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EOS Bodies / Re: Are you really serious about 6D?
« on: December 13, 2012, 12:27:19 AM »
If you're using 5D2, I can't see you upgrading to 6D.  However for a rebel user, a 6D is very appealing.  WTH, some of these shots were taken with Nikon D200.  For me, brand doesn't matter.  Even your camera body doesn't matter that much.  Lens does matter more than the camera body.  But in the end, the one who takes matters most.  Enough of gear whining.   ;)


I've just seen these shots recently.  These shots are taken mostly with Nikon D200 and D7000.  Not mine, but it's worth sharing.  These photos are some of the best I can find in the web for macro and landscape.


Macro / Re: Is no one interested in macro?
« on: December 13, 2012, 12:03:03 AM »
Not my pics but I found them really "WOW".  These are just some of the images that I aspire to get.  I shared them for inspiration.


How does the noise compare on something like a 60D with 17-55/2.8 IS, vs. a 6D with 24-70/4 IS?  If the 6D has to go up in ISO to compensate for the smaller aperture, will the resulting noise generally be more or less than the crop body at a lower ISO?  How about a 7D instead of a 60D?  In short, how does the low light benefit of going FF compare to the loss of a stop in aperture?

Thanks for any advice and help you can offer.

With the full frame camera, f/4 is dof-equivalent to f/2.5 on a crop. As far as ISO performance is concerned, all things equal you'd expect it to go up with the square of the crop factor, e.g. FF should be able to use 2.5x the ISO setting of the crop for comparable results assuming similar technology. I think you'll find this holds up pretty well, for example my Rebel body would struggle at ISO 800 and my 5DII is pretty comfortable at ISO1600.

And when you're on full frame, you only "lose a stop" on that lens (unless you put teleconverters on but then that's a choice)

BTW, unless you are shooting at base ISO a lot, you are throwing away most of the advantages of full frame if you only ever use it with a slow zoom lens.

How shaky are your hands ? (how fast do you need the shutter speed to be at 50mm to get a sharp picture if you aren't using IS ?)

Another possible application is macro shooting.  You're into wildlife thus I'd presume that you'll also want to photograph insects.  I'm also thinking of this because I'm also into landscape plus macro.  Does a shallow DOF compensates ISO performance for APS-C? I shoot using 500D.  In good light, ISO 800 is pretty usable, comparable enough to a 5D2 on 1600.  I've searched through flickr and compared my shots with those using FF.  Most of my shots are on F/8- F/11 while those using FF are between F/11-F/16 and sometimes F/22.  I'm using a 100mm macro USM non-L.  I'm on the same boat and a little bit confused/undecided... a 6D or a 7D2...  :-\

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D Experience
« on: December 12, 2012, 07:55:19 PM »
I got my 6D yesterday and thought I will share my initial impressions. These impressions are from a Canon shooter coming from Rebel bodies (450D & 500D) and I thought it will help someone that is in the same boat as I was in figuring our whether or not to upgrade to the 6D.

What I use a camera for:
Family (with kids running around) and Travel.  Nothing for payment

Physical Attributes
Weight: Heavier than anticipated and with the 24-105 kit much more than the Rebel.  I had a 17-50 F2.8 Sigma on my Rebel which made it heavier than the out of the box kit already, but the 6D is beyond that.  I am glad I have a Black Rapid strap.  Would not like this around my neck.  However, the balance (not tipping over so much) is better than my 500D/Sigma combo and although heavier, definitely usable all day long.
Size: I like the physical size over the Rebel.  Using both hands on it feel much more comfortable. I handled a 5DIII&5DII in the store, and I prefer the 6D size. For me, coming from a Rebel, the 6D feels great in the hand while the 5DIII felt like a stretch.
Feel & Buttons: Everything felt better - body, buttons, shutter sound (love that  ;D).  I have to get use to using the top plate buttons, but the rest of the button layout felt very familiar even to the dated 500D.

Name an attribute, and it is better than the 500D, and you can't help but think that "this is how it is supposed to be".  The level of customization really impressed me. I appreciate that the 5DIII and 1DX is even better at this, but coming from a Rebel, WOW! What I particularly liked is:
- C1 and C2 functions
- Minimum shutter speed setting
- Customisation options in general. Like AI Servo assignability to the DOF button, ISO limits, Different Focus points in Portrait v Landscapes
- Direct access to Drive, ISO etc. on top plate
- GPS & Wifi: Did not explore this other than pairing to my iPhone and (it has a slight lag) I can see this being handy for shots where I am in front of the camera with the family.
- HDR: I liked that this is built in.
- WB: I might miss a dedicated button for this, but the Q menu does accomodate this.

ISO: High ISO is so much better than the 500D. Expressing it in Stops is beyond my ability, but with the 500D I did not use 1600 (except in the rare circumstances where shutter speed was more important than IQ). Now with this I can see no problem going to 6400 and I think 12800 will become the new 1600 (which is still 1 stop below native max). So what is that 3 Stops  ;) ? Off course this is dependent on what you can tolerate in terms of noise.
FPS: It’s faster than my 500D so that’s an improvement for me and I see it as adequate for the "action" type shots I sometimes need.
Focus: I played with it indoors (dark outside) and with the 24-105, 50 1.4, 100 L Macro and 70-200 F4 Non-IS.  My approach was not scientific at all but the focus on the centre point was snappy and quicker than my Rebel.  The Macro was slow as usual.  I used the outer points, and as I Rebel user could not complain about speed or accuracy.
Viewfinder: Forget that it is not 100%, this is much better/brighter than the Rebel's

Yes I am sure a lot of people can and will nitpick over many of the (missing) features. But coming from a Rebel, most will be blown away. So, is the upgrade worth it? Well, I felt I had to upgrade from my 500D. So it was either a 60D/650D (body only) at $800 or this. So does the extra $2000 ($1200 body + 800 lens) make you a better photographer? No, but it will make the pictures you do take look better, especially in low light. 
Why not 5DII? I liked the smaller/lighter size, Overall newer tech, Digic 5+, GPS & WiFi options and I am confident that this will now last me a very long time.
Why not D600? To commited to EOS (Lenses and Flashes) and I handled it in the shop, it felt very foreign.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I'm coming from the same rebel too.  I'm still waiting for the 7D2 and will decide after its release.  Have fun!

Lenses / Re: 50mm upgrade or 85mm coverage?
« on: December 12, 2012, 09:52:38 AM »
If it were me, I'd get a 70-200 or 17-40(16-35) just to be a little bit flexible before I get an 85.  Anyway, you know what you need most.   ;)

Just to get that "PRO" look?  ;D  Anyway, I've seen some scratches.  Are you sure you didn't accidentally tow this with your car?  Just kidding.   ::)

EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D3 (or wait for 7d2?)
« on: December 12, 2012, 09:45:57 AM »
I'm not a big fan of flash photography.

Personally, I'm a big fan of flash photography, but in a way you cannot or can only barely see there was artificial light involved - and to let the background meld with the lit object high iso capability is important as well.

Here is my "super-skill" of PP when I need an object stands out under low light :P :P :P  J.K

Most of my photos are just family moments - kids running around the house and family vacation etc... nothing special.

I did have a chance to play with the studio lighting few months back. Yes....it's very nice to have proper lighting when we serious about photography.

For now, I like FF plus my fav 24-70 + 70-200. I'm thinking about 50L this x-mas, since I have over $500 cash value with Crutchfiled.

This would look a lot better if you're using a fill-in flash.  Scenes like these, I'll go full manual, meter on the background (most probably, requiring high ISO), and use an external fill-in flash to illuminate the foreground.  Even a cheap third party flash will greatly improve these kind of shots.  Just my 2 cents.

Canon General / Re: Remote Shutter Release for Canon 5D3
« on: December 11, 2012, 09:34:40 PM »
IPHONE.  oops...   ;)

Marsu42 will you please just buy a full frame camera before you drive us all insane

I find him and everybody entertaining to our otherwise boring forum.   :)

Canon General / Re: What real Pros shoot...
« on: December 11, 2012, 09:29:34 PM »
The lack of 1Ds models stands out.  Another indicator that photojournalists are required to double up as videographers, too.

+1.  Sometimes it's more important to capture the video to tell the whole scene.  With video, you capture almost everything including momentary facial expressions, conversations and other sounds which are also very important to journalism.

Lenses / Re: Zoom vs Primes?
« on: December 11, 2012, 10:35:29 AM »
I survived on 28mm, 50mm, 100mm, and a 55-250 in an APS-C for those rare times that I need longer focal length.  I find my 28mm 80% of the time in my camera body.  The 50mm, I use exclusively for portraits.  Once, I covered a whole wedding with just the 28mm and the 55-250.  You just need to be more agile and aware when using a prime lens.  Yes, you get the good IQ with primes but you need to work for it.  As for the zoom, I think this is more for event type usage.  I'd carry both depending on the situation.  For me, IQ is nothing if you can't get the shot you want.  That said, I'm fit and athletic enough to compensate for my lack of zoom lens like a 24-70 or 24-105 but sometimes, being able to zoom with your feet isn't enough.

Lenses / Re: 100mm 2.8L vs 135mm 2.0L
« on: December 11, 2012, 01:27:05 AM »
If identically framed for both 100mm lenses, then yes the DoF doesn't change. But comparing the 100mm macro with the 135mm at the same framing[
/b], DoF should be less with the 100mm macro.

+1 but at the same aperture.

Body: FF
Aperture: F2.8
Focal length: 135
Focus distance: 10 meters (to get 2X magnification)
Total Depth of field: 0.97m

Body: FF
Aperture: F2.8
Focal length: 100
Focus distance: 6.75 (to get 2X magnification)
Total Depth of field: 0.81m

But you forgot.  If you need that bokeh so bad for portraiture, 135 is still a lot better than 100mm due to its bigger aperture at F2.

Body: FF
Aperture: F2
Focal length: 135
Focus distance: 10 meters
Total Depth of field: 0.69m

Source Magnification: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/Canon-Lens-Magnification-Value.aspx
Source DOF calculator: http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/dof-calculator.htm

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Only 1 lens
« on: December 10, 2012, 09:46:53 PM »
Thanks for the input. i like the idea of the 24-105, but on a crop it is no longer so wide. the 5dc is an option that i havnt thought of in a while...   and getting rid of the 5d2 would be so hard.. its been my best friend

oh yeah, i forgot i have the 50 1.8, didnt even think of it since its not used too often and wouldnt be worth it to sell. its great for normal, i guess my problem is, i want wide, and tele..

If you really want to get rid of everything, except your 50 1.8, then get a 550D + 18-200.  If you go FF, there's not one lens that's cheap enough to have everything you want (wide and tele).  Get a dirt cheap Yongnuo if you want an external flash.  But for me, I'd settle with a 5D2 + 50 1.8/40 F2.8 at the very least.  You can zoom (in or out) with your feet for the meantime.  It's not perfect but at least you get the best IQ for your money.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Only 1 lens
« on: December 10, 2012, 09:31:21 PM »
I'd keep the 5DII, sell both lenses and the 580, get a used 24-105L, a used 430 flash, and a used 50/1.8 II. I think that could net you $1500 and leave you with a very good kit for landscapes and portraits.

+1.  That's the cheapest and most versatile list I can think of also.  You can also skip on the 24-105L for the meantime if you really need the money but I can't think of letting go of your 5D2.

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