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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shooting With the EOS 6D Part 2: Costa Rica
« on: December 31, 2012, 12:19:26 AM »
My premise was that the 6D is capable of very good IQ - as the 5D2 already was 4 years ago. There's really no surprise about that, being a well-established technology.

What concerns me is how users' opinions vary awfully depending on the brand. In the numerous 5D3 vs D600/D800 debates, Nikon cameras where found faulty exactly in those segments in which the 6D is even faultier (e.g. AF, weather sealing, build quality, etc). All those valid arguments - apparently - no not apply to products with Canon branding. On top on that, the 6D cannot compensate with cutting edge sensor performance and it's a full 300€ more expensive than the D600.

All my favourite lenses are 3rd party (except the 135/2), so I very much don't care about the brand of my body. I'm still undecisive whether to buy a 5D3 or a D600, but if it was D600 or 6D, I would really have very few doubts. Considering the 6D is mainly aimed at crop-upgraders, I'm really dubious about what the concrete reasons for not switching system are.

If you have bought your favorite third party lenses already, then I guess you'll care very much for the brand of your body.  If not, then that's the only time you're open to switching systems.  Even third party lenses have their own separate mounts for different systems.  6D is only more expensive in Europe but not in Asia.  In Asia, some deals for the 6D are entirely better than D600.  Even if you found some offering a better deal for D600, you just need to wait a little bit and you can be sure you'll be finding similar deals for 6D.  Build quality and weather sealing of 6D is comparable with 5D3.  You'll only find the top part of 6D lacking in durability compared to 5D3 due to its being made of polycarbonate and not of magnesium alloy.  If you want better sealing, then you have to go for 1D bodies.  AF wise, 6D isn't for sports.  D600 is better for sports though not much.  I'll still vote for 5D3 if you want an all-rounder camera body.  D800 is a very good camera but versatility-wise, 5D3 is still the best out there.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d2 officially discontinued.
« on: December 30, 2012, 07:23:37 PM »
Does this mean that Canon will no longer service a discontinued item?  Just bought mine as a backup a month ago and has a 1-year warranty.  I'm sure they will honor the warranty, but what about after the year is up?

They'll service it for many years to come.  It's just like lenses.  You'll just have to pay, but they'll service it.

+1.  They even offer service for my friend's old 20D.  As long as you have money, there'll be no problem.

HDR - High Dynamic Range / Re: Post your HDR images:
« on: December 30, 2012, 07:21:03 PM »

Pennington Flash Sunset by KEASLA, on Flickr

Pennington Flash Lake by KEASLA, on Flickr

Pennington Flash Benches by KEASLA, on Flickr
Sweet!!  Great job!

Good JOB!!!  This is what an HDR should be for me, as natural as possible and without the feeling artificial.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shooting With the EOS 6D Part 2: Costa Rica
« on: December 30, 2012, 09:59:22 AM »
Hi, thanks for your review and comments.
I think that internet camera specs cause many to look at camera and figures and judge purely on those numbers. In my opinion, it's how a camera performs is more important. A good camera is more than the sum of it's parts. For years I have used a 5DII to good effect, using the single point and recompose method and eg-s view screen. Who needs 61 points when a really good central point and a bit of honed skill work great.

When I looked over the 6D's specs I thought to myself that many photographers will dismiss this fab camera purely on paper specs, which is a pity because I think that often a "back to basics" approach can re-awaken one's photography. A good photo always takes a bit of effort, having a machine which causes one to work at a photo I think is a good thing and helps one to pick their shots and not the all too often seen "pray and spray" approach of the modern generation.
This camera appeals for it's small size, price point and unencumbered features list. I hear what the reviewer says about lens balance with f2.8 zooms. Might I suggest the new 24-70 f4 L IS and 70-200 f4 L IS would be a better suit? Or even the fantastic (and sorely misunderstood) 70-300 L IS.

Quite funny.

I specify that this is not a personal attack to the author I quoted, and that I'm quite sure the 6D is capable of delivering outstanding IQ.

There's one thing that I would like to highlight though.

I remember the time when the D800 proved to have better IQ than the 5D3. Back then many many people swore that a camera is not just the sensor, and that the 5D3's ruggedness and superior AF were unexpendable and very well worth the premium over the D800. They even threw in the rear LCD, just as icing on the cake.

Now the same people say the 6D is a great camera because the sensor's IQ is all you should care about. One-point AF? Not a tragedy. Plasticky construction? It's called light weight. Poor performance? Well, it encourages people to be more interactive with their photography. No fun if the camera does all the effort of focusing at things.

Now I wonder how it would be if the D600 and 6D's specs were swapped... if people would have the same opinion about this camera once the Canon engraving had been removed.

I think not.

I think what makes a Canon camera a Canon isn't because of just name but because of its fabulous L lenses and even the non-L gold ring lenses (very good primes).  6D isn't plasticky as some here would want to portray.  It still has a magnesium alloy body with it's top made of durable polycarbonate material.  Do we need another debate on what's more important (lens or body)?  The primary reason I'm into Canon system is due to its lenses.  I'm not kidding myself that currently, to think otherwise that Nikon has sensors but as many of us experienced, bodies come and go but lenses will always be the consistent factor in taking pictures.  That's why investing in lenses rather than bodies is the wisest course to take.

And no, if the Canon trademark is removed, that means the body can't take Canon lenses so most probably, a lot of Canon users won't even consider it.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shooting With the EOS 6D Part 2: Costa Rica
« on: December 30, 2012, 02:24:46 AM »
<p>I still don’t like the EF 24-70 f/2.8L II on the EOS 6D. Mainly because of the bulk of the lens compared to the body. The results are terrific, it just doesn’t balance well.

I played with the 6D for 2 days, from 1st patch copies....I shared the same thoughts with CRs members about the 6D chassis with L lenses. Some members didn't take it very well. They thought I was being negative on the 6D over 5D III. Especially people from crop to 6D....oh well's a great FF entry camera

Handled one with battery grip, it feels much better even with a heavy lens like a 100mm macro usm.  If I eventually buy it, i'll be sure to add a battery grip immediately.  Try it... You might like it.

Lenses / Re: What lenses should I take to India?
« on: December 28, 2012, 01:50:12 AM »
If I'm going to India, I'll be bringing a UWA (16-35 or 17-40) + normal lens (50 or 40mm) + a portrait lens (85 or 100mm).  You might consider a long lens only if you're going to the country side I guess.  UWA because of the very nice landscapes, normal lens for street photography and a portrait lens to take picture of the interesting people you'll find almost everywhere.  Good luck!

Nah...I'll still take a Nokia N8 (my current phone) or a 808 Pureview instead of the Samsung...any day. Zeiss glass, large sensor, no Google crap, better build quality and battery life.

Primarily for the Zeiss glass. It's definitely noticable. I can shoot and print 11x14 prints that are pretty hard to tell from an average P&S. Now, when up against a 1Ds3 or H4D, then it just ain't fair...

Yup.  Nokia is better but I'm talking of the form factor which I like.  I hope somebody take notice of it though.  I just don't like the cellphone's form factor.

You don’t have to get the latest a greatest galaxy to get good photos, I’m sure I posted elsewhere on here but for an experiment I got a display walls worth of 16x12s printed for a school trip my wife was running and I was amazed at the (relative) quality of them, didn’t think they would stand up to that sort of enlargement but hey they were loved by the intended audience. It goes without saying that photos intended for the interweb are just fine too. The biggest problem with all camera phones for me is shutter lag so she’s got an app that purports to help but I think it just cripples the res. I also hate holding at arm’s length, it’s just the most rubbish way to take a photo. That’s why I think the ‘M’ is such a joke it’s got the worst two features of a camera phone and you can’t even make a call with it :P

I don't think holding at arms length is a rubbish way to take photos.  Live view is a very good way of taking landscape photos.  Also, it depends on the preference of the user.  It might not be for you but don't generalize.  A lot of users are fine with taking pictures using a live view.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T4i or wait for T5i?
« on: December 27, 2012, 07:04:32 AM »
If you don't have the money and don't need video, I'd still suggest a good second-hand 5D classic (or better yet, 5D2) over any rebel or XX series.  You just need a cheap lens, 50mm to go with it and you have one of the best camera/lens combo.  It still has a better ISO performance than any current rebel body aside.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shooting With the EOS 6D in Costa Rica
« on: December 26, 2012, 04:54:52 AM »
I haven't heard of many normal people(with maybe one aging aps-c body and one or two lenses) choosing the 6D, only pro's and serious enthusiasts who just want a new Canon toy.
Depends what you mean by "normal", I guess, but I went from a Rebel XT to the 6D. Oh, and- yeah, not counting the Rebel's kit lens, I only had a 40mm pancake and EF75-300...
The 6D was never intended to better the 5D3.  It's fills a niche between the 5D3 and 7D in the EOS portfolio.  Those who are trashing it for not meeting or exceeding the 5D3's specs don't seem to understand that.
I fully understand that. But for Canon to leave out the 7D AF or better in a time(2012 not 2009) when nearly every Nikon has a better AF was pretty weak. All the new Nikon updates have at least a 39pt AF while Canon is still offering the same 9pt AF system that was lame when the 5D II came out years ago. For me, it wasn't impressive at all, especially for the launch price.
I'm sure lots of people disagree with me and are happy with the center point AF, but for me, I was over it. I already had a Canon 5D and the only problem was the ISO and the AF.
I waited for the 6D for a while as I have been wanting a lighter FF body for years(I travel a lot,) but when the specs were announced it was way too easy for me to not be interested in the camera, especially for $2100 dollars.

Then good for you.  If you really need better AF, then by all means go for D600.  However if you are only considering a Canon system such as most of us here, 6D or 5D3 is the way to go.  And don't tell us that "normal" people would go for a D600 instead.  I for one is considering going for 6D or 5D3 depending on my available budget by next year.  I'm a TI1 user and it didn't even crossed my mind to jumping to Nikon.  I guess I love my lenses so much.  Camera bodies come and go.  Sometimes it's Nikon on top and sometimes Canon but lenses will always be there for you to use even after several years.  Well I guess either you're very rich to invest in lenses from one system to another or you just need several lenses.  Well, each to his own...

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d2 officially discontinued.
« on: December 24, 2012, 11:37:30 AM »
Strange how the mk2 became so iconic when it is only a mk1 with 23 % increase in resolution ( which 90% of users didn't need ) and video ( which 90% of users didn't need ). When we got our first mk2 at Building Panos we thought the video was amazing, but very quickly found a proper video camera was much better for any  casual video that we wanted. The video function on the mk2's hasn't been used for years in our case.

Obviously it's a very capable camera for many applications, but then so was the Mk 1.

The mk3 deserves to achieve this iconic status because it broad range of capabilities is truly impressive  :)

ISO and IQ are a lot better than mark I.  The cheap video capability is also a big plus.  Maybe for your case you don't find 5D2 video great but here in Asia, 5D2 video capability is pretty much used especially by wedding photographers, videographers because it is less expensive than videocams and serve a dual purpose.  True, they also use a video camera but it is too expensive to have multiple videocam.  The best course is to have one main videocam and have several 5D2 to cover multiple perspectives.  Even until now, they are still used pretty much by a lot of wedding and event photographers.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Shooting With the EOS 6D in Costa Rica
« on: December 24, 2012, 05:53:54 AM »
I shoot with the Canon products, a 5D Mark III to be exact.  I also shoot with their professional camcorders.  That being said, I have to say that as a former Nikon user, the Nikon cameras provided a much sharper shot.  Don't get me wrong, I love my Mark III but honestly, it leaves me wanting more.  There are many cameras out there that are arguably better.  The Canon 6D is not one of those cameras.  That's not to suggest that it is a bad camera but, it is not better.  The picture taken in Costa Rica that was posted is not a very good picture in terms of quality.  The composition is good but the quality is typical of what I have seen from non-professional users.  More specifically, the picture lacks sharpness throughout and for whatever reason is not properly focused; however this is probably due to user error and not a deficiency within the camera.

This is more properly called viewer error, not user error.  The photo is perfectly focused on the child.  Exif indicates the photo was shot at f/2.8, so the background is understandably out of focus.

:)  +1.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5d2 officially discontinued.
« on: December 24, 2012, 03:51:31 AM »

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 22, 2012, 12:30:48 AM »
And i'll be pissed when the 6D drops to $1600 by summer.  Oh well.  That's why I don't bother looking at the price again of a product once I purchase it.  Too depressing.

Then why not buy it only by summer?  You've still got the very good Ti1.  :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 22, 2012, 12:02:37 AM »
but if it hurts your fanboy feelings when people dare to say that canon gear is overpriced... i beg your pardon but that´s what many people think.
It is overpriced but it is our choice whether to buy or not and what item to buy and when. So what's the point of whining?

+1 on overpriced but that's because they can.  There are third party lenses and even Nikon or Sony if you're not satisfied with Canon's pricing.

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