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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 02:47:31 PM »
The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience.

Repeating your fallacious argument doesn't make it cogent.
What about an insinuation that drools with repetition?  Does it perhaps make a cogent argument more cogent?

That being said, I think gear matters.  If not, I'd be shooting with my Xsi or my 7D as much as ever.  The fact is however I don't, the XSi is long sold and my 7D sits in solitude not seeing much action these days as the acquisition of my 5D Mk III has moved into a place of more relevance, not as a matter of convenience, as a matter of the gear made a notable difference, hence, the gear matters.  In my instance anyway!  ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:57:37 PM »
I love being devil's advocate.  ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

Fine, but a proper devil's advocate should present a cogent argument...otherwise, you're merely being contrary and argumentative.

Sure, Let's imagine that at said Olympics, your allowed to be anywhere at anytime but the catch is that your only had a 50mm and a 5Dc. Nothing more or less...

Who would get the better shots? The photographer standing in the convienent photo pit with $$$$$ in gear or the photog allowed anywhere at anytime? I'd put my money on the latter.
Could very well depend on their skill level...

I'm assuming that photog's allowed into the olympics have good skill sets.
One would assume, however the one wasn't allowed anywhere at anytime... for who knows why.  I agree with you though!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:56:26 PM »
I think that kind of editing is fine - but you should disclose what edits youve made to those interested. I think something looks wrong with the horizon of the edited pic. Its too soft, though i may not have came to that conclusion if i didnt see the original.
If you're referring to my quick edit, I did use some selective sharpening and unsharpening... Think I mentioned that though...  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:38:19 PM »
I love being devil's advocate.  ;D

The gear doesn't matter, its just a matter of convenience. That's how I feel about equipment.

Fine, but a proper devil's advocate should present a cogent argument...otherwise, you're merely being contrary and argumentative.

Sure, Let's imagine that at said Olympics, your allowed to be anywhere at anytime but the catch is that your only had a 50mm and a 5Dc. Nothing more or less...

Who would get the better shots? The photographer standing in the convienent photo pit with $$$$$ in gear or the photog allowed anywhere at anytime? I'd put my money on the latter.
Could very well depend on their skill level...

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:36:22 PM »
On to your second invalid point, who cares HOW I got the shot?  Secondly, today I am getting far more shots than I did with previous models.  I'm printing way more 8x10's and printing way cleaner files.  Why is this so hard to understand?

I have not met a client who cares HOW I got the shot.  They care that I got the shot.  Do I spray and pray sometimes?  Heck yes I do, because I get more great shots and sell more photos and make more money.  I haven't heard a client go "well your shot is better but you used the spray and pray method and your competitor used 5 fps and used care and patience so we're buying his shot even though it's not quite as good."  I agree with you that you should be skilled in composition and timing, however.

Being a smart photographer is also one who uses equipment that he/she knows how to use to help him/her get the highest quality shots that they can and even the MOST shots that they can.  I bought a 1Dx because I knew it would give me cleaner files and a lot more of them.  Yes I agree I need to know how to use the gear, and have the skill to use the gear, but all else equal (composition, creativity, etc.) it is nothing but the gear that is increasing my quality at this point.  Maybe that will change, but that is the only thing in the last year.
Indeed...  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:34:14 PM »
hard to believe the implications here that becuse someone sprays they are also "just praying", as if a high fps was a crutch that real togs dont' need.
+1 Agreed!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Wrong Photography Ethics?
« on: May 09, 2013, 01:29:24 PM »
I hope this was okay I just wanted to see the difference if adjustments were made as suggested.  I only took about 4 or 5 minutes so I just copied the original and tried adding some global adjustments as suggested, just for giggles...

Cooled the sky added some exposure, subtracted some exposure, saturation and sharpening, leveled the horizon... it's not that terrible but is still the original composition... Idk...  Sky may be a little overdone yet but it seems like good suggestions and doesn't feel like cheating as much as correcting...  I hope it was okay to do this, I wasn't trying to offend anyone.  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:45:49 PM »
A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night. 
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.


You're right.  However, gear still matters.


Not really.

http://petapixel.com/2012/08/07/large-format-sports-photographer-seen-at-olympic-gymnastics/
+1  :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 7D Mark II in 2013? [CR2]
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:43:10 PM »
A photojournalist is looking for a visual narrative in every photo. That takes time, thought, observation, timing, skill and a bit of luck.
Landscapers are looking for the best light, this takes time, thought, observation, timing...and getting one's ass out of bed at inhumane times of the day / night. 
Wildlife photographers are looking for perfect specimines doing interesting things with clear backgrounds. This takes time, thought, observation, timing and patience.
Sports....do I have to go on?
Natutrally there's a host of piccy grabbers who just pray and spray, picking out the successfull chance shots in post production....but that's not skill. Yes 12fps is helpful, but a lot of sports photographers I know still use 5 fps becuase they are good and judging the timing and don't want to fill their cards with time consuming throw aways.

My last wedding, I shot 1127 photographs. An all day shoot of 14 hours. Final edit...down to 537 photos. That's slightly under 50% keepers. A collegue of mine who is a pro football photographer has simular hit rates. A pro landscaper friend of mine has a keeper rate of well over 75%. This pray and spray behaviour supports my previous statement.
I'm still learning and my keeper rate is much lower than that. I wouldn't show even 5 percent of my shots. My reaction time is not fast enough to pick up the ideal wing position of small birds in flight so I have to rely on the camera burst mode. I like the idea of 10 (or more) fps in burst mode and lots of other bird photographers trying to keep up with those damn hummingbird wings seem to rely on the evil "spray and pray". Please tell me, how do I improve my reaction time by a factor of ten or more?
I shot this with my 7D at 8 fps.  My girlfriend shot the same image with her Rebel XSi at around 3.5 fps.  I did  shoot it in a small burst, as did she.

Her images did not have this capture.  She had one with the ball about 10' away from the glove and one with the player coming back down with the glove closed and facing away and the ball almost hitting the grass, yes he missed it... 8 fps made the difference.  For some reason his parents liked this image better...

That being said, I'd have even more difficulty believing that someone can sit there and just take one shot and get this image.  Can it happen, certainly.  Will it happen for you? Unlikely...  Most sports photographers and wildlife shooters are certainly using burst modes.  It's not only that I want a bird in flight with his wings in the down position, I want them in the spread eagle position, the up position or perhaps that last second "all stop" mode when the bird sees a fish in the water at 100' up in the air and gets into that crazy, almost still mode as he looks down at his  quarry. 

Unless you can see what the bird sees or read his mind, you don't get that shot often times on purpose, unless you're just following the subject waiting for that move... and then you miss lots of other great images just waiting for that one. 

I think it's ridiculous to think anyone shooting sports or wildlife photography should put their camera in single shot mode.  That's what the technology is there for, use it... why wouldn't you?  To suggest that it makes you any less of a photographer or that it's somehow evil or wrong is just plain ignorant.  Unless of course you just can't get those shots with a nice burst rate any better than you can with one shot at a time... Then I guess you can say anything about it you want, pushes the attention away from one's self and to one's crappy gear...

Reminds me of the statement that someone put in one of these forums  that we are not a fraction as capable as our cameras.  How ridiculous.  My camera can't snap one photo without me... It's totally incapable without me telling it what to do.. or turning it on... otherwise it just sits wherever I leave it, doing nothing... 12 fps would be great!

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: May 09, 2013, 12:20:04 PM »
A Common Tern landing. This is a resize from the full frame, 60D, ISO200, 1/500 sec, and 400mm at F5.6, shot from a moving canoe..... This was the last frame in a burst before the buffer filled..... my timing was off, but I got lucky.

I'm getting better at this, still have LOTS to learn, and I am enjoying the process.

I would like to thank the members of this forum for all the fantastic advice I have gotten, and the inspiration from seeing pictures from those so much better than myself.
That's a great image Don!  I love bird images with their wings in that "cloak" position!  Great job! ;D

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Show your Bird Portraits
« on: May 07, 2013, 10:47:09 PM »
The hungry heron and the cardinal (who does have feet) ;D
Nice feet on the Cardinal!  Good image of him with his bounty!  The feet turn out to mostly be a "must have", unless you're doing a head study or a 3/4 portrait of a bird.. I lost a local photo contest about 10 years ago, one of the judges told me that the only reason I lost was I didn't have the bird's feet in the photo... Crappiest part about that was, I cropped them out of the original!  Occasionally it'll still happen, not too often though!  I learned that lesson quickly!  ;)

Thanks Ken. I'm learning a lot from you and others here on CR. That cardinal grabs the bread and flies off very quickly. Some shots are OOF or just gets his head, etc. I still want to learn how to do BIF. Ducks sometime fly low and fast over my house and @400mm, I can't find or track them before they are gone. What settings would you put on a 7D to capture BIF? Thanks again for all your comments.
Cheers :)
You're welcome.  Truly the key to catching a lot of great BIF images with the 7d is it's great AF system.  It's not as good as the 5d3 AF system, it's very good though, many thought it to be ground breaking at the time, I was one of them...

Try the AF Expansion mode, it works pretty good to start on as you increase your skill and technique.  Within the menu you can further extrapolate the AF system features.  You can do this in Custom Function III menu.  When you push the menu button on, it will be the next to the last menu to the far right, next to the green star.

From there, go down to C.Fn III: Autofocus/Drive.  After that, I begin right at menu 1; AI Servo Tracking Sensitivity. 
I choose to the mark in between slow and the middle.  You will probably have better luck picking "Slow".  (This doesn't mean that it's slow to pick up the subject your tracking, it means it holds on to it better once it's locked AF and surrounding items won't distract it as much)

Using your rear wheel, the next menu is #2; AI Servo 1st/2nd image priority.   Pick #0, AF Priority/Tracking priority

Next menu, #3; AI Servo Tracking method.  Pick #1, Continuous AF track priority

Next menu #4; Lens drive when AF impossible.  I choose #0, Focus search on.

Next menu #6; Select AF area Select mode.  Check or enable all of them.  You may find that the "spot" AF is off, the little square with a smaller square inside of it, make sure that's checked on, it'll help you with birds in trees behind branches, etc...

Next menu #7; Manual AF pt. Select pattern.  I choose #0, Stops at AF area edges.

#8; VF display illumination.  I pick #0, Auto.

Menu #9; Display all AF points.  I choose #0, Disable

Menu #10; Focus display in AI Servo/MF.  I choose #0, Enable

Menu #11; AF-assist beam firing.  I choose #0, Enable

Menu# 12; Orientation linked AF point.  That's up to you, I select #1, Different AF points.  Personal taste nothing to                     do with BIF...

Menu#13 Mirror lock up, well no I keep that disabled of course unless I'm shooting the moon or lightening or whatever, not for anything else..

Hope that helps with some of your settings for BIF captures with your 7D.  Additionally, depending on your glass, you may want to make sure you have the lens in IS mode II for panning...   Get in the habit of looking for birds that are flying toward you...

In the beginning, just shoot the freaking birds, don't worry if it's their arse, their face, or whatever.  Just keep shooting them and practice keeping your focus as much as possible.  It takes a lot of practice, especially handheld... Learn to adjust your 100-400mm while the bird is on wing... backing off a bit as they get too close so you keep the whole bird in the VF. 

It really does take a lot of practice.  After you get pretty good at getting the images sharp, take a vow not to shoot bird arse anymore.  Even back in my F1 and AE1 film days, I wasted a lot of film on bird butts... With digitial, it's okay, do it for practicing technique.  Like I said, just work on form and getting the bird sharp.  Practice with larger birds like GBH, they fly relatively slow and are gorgeous...

As you improve, I found that I got cleaner, sharper images moving out of AF Expansion mode and more often into Single Point AF mode.  That's me though, I'm certain it's not everyone's experience but I like to work on trying to keep my AF point on or close to their eye or head as much as possible.  Please don't think you can't get clean, sharp images with AF Expansion, you most certainly can.  I just the single point a tad more, although it takes much more effort and often times fewer keepers...

Good luck, let me know what you think of those settings if you decide to try them out...

All the best,
Ken

Oh, I keep my shutter speed fairly high for BIF my F/stop large and my ISO fairly high on the 7D.  You may have good luck starting out in TV with a shutter speed of 1/800th to 1/2500th depending on time of day, with your iso set to Auto or 200-400 iso... it'll likely be a little hit and miss, but TV mode is a great place to start for BIF, unless you've already mastered manual mode... Then run with that.  I shoot mostly in manual.

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Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: May 07, 2013, 09:00:14 PM »
Well I already posted this one earlier in an HDR thread but it also classifies as a landscape so here it is.  My first foray in to both landscapes and HDR.  I need to break out of portraits - too big of a PITA to round up people to shoot and then have to listen to them whine about why they don't like pictures of themselves.  I can do landscapes and scenics anytime I want to.  This was a 5-exposure bracketed shot that was then merged with Photomatix Pro, with additional follow-on processing in Lightroom and Photoshop.  Also my first trip out with the new 24-70 2.8L II lens.


Great job GB!  I saw it in the HDR forum, liked it very much there as well!

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: May 07, 2013, 08:26:48 PM »
You run across the strangest things in the woods!

Looks like the spot they used for one of the early scenes from "Interview with the Vampire" didn't find Tom Cruise in the area did you ??

Good find & good Image as well.
Gary, EML, Thank you both!  I did a B&W rendition that I liked equally as well, perhaps better... gives it a nice creepy feel!

EML, Tom Cruise had already left the building!  LOL!  There are I noticed, two other souls buried in the Mausoleum.  I spied them looking through the glass on the doors..

Hi Krob78, yes I noticed the B& W over at the 5D III Images site, very nice, I agree, it's a lovely Image but the B&W does have the eye, good subject for the B&W treatment, both look excellent, and Good News about Tom Cruise.
:)

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5D MK III Sample Images / Re: 5D MK III Images
« on: May 07, 2013, 08:25:46 PM »
Indeed!  The mansion is quite "run over" these days.  I had no idea there was a mausoleum out in the woods in a tract of land just off the mansion property...  It's pretty interesting, thanks for posting!   :)

Only in Howey-in-the-hills, FL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howey-in-the-Hills,_Florida

You run across the strangest things in the woods!


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Landscape / Re: Post Your Best Landscapes
« on: May 07, 2013, 06:00:38 PM »
I don't know about "best"--how about least worst?   ???

Honestly, I seem to really struggle with landscape photos (I spent a week in Yellowstone and didn't come away with a single one that I thought was any good)--but this one seemed almost not bad, so I thought I'd share and get feedback.
I'm digging it!  I think you should post some more of your almost not bad Yellowstone images!  ;D

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