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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:48:49 AM »
if i have two equal products today .... i don´t care if one was released earlyer.

Ahhh...so, the products are equal, are they?  :-X

+1

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:42:35 AM »
I don't think I sharpened this one.  It's possible that I did a bit of noise reduction on the background and perhaps the much noisier outline you see is the area inside my outline of the bird.  But, honestly, I don't see it, your eyes are better than mine.
I see it.  I was thinking maybe setting the radius at around 1.4 or a little less may fix it.  Then again, shooting with the 100-400mm, maybe not quite as tight a crop would reduce the affect.  Nice work though, wouldn't have thought it was a low light image!  Good job on the handheld too...  :D

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:40:39 AM »
The Crane is beautiful Ren... Wish we had some of those down here in Florida!
There are quite a few at the Animal Kingdom park at Disney World and the Animal Kingdom Lodge savannas.  They are beautiful.
Indeed!  I prefer not to pay the almost $100 to go see them... I would prefer to find them in the wild, although, we certainly have our share of excellent Avian..  ;D

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:36:37 AM »
Also your analogy is incomplete because you don't compare the release dates of the Canon v. Nikon products.  As you know, the drop-off occurs most drastically after the first few months.  Were the Canon products and Nikon products at the exact same stage in their lifecycles?

who cares?
if i have two equal products today .... i don´t care if one was released earlyer.

i care about what i have to pay.

Well that being said, then it would seem to "pay" to care about release dates... Just saying..  ???

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:20:47 AM »
That's why it is always prudent to wait.

Prudent...if your main goal is to get new gear at the lowest possible price, because the cost is a limiting factor.  That's not true for everyone, though.

In that case, Prudence Pays...

I'm a hobbyist, so "jobs" mean nothing to me as far as recouping that early adopter surcharge that many of you mention.

I'm a hobbyist, too, which means I don't have to track P&L or claim depreciation on my tax returns...  Since I can afford (and pay cash for) the gear I buy, a price drop after I buy doesn't particularly bother me.

In that case, Prudence is Perfunctory...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:17:57 AM »
One other thing.  I couldn't imagine shooting this last 2.5 years with my old XSi instead of my over priced 7D.  The images and fun I've had shooting my 7D over those last couple of years has been worth every penny I spent and I couldn't care how much they sell for now, it was worth every penny...

Not only that, my 7D paid for itself and paid for my 5D3 in the time I've had it... If my first 7D wasn't still such a fantastic camera I go out and buy another one now at these new low prices just to have one for a back up...

Of course the 7D2 being on the horizon, I suppose I can wait it out... check out the specs anyway!  Then wait a year to purchase... 6 months after announcement and 6 more months after initial release... So it's a possible purchase maybe around spring of 2014... not being an early adopter... but who knows what else they will come out with by then! 

Don't look back! 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon Cannot Keep Screwing It's Customers Over
« on: December 21, 2012, 09:09:13 AM »
I knew I wanted the 5D MK III right after I read the specs, after the announcement.  I also knew that there would be updates and bug fixes within a few months, I also knew that seasonal (Christmas, black Friday) sales would drive prices down for a short run...

I own an amazing 7D, still worth every penny I paid for it 2.5 years ago, to me anyway.  I knew I wasn't going to pay $3400 for the 5D3 that I wanted so bad.  Put on my big boy pants and decided to wait it out... Did I miss out? not really, most bugs are fixed, my 7D is still an amazing tool in my hands, still made money with my 7D to help pay for my 5D3 and waited till this week to grab one for $2600... I'm happy with what I paid and have no doubt I'll continue to be happy with that, several years from now when it's selling for another $600 less...

Everyone knows the drill.  Just wait it out if it's too much now.  If you don't know the drill, you will learn after you buy the first time as an early adopter.  It was obviously worth it to you when you made the intial purchase, go enjoy your gear and hobby and fahgetaboutit...  8)  Just make a choice not to be an early adopter anymore...

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 21, 2012, 08:27:52 AM »
The Crane is beautiful Ren... Wish we had some of those down here in Florida!  You guys have quite a variety of owls as well, no?

Grey Necked Crowned Crane

Rebel, f/5, 1/200, iso 500

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D2 for a day after 5D3 for 6 months
« on: December 21, 2012, 08:20:34 AM »
So Rev, it almost sounds has if there wouldn't be much need to even keep the 7d other than maybe for the occassional need for a backup. 

Would former 7d users be better off selling the crop and picking up either some new glass or perhaps a teleconverter for their 5d MK III and longer lenses or just hanging on to it, in your opinion? ???

I only ask as my 5D MK III arrives this weekend and I've wondered quite a few times whether I'd be better off keeping my 7D or letting it go in favor of new teleconverter to make up the difference in reach or maybe just go toward some new glass, like a 24-70mmL?  What's your opinion?  I know we all have different needs, your point of view however may be valuable, being in the same situation, where you own both...


I kept hearing about all the worry from wildlife shooters in ever giving up the 7D with a 400mm (=640mm) in that they would lose that extra reach.  What they fail to realize is the IQ is in fact so much better than the 7D in that you can crop til your hearts content with minimal sacrificing.  I've used my 7D twice in 6 months for wildlife with the 400mm yet still keep going back to 5DM3 as the photos are just much better IQ.  As you zoom in on a 7D  the images break up much quicker than the 5D

Let's not forget the AFMA on the 5DM3 now offers two settings for zooms: Wide and Tele Mode as well as the dual memory cards.  I don't believe the 5DM2 had either of these.  Additionally there's one more AF zone (total 6) than even the 7D has which is 5.

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Canon General / Re: necessity of photography school
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:33:03 PM »
this is a difficult question to answer as it really depends on so many variables (individual aspiration, type of educational institution, curriculum, quality and philosophy of the individual educators, etc). that being said, i will offer my perspective.

my particular experience started at a small 2 year college that was backed by both Pratt and Corcoran, though i began attending in only its second year of existence so the curriculum was being developed as we attended (this turned out to be a benefit in hindsight). i graduated with an associates and then enrolled at the University of the Arts the following fall. over that summer i began assisting a high end commercial photographer in Philly about 25 hours a week (which i continued to do throughout the remainder of my schooling). after graduating with my BFA, i continued assisting and began working in a commercial lab. after about 2 years i was invited to teach continuing education classes at my original school and often interacted with the degree students there. eventually i was invited to become an instructor at the University of the Arts and just wrapped up my 13th semester there. i have essentially participated in all sides of the questioned posed.

much has changed since i first began attending art school with both the photography industry and the industry of education.

i would say above all else, it depends greatly on the individual as to whether formal education in photography is worthwhile AND what that individual's aspirations in photography are. after that, the type of institution, its curriculum, and the quality of its educators can have a profound impact on whether the investment in that education is worth it.

if the assumption is that the individual has the highest aspirations in photography (whether it be in a commercial or fine art venue), then yes formal education can be extremely valuable....BUT only if the quality of an institutions curriculum and its educators are on par with the individual's aspirations. there are many talented students who wash out because they cannot handle the rigors of pursuing a successful career in photography and there are many institutions that will provide an education but that education may fall well short of preparing the student to successfully enter the world of PROFESSIONAL photography.

aside from that, mentorship, camera clubs, and continuing education classes may provide minute benefits in the short term but in my experience they very rarely provide the type of information that would propel someone towards real long term success as they are typically run by individuals with limited knowledge, experience, and success. camera clubs are particularly suspect and are pretty well despised by reputable professionals and educators.

the reality of photography (imo) is that it is a complex and diverse subject that simply takes a lifetime to master. the very annoying trend these days (which has been exasperated with the advent of digital) is that photography is easy and can be learned quickly. so many people out there want near instant results whether it be a client or an aspiring photographer. sub par photography is easy and happens often. masterful photography takes a tremendous amount of knowledge and experience and is becoming more and more rare.

so in the end it really depends on what you feel you need to be educated in and what your end goals are. if you just want to learn some new tricks then there's probably a website out there or a class you can take. if you want to be the very best photographer you can be, then the education never ends and you should be actively getting it from every venue you can possibly gain access to.

Well said... +1

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:23:24 PM »
Female House Finch caught with Prickly Pear juice on its beak..I just love how the bokeh effect came out on this one !


House Finch caught Red Handed, I mean Beaked! by Revup67, on Flickr
yep, that's a nice bokeh!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:21:45 PM »
Canon7D with f/2.8 300mm II + 2xTC, iso 400, 1/320 - 1/500  f/5.6

These are at the limits of resolution as the kingfisher was quite far away. I was hand holding the light combo with the 300mm + 2xTC. The kingfisher hovered with head dead still, dived and came up with his catch.
That first image is really cool Alan!  8)  For just a split second, I thought you had a hummer there!  Nice job!  Hard to catch these fast as rocket little guys!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:18:34 PM »
African Pink Backed Pelican

Rebel
f/5.6
1/250
iso 200
Cool, haven't seen them before!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:17:53 PM »
Cattle Egret

Rebel
f/5
1/250
iso 800
Cool image... He seems to be very intense... Too bad so dark out at that time or heavy shade, sunlight would have lit up his coloring really nice.  I do like his interesting pose!  Nice image Renegade!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: December 20, 2012, 08:14:36 PM »
Hi guys,

Took this picture of a crow a few months ago. Would love some feed back!


Nakano Crow by meronpanichiban, on Flickr
I agree with Rev on this one Meadow... Unless you can bring out some more of the details under his breast level in post, color may have been better.  More contrast between the background and the subject may have helped him pop a little, but the background seems a little too much and not enough to me to be able to get a good B&W on this one...

Great attempt!  His/her pose was really kind of cool.  I like birds with expressions!  Cheers!

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