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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:46:11 PM »
The 5DII sold well because it was a ground breaking camera with respect to video (full frame!) as well as its photographic performance for the price. The 6D does not have the luxury of being ground breaking in any area.
I think it's a little early to say that. For the longest time I've thought, man they really should put wifi in a rebel body and make it work with Facebook and all the other social networks. I can't tell you how a big a pain it is trying to upload a photo from an slr vs my iphone where it's like two clicks. In this respect I think if they can do it properly that'll be the break away feature. That and the fact it can be remote controlled through an app. I'm sure some creative people will find ways use this with their iPads or such remotely. Could be very interesting. But again... it all depends on how good a job they did on it or if they just threw it together. I was expecting this feature in crop body rebel. But thinking about it now, I can see where they coming from. If they had it in crop body, then all those nice primes they have for their full frame wouldn't frame the same and so it would take away that value added feature. I could be wrong but I'm not aware of any other SLRs that offer this feature. If you true I think this could be a big deal. People can complain about this camera, but honestly it's not that bad. It's not a 5d Mark iii but after the price drops a couple hundred after the initial GOTTA HAVE IT group then I can see this doing well honestly. It looks like it should be at least better than the 5 mark ii sensor albeit less MP but that's fine by me. The higher ISO ranking means even though I have a Mark II, this might allow me to get a 2nd full frame that has even higher ISO capability than mine. The focusing system is at least slightly better. I think the main thing here is we heard rumors of a 7d 19 point system and got so excited about that, just like the D600 people thought it was going to be $1500. When you look at it from that perspective, it kind of sucks but if you just compare it to a 5d Mark ii then it's not that bad a camera. The one feature that makes this DOA for me is if they were idiots and removed AFMA. Hopefully they learned their lesson with the 60D but we'll see.

the gps is a nice features and not a gimmick, imo, despite some calling it a toy, it can be pretty useful

the wifi, depending upon details, might be nice at times, say you are at some competition and want to send a few images processed straight from cam to the even website, you get there first, direct while still shooting

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:44:04 PM »
Below is from 6D preview summary page from dpreview  :-\ :

Overall, though, it's difficult to shake the feeling that the EOS 6D simply lacks the 'wow' factor of its main rival. Whereas Nikon seems to have taken the approach of taking away as little as possible from D800 when creating the D600, Canon appears almost to have gone the other way, removing as much as it thinks it can get away with at the price. The result is the kind of conservative, slightly unimaginative design that's become the company's hallmark. It's still bound to be a very good camera, of course; just perhaps not quite as good as it could be.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-6d/6

Canon just needs to get rid of their entire marketing and exec design team, people who probably don't even know how to use a camera, and get in a small new batch and give more power to the engineers and the people who actually do useful stuff there. It's sad when a bunch of MBAs come in a mess up great tech companies.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:37:47 PM »
Do you think it's something new that electronics companies (or any company for that matter) has different products at different price points in their line up?   They're all cameras so there has to be some differentiation in features, quality, etc. to justify the price.
Thank you for stating what should seem obvious, but apparently isn't understood by many.  Photographers are always complaining that a lesser model is a "crippled" version of a more expensive model, and a more expensive model is an "overpriced" version of a lesser model.  Why don't people understand the basic principle of "You get what you pay for"?

Because it is the same price as the D600 and offers less.  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:36:48 PM »
the sad thing is, just like with the 5DmkIII, canon crippled this camera to protect the higher end brother. It could be better. But unlike Nikon, which made the D800 a totally different camera than the D600 so as to not have them cannibalize each other, canon's stuck low MP formula doesn't allow them to really innovate or risk making the 5DmkIII a bust. Proof yet again that the decision to stay in the low 22MP with the 5DmkIII was a huge mistake. If it had been 30-40+MP, canon would have far less to protect and the 6D would be in a much better position to challenge the D600. Maybe even surpass it.

Everything about this camera seems to be designed to protect the 5DmkIII sales. I have to hand it to Nikon. They played their cards just right by baiting canon to chase after the D700 with the MKIII and then surprising them with the D800 departure from the expected. And then sensing canon's mistake, undercut the 5DIII knowing canon can't react too aggressively or risk nuking its own 5DIII.

Even if the rumored affordable high MP body from canon makes it next year, assuming it is not a 10K 1Dsmk4, Nikon clearly had the best game plan for this generation of bodies. The question is, will this mean an end for the D700 line or will Nikon save the 5DIII killer for when canon puts up their answer to the D800. That would make the most sense as being over a year late, the high res 5D or whatever will likely have no trouble matching the D800 and likewise nikon would have no trouble going for the 5DIII.

we live in interesting times.

+1 Well said. And yes, the giant was caught napping... will he wake up though?

The more one thinks about it it becomes easier to separate the Guys that design  the "glass" vs the Guys that design the "bodies".... two completely different products though made to work with each other.

One division getting it right, they other napping on the laurels of the 5D2. granted there is enough intertia for Canon to  mantaining market share, however it does not take very long for people to begin to get pee'd off.

As a Canon customer, I would love for them to give us bodies that are well packaged and right priced because at the end of the day we may spend 2x-5x more money on the lenses as we will on the Body... so why piss us off by the body offerings....

The 7D was the last compelling Body they made in the non 1D series bodies. Since then we got 4-5 disappointments... repackaged bodies with 4-5 year old tech.

Whats next, slapping on some colorful LED's to make them pretty?  ::)

Can't say I am surprised though. The lens division has continued talking about driving things forward while the body and sensor division, man, I still can't over the way that one exec responded to reporter's questions back over half a decade ago at a European camera show. So utterly full of themselves, basically laughing at Nikon and thinking they were a decade ahead in FF, basically saying they were so far ahead they had no need to do anything but milk and dribble stuff out and when someone would ask when do you plan to do so and so, say a fast FF, they were like hahaha why bother we are king! And then the report that they apparently laughed off internal (from a non DSLR division) method to possibly increase low ISO DR, they apparently sounded confused about why the other division even sent the design to them to patent and blew it off (maybe there is more to it and maybe it would not work for their DSLR, but others thought it might, who knows). And you could just see it in the way they have dribbled something as minor as AutoISO out over more than a decade and still not given a working version to less than 1 series and other petty little things while you go the sense other makers tried to enable as much as hardware could support a lot more often. Heck they even back tracked and instead of giving better cropped mode video, took it out of all the latest models, etc.

putting 1dx af, more or less, in the 5D3 was a good sign (one of the few times they did more than expected, that said, had they not, the 5D3 would've been absolutely dead in the water) and the 7D was a fairly good sign (although the af in it was still far cry from 1 series) but the video crippling and poor low iso dr and price of 5D3 seemed curious given competion

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:21:08 PM »
Honestly, I am stunned that it only has one cross-type AF point (granted the points that turn non-cross on the 5D3 work a lot better than the old non-cross type) and no assist points which will certainly make tracking certain things trickier than even on the 5D2.

It also seems a waste of time to keep making so many different AF systems and sensors. Why not re-use the 5D3 sensor and then plop in the 7D AF (although one shot center point this new one may well do better). With all the time spent doing that maybe they could focus on better low ISO DR and giving 5D3 a complete set of basic video usage features, etc.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:12:11 AM »
AFMA?
Hmmm, no mention of AFMA in the specs...yet another (canon)ball dropped  ???

I highly doubt they will add AFMA because it seems they are clearing marketing it towards the consumer crowd. 

To them the touchy screen is more important that this A. F. M. A. thingy.  Who needs AFMA when you could have a touchy screen?

I can't see them taking out AFMA, the D600 has that, and leaving it out would really cripple the AF (unless you are really lucky and/or want to waste time sending stuff to Canon all the time for calibration).

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 12:09:10 AM »
Okay, Somebody sell this to me. Why do I need AMFA?

So you get your pics in focus without having to send all of your equipment back (maybe more than once) for calibration (and again, paying for it, if it drifts over time). And you can adjust on spot as needed. Also it takes a while to send stuff to them and back (and stuff can get banged around during shipping), if they are busy and you get something new before a big trip or event, you me be SOL.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 11:01:39 PM »
I think we should withhold judgement until we see IQ and noise control from this 20.2 megapixel sensor. Because in the end, isn't that what really matters?

yeah but it will be tough to beat the D600 if the D600 is exmor and if it does come close then what the heck were they thinking saving their best tech for the 6D and putting old tech in the king pin 5D3 and 1DX???

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:58:51 PM »
I totally agree!! unless they came up with a revolutionary sensor  8)

+1   That is the only thing that can save this spec, imho.

yeah but then it's like why the heck did you save the good sensor for the 6D and put in the old tech for the 5D3 (And 1DX)??? wth


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:57:47 PM »
Hopefully the one saving specification the Canon could have at this point might ironically be the 11 point AF system... wait, I know what your thinking, hear me out...

From what we've seen of both Nikon's and Sony's offerings, they're using AF modules borrowed from their APS-C cameras, meaning they occupy a tiny little fraction of the frame, all clustered into the centre. Aside from subject tracking, which these cameras are not made for, and which the Sony will (based on specs alone) probably only marginally excel at, having all the AF points in the centre is a nightmare for all sorts of photographers who would like this as a secondary body, and for those people as basic as an 11 point AF seems, its better than a "19+109 point" that covers a fraction of the frame.

Here's hoping that Canon manage to bring out the only entry level FF with FF AF.

AF systems are basically the same size for APS_C or APS-H or FF so not sure what you mean buy that....

mmm.... are you sure? I was very much under the impression that AF area was linked to prism size which is linked to sensor size.

Look at the AF area coverage of the D600 here : http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=42484333

And the Sony A99 here: http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-slt-a99/images/screens/AF-Range.jpg?v=1581

Both, but particularly the Sony are tiny compared to the frame coverage of any of the 5D's.

look inside a 5D2 and then look inside a 50D and you'll see the AF sensor is basically the same size, the AF sub mirror is way smaller than the main mirror on the 5D2 and only moderately smaller than the main mirror on the 50D. They are limited by the angle they can collect light from the 35mm mount lens and still work well. Also notice how the APS-C AF points tend to appear much, much closer to the edges than they do on the 5D2, because it's basically the same size AF system so it covers more of the APS-C sensor than the FF sensor area.

Maybe it is 11 cross type and 1 super precision type and 6 central assists or even 3 pairs of 6 assists???

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EOS Bodies / Re: Describe the 6D in one word...
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:31:32 PM »
Although I abstained so as to not taint the vote, I have to say "I'm excited! No, really!".
Because I didn't get around to listing my 5D2 for sale yet!  ;D


EDIT: although now i'm worried it might be 11 cross, 1 super precision and hidden assits, in which case i may have just taken a soaking on my used 5D2, damn new i needed to get it sold last week.... but so busy shooting stuff

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:25:58 PM »
Delay, quality issue, quick price drop (indication of overprice?), boring new product, .... Something is not right. I give two thumbs up to their lens department, but the 1DX and 5D3 might be the last two cameras that (arguably) beat their competitors if they let arrogance and lack of innovation take over.

Ah whatever, they will do what they will do. I was afraid of this already like half a decade ago.

As someone said at least they have released some utterly kick ass lenses the last few years.
If only their sensor and body division would act with the same drive and pride!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:18:43 PM »
Does this thing even have any AF assist points? The 5D2 is 9+6 pts for 15 total I think. 9 regular and 6 hidden assists. So is this one 11 regular but 0 assists? For sports/action/bird tracking that would actually make it a worse camera than the 5D2. Maybe it is 11+6? (the part of me that's wants canon to do well hopes so, the part of me that wants to sell my 5D2 hopes not as well as the part of me that wants them for once and all to finally get woken up before they give it all away.... they were once the total leader in sensors and then video and now....)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:14:26 PM »
Hopefully the one saving specification the Canon could have at this point might ironically be the 11 point AF system... wait, I know what your thinking, hear me out...

From what we've seen of both Nikon's and Sony's offerings, they're using AF modules borrowed from their APS-C cameras, meaning they occupy a tiny little fraction of the frame, all clustered into the centre. Aside from subject tracking, which these cameras are not made for, and which the Sony will (based on specs alone) probably only marginally excel at, having all the AF points in the centre is a nightmare for all sorts of photographers who would like this as a secondary body, and for those people as basic as an 11 point AF seems, its better than a "19+109 point" that covers a fraction of the frame.

Here's hoping that Canon manage to bring out the only entry level FF with FF AF.

AF systems are basically the same size for APS_C or APS-H or FF so not sure what you mean buy that....

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 16, 2012, 10:12:57 PM »
One word for the 6D?

Meh.
+1, that is the best way to describe this incremental model.

another is.... thank god!
(since I was slow to get my 5D2 listed for sale, maybe now it won't 100% crash in price, although damn, I bet this will knock a couple hundred bucks off it though :( )


but man the D600 just makes this look utterly silly! How can the 6D be the same price?

So, I think it's a stupid spec once again showing Canon being totally behind the 8 ball, arrogant and left behind. But man am I ever relieved and happy personally  ;D I may not have utterly blown it by being so slow to list my 5D2 for sale....

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