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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 11:13:39 PM »
This thread tracks the usual dissatisfactions:
1) Why would anyone be interested in a camera that I'm not interested in?
2) If a camera doesn't meet my personal needs, then it is a "crippled" camera.
3) Whatever features a camera has, it should have had some feature(s) of the next more expensive model, but without the added cost.
4) If a camera has features I don't need, but can easily be turned off or ignored, I must still complain as if they can't possibly be useful to anyone.
5) If they don't offer the specific camera that I want at this moment, within my present budget, then the company is headed in the wrong direction.
7) If DxO thinks my brand's sensor is inferior, then it must be inferior and I must complain about it and/or switch brands.

+1 and most of those who complain about it haven't even used it or have gone as far as owning the product. What I'm also seeing is self proclaimed "pros" that have no work to show or crappy portfolios complaining about it. Now, why should we care about those opinions?

EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 12:48:02 PM »
I wish I could shut off Nikon's ergonomics, button layout, green cast on the screen, etc etc. Nikon might just be #1 in the world for people with 4 fingers, shoot without the screen, and don't care about losing a shot in a high pressure situation because switching modes and going through menus on a Nikon is horrendous compared to a Canon. No offense to them, of course. By all means, do what you need to do. When you're a pro you do what it takes to get the job done whether your specialty and style of work needs a superior sensor, better af, or a better button layout that helps you get your job done faster. That's all that really matters. A client hires you because you're supposed to know better and deliver to best their standards, not yours. If you really love Nikon that much, it's just plain common sense to get the hell out of this Canon forum.

I disagree with the memory card issue "preventing" an upgrade. SD cards are very cheap. As for durability, if you're the average careful person an SD card will survive longer than your camera shutter. Big step backwards in AF? For who? I came from a 7D, why don't I feel crippled with my wife's 6D or my 9 point AF bodies shooting moving subjects? Oh. because the difference in AF is actually marginal with the need for better ISO performance outweighing the need for that said marginal AF performance. You can jack up the shutter speed on the 6D a bit higher than the 7D and get similar results if you've warmed up enough to how the points work in your camera. And you'll still get a better looking set of images in the end, especially indoors or when the sun falls at a game. But no, not everyone shoots sports, sorry.

You can´t upgrade from the 7D to the 6D because you waste a lot of money for new SD cards.

It´s a shame that Canon don´t put a cf/sd card slot in the 6D that the people can change.

The 6D has better image quality, but the AF system and speed is s big step backwards if you come from the 7D.

I recommend to wait for the 7D Mark II (70D) or what the name will be. I hope that the camera will have a CF card slot because I want the camera as a TC replacement.

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D vs 5Dii - The End of an Era?
« on: December 10, 2012, 08:39:38 AM »
I can test for video sharpness. I need to point out, the 6D has the same compression settings as the 5DIII (All-I, IPB). Image quality does not appear to be identical, the moire on the 5Diii looks significantly cleaner to me, but I will do some different sharpness tests of the 5Diii vs 6D this week for those interested.


Would you say that the 6D has better moire handling, or "more pleasant looking" moire compared to the old 5D mark II?

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D hands-on reviews by many websites..
« on: December 09, 2012, 11:26:10 PM »
Our teachers say, that the 7D Mark 2 starts selling in the end of spring 2013 (in Germany and Austria). But it will be expensive.

That's very interesting.
I’m hearing similar things on other forums as well.
So, it seems that a 7DII announcement is indeed imminent.

I can’t imagine that the 7DII will be priced higher than the 6D.
Canon has done other nonsensical things, though (just look at the 6D AF system  :-*).
So,  who knows.

It might.

7D and 1D pro level
60D and 5 D are mid level prosumer grade
Rebel and 6 D consumer level

7D is going to have pro level features above and beyond the 6 D, with the only draw back being a crop sensor. Then again the current 7D wasn't priced above $2k.

I wouldn't go as far as stepping the 6D down to a rebel level. It's at least better sealed than a 60D, considering the fact it doesn't have a swivel screen and feels as sturdy as the 5D mark II. Look at the 6D AF system? How about actually using it? My wife's 6D is responsive as hell and as far as I've "seen" it's been much more accurate than any "rebel". Rebels don't have micro-adjust. Rebels don't even have custom white balance through kelvin. Not saying rebels can't do the job, but the 6D is far from being that far down the ladder especially at that price bracket. I think it's more on the lines of being a complimentary body to a 60D or 7D. Now you have a better variety of bodies to choose from. It will be easier for someone looking to upgrade from a rebel to gauge whether they need more reach and faster performance, or just need more image quality, especially at higher ISOs. Canon markets to an audience that actually exists, not forum posters who look at specs. Is an advanced AF system the new megapixel race? More points wins? How many points does a landscape, macro, or studio photographer need? Canon has made it clear that if you want pro AF or full frame you need to pay for it, and to have it all you're going to have pay some more. The last time I heard about Canon doing a nonsensical thing, like "rebelizing" a product, it sold quite well. In fact, according to real world sales figures from stores like Calumet, B&H, and DigitalREV the 60D is one of Canon's best selling cameras of all time. I vote prosumer for 6D.

Thanks for the results.  I'm considering upgrading from a 7D.  How does the 7D compare in these tests?  Does anybody know?  I'm sure there have been similar tests done between 7D and 5D2/3?

yes, the 7D fared among  the worst of all the cameras he tested.  FYI pardon my asssumption of background here, but for those unfamiliar, high standard devition is bad.  7D was 41, 5D3 was 17.

and Marsu42 yes good reality check.

Could it be they had a bad copy of the 7D for testing? I've always remembered my old 7D focusing a bit better than my 60D.

I'm always surprised when people put forth results and a conclusion, and then are surprised when others critically evaluate the methods used to generate those results, and weigh the quality of the methods when evaluating the reliability of the results and the strength of the conclusions. 

Something else to think about.

Makes me think about DXOMark tests

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 05, 2012, 09:45:37 PM »
Unless I want to be a spyier, WHY do I want to operate the camera through a cell phone ??? ??? ???

Gotta agree that there are lots of uses for it (funny too because this was a feature I was kind ehhh whatever on when the specs were announced). 

I enjoy night photography!  So, the ability to control long exposures from my phone would rock! 

Also, I was thinking of ways to use it at weddings too, for ceremonies and receptions!  (I do rather like the idea of that!  Especially for the ones where I don't have a second shooter!).  Really there are quite a few possibilities for this feature!

I might be different from you guys.

I rather see 6D offers better AF system, Continuous Autofocus tracking Video likes T4i, faster frame rate, better ergonomics etc....things that can help to improve your IQ.

I wouldn't cry over spilt milk, the camera is out already. And I'm sure the 6D's IQ stays very much slightly the same without your requested features.

What I do seem to notice is that the people who own the camera seem to be enjoying it very much and the ones who don't are criticizing it the most. I already have a 5D Mark III, but I'm really curious about the WiFi feature of the 6D because 1) I hate having to use the adapter to connect my camera to my iPad 3 to review images with clients 2) wireless remote shooting with a screen attached, especially with the size of a tablet screen, is a huge advantage for studio and landscape applications, it will help you focus less on technical issues and more on creativity 3) For an event photographer who needs to get an image over to the projector guy's laptop without having to take your card out sometimes. Heck, you can even take photos of important people at some events and you can send the photo right away without having to go through the hassles of cables and adapters. Throw a watermark on it with your ios or droid app and voila, instant business card with THEIR faces on it.

From a photography perspective you might think of some limitations for the use but you can get really creative on the business end of photography with the WiFi feature. I'm definitely picking this up as a 2nd body. Odds are, I'll be able to shoot jpeg into my 5D Mark III's SD card, throw it into the 6D, and import photos via wifi taken by my main body as well. I think Canon marketing planned this out quite well. (as much as I hate not having wifi built in to the 5D mark III despite understanding the materials used on the top part to weather seal it further will inhibit the signal)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D vs 5D MKII (Focusing?)
« on: December 05, 2012, 01:48:34 AM »
Anything is better than 5D mark I and II outer points.... seriously. If the 6D can focus outer points accurately in decent lighting for portraits (like wide open portraits 2.8 and faster) then I'd be more than happy to pick one up as well.

EOS Bodies / Re: First complete 6D review by a photographer spotted
« on: December 03, 2012, 11:22:18 PM »
I don't consider Kai a photographer.... He runs a different kind of business, hehe. I like to see reviews from people who take photos for a living and aren't in the business of selling products.

Lenses / Re: What's your dream lens
« on: December 03, 2012, 11:20:17 PM »
I own my dream lens, and until they make a mark III it's always going to be the Canon 85mm 1.2L mark II

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D pricing... so much difference worldwide
« on: December 03, 2012, 09:19:43 AM »
75,000 pesos here in the Philippines which equates to about 1829$ (without tax too) Although this is from a reputable online dealer whom I often buy from, not a physical shop.

Canon General / Re: Is canon going to come back?
« on: November 30, 2012, 08:27:09 PM »
For you!
well, "for you" it's only a better camera at low iso and controlled lighting conditions like studio and landscape. If I were you I'd just buy the bloody camera already and stop whining. Or perhaps you should apply for R&D at Nikon because it seems like you're more worried about tech than actual photography.

EOS Bodies / Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:08:30 AM »
If 10fps is true, I'm also hoping the current 19 point af of the existing 7D can produce enough keepers, if not upgrading the af system a bit as well. I definitely have more keepers on my 1d mark iii for action shooting than I ever did when I shot a 7D which is why I sold it. Although I'm sure IQ is going to be the concern most people will prioritize.

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