), but received a lot of flak for the long window from announcement to release.

(Off-topic: I updated to that firmware, and its warnings and reduction of support for 3rd-party batteries still tick me off every time I insert a non-Canon battery into the body.)

The ironic thing is that ML came out with their own firmware extension update that improved video 10x more than the new firmware from Canon, so much so that most video people reverted back to the old firmware just so they could use the ML extension instead. So after waiting on the edge of my seat for months for the Canon firmware I actually ended up dumping it just a couple weeks or so later! (that said the f/8 AF must be awesome for those with f/8 combos that work with it and hdmi clean out is still useful for some)

Canon General / Re: Canon Press Event on August 21, 2013
« on: July 30, 2013, 11:13:11 PM »
I see 'Cloud' and I think monthly charges.

All future lenses and bodies will only be sold on a month to month rental basis! We at Canon are PROUD to make the change to this model that has been so demanded and begged for by the vast majority* of our customers.

*"vast majority hearby legally meaning in this notice approximately 1 or 2 customers"

Why are the standard focal lengths for primes the following?...


50mm is the single easiest focal length to design for a 35mm camera and it's a very nice even, basic number so that probably explains that. For 35 and 85 they probably just picked a nice div 5 number close to focal lengths that seemed to be both quite useful for certain purposes and far enough away from 50mm. Why 24mm became much more the standard than 25mm I have no idea though.

Lenses / Re: What's the Difference: 1.4X EF Extender 2 Vs. 3
« on: July 30, 2013, 02:06:42 AM »
Can anyone tell me what changed on the version 3 (versis version 2) for the Canon Extenders?

Is there some advantage to shooting the 3 Vs the 2?

for the 1.4:
a lot less lateral CA
sharper edges
but only BARELY better in the center (takes 200% view and flipping and high contrast subject to spot it)
apparently more precise AF when used with IS II supre-teles

(for the 2.0 I don't know since I never used the old Mark II)

DXOMark list of the best glass for the 6D shows both Tamron zooms as the best for the camera...

Personally I'll wait for Sigma to renew their 24-70 (f2 weee!) and dont know if it will happen, but, I hope they relaunch the 70-200 with the new Art/Sport construction soon.

While DxO mark may be good for sensors, the plots at least. I find them to be dubious when it comes to lenses. I mean they were the ones who said the 16-35mm excelled at the edges when used closest to wide open! That the f/2.8 IS was sharper at 200mm f/2.8 than the 2.8 non-IS than the 2.8 IS II! I believe they also claimed the 70-300 non-L was sharper than 70-300L and 300 f/4L!

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