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Animal Kingdom / Re: Your best animal shots!
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:47:48 AM »
Great pictures all around in this thread, keep posting guys :)


Heres another one from me, a big male lion enjoying the sunset in Savuti Game Reserve.



Lion Sunset by Darlip, on Flickr
I  love it Darlip!  Classic imagery!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Your best animal shots!
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:46:46 AM »

Excellent Rick!  Did you post this one in the Bird Portrait forum as well?

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom Help?
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:42:48 AM »
I'm still using LR4.4, but the learning process would be similar.  I purchased "The Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 4 Book for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby and read the first three or four chapters before digging into the program.  there are some key decisions you need to make concerning location of files and some set-up parameters that are best done before you do much with the program.

I only have experience with Kelby Training LR books and videos and i recommend those highly.  Kelby has a number of LR5 training materials available.  If you don't want to spend any money on training materials, Adobe offers some very god free videos and YouTube has lots of free options.

I think you will love LightRoom once you get comfortable with it - I do.
Yes, the adobe video's are excellent and you have to dig around the sight a little bit to find them or check them out on youtube.  They are really great and can help you in the filing decisions as well.  I think Julianne Kost does a lot of them for Adobe, I believe she is an Adobe Evangelist.  She's quite good to help learn the system...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:37:20 AM »

Wow really expensive, here in France we can buy a new one for 1100€...
I think he was saying the new 7D, meaning when they first came out...
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New 7D had a price tag of 1699EUR in Slovenia
Note that he stated: "HAD" not has...   But I can't be sure... ;)
Yes, when it first came out. Still, vendors nowadays want approx. 1239 EUR for the 7D. If 5D Mark III were $2500 as it is in the US, I would have had it a long time ago. It's 2990 EUR ($3900).

$2500 in the US?   I am seriously wondering how people come up with this -- yeah you get your once in a while super sales through ebay, but the new price of the 5d3 is still above 3k.  Even used and refurbs are all selling above $2600 (before buying my 6d I was hunting for the fabled $2500 mk3, and in 2 months of seaching the best i found was refurb for $2700)
You're right Chuck!  I got really lucky and got mine brand new for $2700 due to a friend wanting a 24-105mm kit lens and already owning a 5d3.  I just let him know that I was buying a 5d3 and could order the kit if he wanted to pay for the lens...  He bought it from me for just a little under the going retail at the time, leaving me with an excellent deal on my 5d MkIII. 

That scenario worked out well for me and if someone puts an ad on in some of the forums, suggesting what they are trying to do, it can work out as a win-win for both parties, like it did for me!

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hmm i see!

well the lenses i have are
- 24-105L
- 70-200 f/4 IS L
- 100mm f/2.8 macro L

Also an ef-s 10-22 and a samyang 8mm fisheye for my 600D which i'll use for a second camera which performs quite well in 1600-3200 iso and these lenses doesn't need fast speeds. f/5.6 and 1/60 are ok even for a large print 30x40cm

i'll buy an ef 50mm f/1.4 along the the FF camera. (i love the creamy 1.2 but it goes way beyond my tight budget :(


The way i'm thinking of it.
my FF will play with the 50 1.4 and the 24-105 for start
and the 600D with 10-22, fisheye, and the 100L which is ideal for head portraits as it becomes like 160mm

Your 10-22 won't work on a FF body (you may know that already though).  I'm not sure if the 8mm is FF capable, but that would be almost tooo wide for wedding work

Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all, then sold to a friend who was going to africa and wanted more than a P&S.    So, be ready for your 600D to become a dust collector!

Also, after you snag your mk3, you could sell the 600d with 10-22 and then the 8 mm and snag yourself a 6d as backup body.

Lastly, I see your hot to trot for the 50 1.4, but, take a good look at the 85mm 1.8...same price basically but IMO a much more useful lens!

either way, be ready for the 600d to become a paper weight!


i see your point.
if i'd sell the 600D + 10-22 i'd go for the 16-35 2.8, i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes.

the EF 85mm 1.8 is an excellent lens no doubt, better in everything than 50mm 1.4 (sharpness, bokeh)
However, the 50mm range is more "all around" than the 85mm and the churches here are a bit tight.

I had thought the same thing ---re: " i was thinking to keep the 600D with the 10-22 for the wide angle shots and also as a backup camera and put some money on primes."...But your 24-70 will actually cover the wide end on a FF body!  It was startling to me, my 24-70 was a whole new lens on FF vs crop.  And the quality at 24mm on FF vs the 10-22mm,...yeah, I quickly decided that its just better to take a few more steps back and use the 24-70 on the mk3 than to use the 10-22mm on the 7d.  That really ended up being the final nail in my 7d's coffin.  That and the reach factor with crop vs cropping the FF image...cropped FF was superior.

LOL --- the primes I have now, I bought them thinking - OK, lets see if maybe using the 7d with the 50mm and 85mm would get me to use it more.  What ended up happening?  I used the primes on the mk3.  Seriously, I was fighting to find a way to make the 7d relevant, but in all cases the mk3 outshined it by so much that I just stopped using the 7d.  So yeah, be ready for that (and the 7d is a bteer body than your 600d!!!!).
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Also, I was on a 7d before upgrading to the mk3 (I also had the 10-22).  I tried my best to use both side by side at weddings.  But, I found that the 7d became a very heavy lens holder...It did great at outdoor ceremonies, but  the difference in IQ above ISO 1600, that is a game changer and yeah, led to my 7d just sitting in the bag all day, then not even in the bag at all
Sounds pretty much like what my experience was!  Lot of noisy shadows with my 7D.  I just finally sold it about a week ago.  Something I never thought would ever happen, six months ago!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List [CR3]
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:24:04 AM »
DxO measures the ability of a lens to deliver a quality image. To whit, the 50/1.8 can deliver a higher quality image for than the 600/4.0. Both lenses can be good lenses and deliver exceptional IQ but it is perfectly ok for one lens (even a cheaper lens) to be better than the other for a given purpose.

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is bad or low quality, similarly, just because something is expensive doesn't make it high quality.

If you believe that represents a general measure of image quality, you probably think a lens is a camera.  Oh wait, you actually do think that...

I should point that I'm not bashing DxOMark - I find their measurements very useful (notwithstanding the few occasions where they've clearly gotten a bad copy of a lens and pretended that didn't happen). 

Specifically, in the case of the 50/1.8 vs. 600/4 II comparison, if you actually look at the optical measurements, the 600/4 II is sharper, has less distortion, less vignetting, and less CA.  The only metric on which the 50/1.8 outscores the 600/4 II is on transmission, and the way DxOMark weights the scores, that means the 50/1.8 gets a better overall score (and while their measurements are useful, their overall scores are totally useless, IMO). 

People who just look at the top line number and make assumptions about what that means, with no attempt to understand the rationale behind that number, are unfortunately easily deceived (and maybe that's intentional on DxO's part?).

To say that the higher score of the 50/1.8 means it delivers 'better image quality' is ludicrous.  The 50/1.8's higher score simply means it lets in more light...which is pretty obvious from the specified max aperture of the lens.
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To say that the higher score of the 50/1.8 means it delivers 'better image quality' is ludicrous.  The 50/1.8's higher score simply means it lets in more light...which is pretty obvious from the specified max aperture of the lens.
Indeed, that is pretty obvious... As well, your remarks regarding purpose, quite pivotal with regard to the context of this discussion...

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EOS Bodies / Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:22:01 AM »
I don't like those options at all.

ISO 6400 is not really usable on 5D3, so on 7D2? Not gonna happen... I guess this comes down to the definition of "usable". My shooting style is to avoid high ISOs especially when it's dark.

Then the slow burst rate combined with the higher mega pickles... What's the point? Well, if it's a macro only camera then yeah, I'd go with this options just to get more room for additional cropping.


Megapickles? ROFL. Best typo ever.

Why do you say 5d3 not usable at 6400...there's been some truly awesome example online at even 12800 (or am i thinking the 6d?)

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I've had no issues with my 5d mkIII shooting very usable images at iso 6400 and highter...

I like mega pickles too...but as to the best typo, go check the 70d spec topic...feature number 3!

the OP edited the typo out, but it is preserved via insert quote  ;D

My 2cents for 7D II:

1. 1D X AF system
2. 10fps
3. Solid body, similiar to 5D III
3. wife etc
4. ISO same as rumor 70D or a bit better
5. Sensor technology same as 1D X  or 5D III - crop size with Dual DIGIC 5+ Image Processors
6. More poweful battery

Wow, that's quite a feature...   ;D
Will this "feature" be the same in all continents or they will be variations depending whether the model is sold, like Japan, EU or USA?    ;D  ;D  ;D

(Just like Kiss/Rebel/ etc...)
Could be the new feature make cause some folks to order their new cameras as "grey market"...  :D
Or even get multiple bodies (for redundancy of course)  ;D
One should always have a backup body... or two...  ;D

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Software & Accessories / Re: Lightroom Help?
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:20:13 AM »
Any suggestions for a book on Lightroom (5)?  I have been using PS Elements for several years.  Got talked into getting Lightroom, supposely to shorten my work flow.

I have to admit, when I open up Lightroom I am lost.

Any suggestions on an instructional manual for learning Lightroom?
Kelbytraining.com has some excellent video tutorials.  It'll shorten your learning curve by miles!  In fact and better yet, I'm pretty sure that Adobe has a ton of free video tutorials on the product..

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EOS Bodies / Re: Pick between two options for the Canon 7D II
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:18:26 AM »
So far the 7DII is vapor ware.....  :'(  I personally do not see it ever making it to market. Hope I am wrong. We will see. But I aint waiting on it anymore for sure.
Why not?  I think Don Haines mentioned that even Canon said the 7D MkII would be a "game changer"?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Comparing AF-tracking 7D, 60D and 70D
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:12:31 AM »
The 60d can't hold a candle tracking birds next to the 7d.

Someone I know sold their 60d immediately after testing my 7d. The 70d? Well who knows yet.

Thanks you for your reply. But I must be poking you: From what I read, I can't tell whether you or your friend actually ever compared the cameras side by side tracking birds. You seem very sure about the qualities of the 7D, but did you personally try a 60D? Neither do you mention which criteria led your friend to his decision. Perhaps he did not compare tracking either and maybe was relying on general AF-speed rather than on accuracy.
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You seem very sure about the qualities of the 7D, but did you personally try a 60D?

I had both.  I returned the 60d within a few days after taking it to Key West for some BIF images.  I picked up the 7D, went back to South Florida went after the BIF and never looked back.  The 60d doesn't come near the AF capabilities of the 7D, especially once you set up the custom functions in the 7D to maximize it's AF systems best capabilities...

After my experience, I would never recommend the 60D for BIF.  Not that some bif shots can't be had, they can but not at the same keeper rate, by a long shot.  Also, that doesn't mean the 60D doesn't take good wildlife images or Static bird images, just far from the best at BIF. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:05:30 AM »
DxO measures the ability of a lens to deliver a quality image. To whit, the 50/1.8 can deliver a higher quality image for than the 600/4.0. Both lenses can be good lenses and deliver exceptional IQ but it is perfectly ok for one lens (even a cheaper lens) to be better than the other for a given purpose.

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is bad or low quality, similarly, just because something is expensive doesn't make it high quality.

Which is fine, if their 'given purpose' exactly matches your intended use of the lens.  Their 'purpose' is photography in 150 lux illumination - that's warehouse storage lighting, such as this one where 'top men' were not working on a religious artifact...



For that purpose, the crappiest f/1.4 or f/1.8 lens can outscore the best f/4 or f/5.6 lens in existence. 

If you believe that represents a general measure of image quality, you probably think a lens is a camera.  Oh wait, you actually do think that...
Good example!

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Lenses / Re: 16-35 f/2.8II vs 17-40 f/4
« on: June 28, 2013, 11:00:04 AM »
I do a lot of city shots at night, I can tell you that the 17-40 has the best flare control of any lens I've ever used. Both for controlling artifacts and veiling flare. If your looking for resolution mostly, I'd look at the Tokina 16-28. I tried the 16-35 II and found it wasn't as good in contra light as the 17-40 and not as sharp as the Tokina, but it was second best at both.
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I'd look at the Tokina 16-28.
Mine just came in yesterday, virtually worthless at f/2.8 for anything sharp.  Also, focus motor is quite loud.  I can live with that but when focussing from wide to narrow or visa versa, there is almost a grinding sound!  Doesn't sound good at all, I can only picture little pieces of plastic or metal being ground down inside the lens body!  The terrible sharpness at f/2.8 and the grinding noise will win this Tokina a place in the return mail!  I will let them send me a new copy as I noticed the barrel distortion was really slight, even wide open at 16mm.  That part was pretty impressive. 

If the new copy fixes the sharpness issue at f/2.8 and the grinding sound coming from the AF, I'll keep it.  If not, I'll be sending it back and moving toward the Canon ef 16-35 f/2.8 II. 

Also, the Tokina lens is very heavy.  I have a lot of heavy lenses but this one seems very heavy for it's relatively small size... I'll have it mostly on a tripod so that won't matter to much to me...

The vignetting was fairly normal to heavy at f/2.8 but it was extremely minimal at f/4.0 and above.  Very pleased with that.  CA was the same, very well under control...  Hopefully, given the sharpness issue and the grinding, I just got an ill copy...

I can add the filter system to it and still be well under the cost of the EF 16-35mm II

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: June 28, 2013, 10:50:24 AM »
It's been a while since I've posted.  I photographed this egret yesterday at Dana Point, Ca.  5D iii, 100-400 F 4-5.6 @400 mm, ISO 640, F8 @ 1/8000.  Cropped, and that's about it.
Great image Steve!  Thought I was in the 1dx forum for a minute there...  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 70D Spec List
« on: June 28, 2013, 10:48:04 AM »
I suppose the only thing MORE worthless than DxOmark's sensor scores, are their lens scores.  Absolutely worthless.
How can you say that? DXO scores the 50f1.8 higher than the 600f4.0 so it MUST be a better lens........ (Huge sarcasm tag inserted here)

DxO measures the ability of a lens to deliver a quality image. To whit, the 50/1.8 can deliver a higher quality image for than the 600/4.0. Both lenses can be good lenses and deliver exceptional IQ but it is perfectly ok for one lens (even a cheaper lens) to be better than the other for a given purpose.

Just because something is cheap doesn't mean it is bad or low quality, similarly, just because something is expensive doesn't make it high quality.
here, here!  +1

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