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...I will have a 60D and 6D tomorrow for some rough analysis.

Let me know what you think of the way 6D renders colors and lighting dynamics. Now that I've moved on from testing to actual pictures, I am not liking what I am seeing in this respect. I'm shooting RAW and the the 6D files have a very different character than do 5D2 files imo, and not in a good way.

Can you please expound on this?  We want to know what's the difference...  And try using the updated DPP if possible when converting the 6D and 5D2 files.  The jpeg rendering of other software might not be as updated.

Thanks.

I'll try to explain using subjective terms and maybe a technical measurement or two.

To my eyes, everything is underexposed a significant amount and this is verified when looking at the RGB histogram in Capture One. Left side is towards the top and then a smooth slope to zero on the right for typical outdoor shots. Equivalent shots with 5D2 are exposed the way I'd expect and hisotgram is more level with some peaks, as expected.

Color renditions are flat and lifeless to my eyes. This is true just comparing equivalent shots from 5D2 and 6D and looking at the RAWs. Same holds true after working with them in Capture One. Let me put it this way: in adequate light, I'd take my 50D over the 6D in a heartbeat for exposure, color rendition and DR (as lacking as 50D was in DR)...the equvalent shots just look a lot better to my eyes.

I know there is a bunch of chatter about how 6D has better DR, but when shooting it seems the exact opposite and shadows are going black with no detail in the RAWs.

It's hard to quantify this sort of thing, but when I first got my 5D2 I was pleasantly stunned how good any shot looked. It's just the opposite with 6D for me and I'm stunned how un-Canon like all of my shots were. Yes, were. As in its boxed up to go back in exchange for a 5D3.

And I suppose that sums it up for me. As you can see in my earlier posts, I was happy as could be with the AF and low light when I tested it. But then when I started shooting it, it became quickly apparent I'd be sending it back and just spending the extra $ for a 5D3. And for me anyway, I'll spend $400 extra over the eBay price to buy it from B&H so I have no doubt it will have a warranty and I can send it back if I have an issue like I did with the 6D I bought from them...

Of course this is all just my opinion and YMMV. Maybe I got a dud, but bottom line is I'm going 5D3 instead.

Have you tried using DPP?  I don't think Capture One is updated already to handle raw files from 6D.  Just like Lightroom needs an update or a new profile just to handle other new bodies.  WTH, even DPP needs an update to correctly render raw files from new bodies.  Agreed, maybe you got a bum copy because, I have never seen anyone complain about the DR/IQ of 6D except for underexposing which could be easily adjusted by Canon Support if needed. 

Anyway, good choice.  I'd always say, if you think you've got the money to afford a 5D3, then go for it.  Granted it's more expensive but it's more versatile.  However, for some, I think it will be 6D.  I've got a friend who just got a 6D yesterday.  Hopefully, he brings it to office tomorrow so I can see it and maybe compare it with some cameras from our group.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 6D or 5D3 (or wait for 7d2?)
« on: December 08, 2012, 02:49:13 AM »
Go for 6D if IQ is more important than reach and your budget can't reach the 5D3.  6D + lens + AF = 5D3 + AF.  You decide what's more important and what you really need.  7D2 only if you need the extra reach and FPS.

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Lenses / Re: 17-40L vs 24-105L
« on: December 08, 2012, 02:36:52 AM »
In my humble opinion, for landscapes, go for 17-40L.  24-105L is used mainly as an all-purpose lens.  Since you have a 50mm, just use it as your normal lens but you will have to "zoom" with your feet.  It really depends on your style of shooting.  I myself, I'm shooting with 500D.  I have a 28mm (comparable to 50mm for FF) and it's my travel lens.  I have a 100mm macro and 55-250 as my primary "long" lens if needed.  I'm planning to get the 17-40 and the 70-300L later with the 6D as I plan to move to FF.

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...I will have a 60D and 6D tomorrow for some rough analysis.

Let me know what you think of the way 6D renders colors and lighting dynamics. Now that I've moved on from testing to actual pictures, I am not liking what I am seeing in this respect. I'm shooting RAW and the the 6D files have a very different character than do 5D2 files imo, and not in a good way.

Can you please expound on this?  We want to know what's the difference...  And try using the updated DPP if possible when converting the 6D and 5D2 files.  The jpeg rendering of other software might not be as updated.

Thanks.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 07, 2012, 07:01:41 PM »
Unless I want to be a spyier, WHY do I want to operate the camera through a cell phone ??? ??? ???

To understand and use any feature of a camera (including WiFi linking 6D with a smartphone), one needs imagination ... the first prerequisite of any photographer.


As a wedding photographer, how do you compose your shots when your camera is already on the tripod and you operate through a phone from distance?

I am not a professional wedding photographer but I did take photos at my niece's wedding earlier this year and the following is what I had done:
I used 2 cameras, a 5D MK III handheld and a 60D on a tripod. At our Church the parish priest does not allow photographers to come behind him (while the couple are facing him) during Mass, offertory and other Catholic rituals (which goes on for about 90 minutes). So I got the priest's approval to set a tripod (with my 60D) discreetly placed behind him. I used a 10 inch Asus Iconia tablet connected to my 60D with a 20 foot USB cable (running under the church carpet) and remotely triggered the camera with an android program called "RYC USB Pro". I chose a wide angle lens so I could change the AF to capture the couples expressions and sometimes the audience expressions. I took over two dozen memorable photos the professional photographer (who was hired to do the wedding photography) could not capture because the priest would not allow him to be at certain places. I would have preferred if it was totally wireless, like the WiFi feature on 6D, so I didn't have to worry about someone tripping on exposed parts of the USB cable.

Granted that the WiFi feature may not always be ideal for every single situation but everything has a time and place. But a little imagination wouldn't hurt. Sometimes I wonder what Adam Ansel and other great photographers before him would have thought of all the immature cribbing that goes on these days about every little feature on a camera that someone does not use or like. I plan to sell my 60D and get the 6D in about 2 or 3 months time because of the WiFi feature and of course the full frame advantage ... I can already imagine myself using my iPhone strapped to my hand (facing towards me) while I am taking photos above a crowd or placing the 6D near a bird nest and remotely triggering the camera from a distance ... so many possibilities, only if we are willing to use some IMAGINATION! IMAGINATION! IMAGINATION!


Again....this type of shootings are use in "spying", without compositions. Let me guess, you do composition in PP with crop.


I tend to agree with Rienz.  Anything is better than nothing.  Another example.  Having a camera on a pole where you can control composition but can't set manually the exposure or focus is just one of WIFI's uses.  Granted you can do this with more sophisticated accessories but WIFI just makes them easier.  As Rienz said, it's just about imaginationYou have it, use it.  Tools are there to be utilized.  Only your imagination limits you.

How about sending your camera underneath a remote helicopter and flying it while remotely controlling exposure and focus?  I agree, it's too dumb because it's too risky and expensive to do.  But we know that soon, there will somebody crazy enough to do it.   ;D


Mount a 6D on tripod to capture an ave Joe's shot doesn't require much imagination.

If you just thought about DSLR on Heli.....you little behind. Guess what kinda of DSLR on that heli? I'll give you a hint = NOT 6D, a cheap $200 DSLR that I bought on CL without WiFi....use your imagination


So does this disprove the usability of a WIFI in 6D?  I think you only gave an alternative.  And guess what, if this is the limit of your imagination, then we can't say anything anymore.  In the meantime, I strongly oppose limiting ourselves with these kind of shots.  Imagination of a photographer should be boundless.  You can't put a limit of what you can do.  When you do that then that's the time you stop growing.  As artists, we have to think and take all perspectives.

Here's something where you can remote control pan and tilt head. (This is just experimental but certainly have the potential.)  Add to this the possibility of remote controlling focus and exposure of your camera, you have a very good camera system where you can put it anywhere.  It can give you different perspectives aside from those hard-to-get shots and it has all the FULL FRAME goodness of the 6D.  You can even preview your shots before taking it.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Remote-Controlled-Pan-and-Tilt-Head/

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 07, 2012, 04:17:56 AM »
Unless I want to be a spyier, WHY do I want to operate the camera through a cell phone ??? ??? ???
To understand and use any feature of a camera (including WiFi linking 6D with a smartphone), one needs imagination ... the first prerequisite of any photographer.

As a wedding photographer, how do you compose your shots when your camera is already on the tripod and you operate through a phone from distance?
I am not a professional wedding photographer but I did take photos at my niece's wedding earlier this year and the following is what I had done:
I used 2 cameras, a 5D MK III handheld and a 60D on a tripod. At our Church the parish priest does not allow photographers to come behind him (while the couple are facing him) during Mass, offertory and other Catholic rituals (which goes on for about 90 minutes). So I got the priest's approval to set a tripod (with my 60D) discreetly placed behind him. I used a 10 inch Asus Iconia tablet connected to my 60D with a 20 foot USB cable (running under the church carpet) and remotely triggered the camera with an android program called "RYC USB Pro". I chose a wide angle lens so I could change the AF to capture the couples expressions and sometimes the audience expressions. I took over two dozen memorable photos the professional photographer (who was hired to do the wedding photography) could not capture because the priest would not allow him to be at certain places. I would have preferred if it was totally wireless, like the WiFi feature on 6D, so I didn't have to worry about someone tripping on exposed parts of the USB cable.

Granted that the WiFi feature may not always be ideal for every single situation but everything has a time and place. But a little imagination wouldn't hurt. Sometimes I wonder what Adam Ansel and other great photographers before him would have thought of all the immature cribbing that goes on these days about every little feature on a camera that someone does not use or like. I plan to sell my 60D and get the 6D in about 2 or 3 months time because of the WiFi feature and of course the full frame advantage ... I can already imagine myself using my iPhone strapped to my hand (facing towards me) while I am taking photos above a crowd or placing the 6D near a bird nest and remotely triggering the camera from a distance ... so many possibilities, only if we are willing to use some IMAGINATION! IMAGINATION! IMAGINATION!

Again....this type of shootings are use in "spying", without compositions. Let me guess, you do composition in PP with crop.

I tend to agree with Rienz.  Anything is better than nothing.  Another example.  Having a camera on a pole where you can control composition but can't set manually the exposure or focus is just one of WIFI's uses.  Granted you can do this with more sophisticated accessories but WIFI just makes them easier.  As Rienz said, it's just about imagination.  You have it, use it.  Tools are there to be utilized.  Only your imagination limits you.

How about sending your camera underneath a remote helicopter and flying it while remotely controlling exposure and focus?  I agree, it's too dumb because it's too risky and expensive to do.  But we know that soon, there will somebody crazy enough to do it.   ;D

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Lenses / Re: Best lenses for canon 5D mark iii or 6D
« on: December 07, 2012, 12:30:27 AM »
5D3 + 17-40L + 50 F1.4 + 85 F1.2L + 200mm F2L + 100mm USM L/non-L.

UWA - with 5D3, no need for a F2.8.  Almost same performance with 16-35 from F5.6 up (unless you are really into low, low-light).
Normal lens - nice IQ, light, good AF, versatile enough for low-light.
Portrait - arguably best portrait lens (with the 135L) or the 100mm F2.
Tele - not as versatile as 70-200 but good IQ performance.
Macro - 100mm USM L or non-L.  This or invest the money in getting a 70-200.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D Wifi Linking with iPhone 5
« on: December 05, 2012, 11:24:54 PM »
Unless I want to be a spyier, WHY do I want to operate the camera through a cell phone ??? ??? ???

Gotta agree that there are lots of uses for it (funny too because this was a feature I was kind ehhh whatever on when the specs were announced). 

I enjoy night photography!  So, the ability to control long exposures from my phone would rock! 

Also, I was thinking of ways to use it at weddings too, for ceremonies and receptions!  (I do rather like the idea of that!  Especially for the ones where I don't have a second shooter!).  Really there are quite a few possibilities for this feature!
A possible wedding usage is to set up the camera in a spot where a photographer would not be permitted to stand, getting a perspective that would otherwise be impossible.  At some churches this is the entire altar area.  Of course it would require getting permission first.  And it would require using the quiet shutter mode.

It may not be practical as a "second shooter replacement" during critical times, such as when the bride is walking up the aisle, because a solo photographer will need to be shooting with their camera and at the same time be shooting with the phone ... not an easy task.

+1 on the different perspectives... E.g., how about a shot from underneath the hands of the couple during the ring ceremony to capture the emotions of the couple as those rings are being slid?  I agree it's doable also from above but sometimes, a different perspective can make your shots more dramatic.  A well placed 6D controlled by IPhone can definitely do that...  Some priests won't allow photographers generally in the altar area during the ceremony.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 05, 2012, 11:13:30 PM »
....in astrophotography we mount our telescopes and cameras on tracking mounts.

Wait, wait...you mean the earth moves during your exposures?   :o

 ;)

I think he refers to the tracking mounts used to mount the telescopes (not primarily for moving but for re-positioning of the telescope).  When rotated 90 degrees, it's either you go underneath the telescope to attach your camera (and view/compose the shot) or if you have a flip screen, you can simply flip and you have already a view of your shot.  6D might have offered a good workaround to this by providing a flip-screen like feature through Wifi/smartphone.

I mean tracking mounts.... polar align the mount, calibrate the mount, then point it at, for example, Jupiter and the camera stays on Jupiter as it arcs across the sky.... the mount tracks celestrial bodies....  neuro's response was tongue in cheek... everyone knows the earth stays still and the universe revolves around it  :)
Neuro forgot to put his <sarcasm> tag
That probably threw everybody ;)
definitely.  :)

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Lenses / Re: Canon 100mm f/2.0 for portraits
« on: December 05, 2012, 09:24:06 PM »
With what body (APS-C or FF) will you be using it?  It's a very good portrait lens on FF, IMO it's too long on APS-C, but good for indoor sports.

+1.  APS-C, you may want an 85mm F1.8 or 50mm F1.4 instead.  For FF, it's one of the best lenses for portraiture.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Information [CR1]
« on: December 05, 2012, 09:16:09 PM »
....in astrophotography we mount our telescopes and cameras on tracking mounts.

Wait, wait...you mean the earth moves during your exposures?   :o

 ;)

I think he refers to the tracking mounts used to mount the telescopes (not primarily for moving but for re-positioning of the telescope).  When rotated 90 degrees, it's either you go underneath the telescope to attach your camera (and view/compose the shot) or if you have a flip screen, you can simply flip and you have already a view of your shot.  6D might have offered a good workaround to this by providing a flip-screen like feature through Wifi/smartphone.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just ordered a 6D...
« on: December 05, 2012, 09:01:37 PM »
At this point getting a 5DM3 makes more sense being that its only $800 or so more unless the little wifi and gps thing floats your boat.

If you're satisfied with just a very good center point, 6D makes more sense since @$800, you can get very good L lenses already.  E.g., just add a little bit more and you have an MPE-65 or 24-105 or a 17-40.  For first time budget FF users, a lens might be more important than having the amazing sports AF of 5D mark III.  On top of that you also get wifi and gps.  For travel photography, these features are very handy.  Oh and add to that the significantly lighter body.  For all-day hike for example, it will be heaven for some.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D vs 5Diii today...
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:48:33 AM »
Clearly the 6D. Much cheaper, same picture, lighter, nicer body, plus the wifi and GPS comes in handy.

In which way?

I think he's referring to 6D being smaller, a purely subjective trait.  5D3 is bigger and more robust.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D vs 5Diii today...
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:24:39 AM »
Depends on your needs.  Just be reminded that there are a lot of lenses that you can get for $1K.  If you really need the AF of 5D3 then by all means, go for it.  If you think 6D AF is enough though, you can spend your 1K for some very good lens instead.  For me, a Canon MPE-65 comes to mind.  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No RAW support for the 6D in DPP.....shame
« on: December 05, 2012, 08:07:43 AM »
Shame... but nobody's perfect.  Symmar22, just learn from your mistakes.  cheers!   ;D

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