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I bought a Pro-100 several weeks ago when Adorama had it for $100AR with free paper.  For that price, I thought it would be worthwhile to get some additional control and convenience over my prints.  So far I've made about 30 prints (mostly 8x10) and the indicators still show everything as full.  Does it drop like a cheap car fuel gauge or something? I.e. 300 miles to half tank, 350 miles to 1/4 tank, 10 miles to Empty!

I have a Pro-10 and the ink levels drop fast in my use.

I have some 13 x 19 prints I have done, and those are quite a bit bigger than 4 x 6 or 8 x 10. Could ba a "duh" moment, or maybe I had different expectations.

I think I have done about 10 each 13 x 19 and probably 20 8.5 x 11 and maybe a dozen 4 x 6, and I'm through the starter inks and getting into a 3rd change on some.

The Pro-10 cartridges have an ink volume of 14ml and cost ~$16 each.

The Epson 3800 cartridges have an ink volume of 80ml and cost ~$60 each.

Simply based on volume and OEM ink costs, Canon is $91.42 for 80ml of ink (5.7 Canon cartridges for 80ml). This doesn't account for wasted ink during cartridge replacement. Six cartridges = $96. Both printers don't use the same number of ink cartridges, so a direct comparison is difficult.

There is a print cost comparison at Red River Papers, and the Canon is roughly 2x Epson per print in their testing.

There is an established Epson ink aftermarket too.

So, the smaller cartridges explain why the levels drop fast on bigger prints.

I find the Canon Pro-10 output very nice, but it isn't economical*. It would have been better to figure this out beforehand :)

* inkjet printing isn't "economical", but small ink cartridges don't match well with bigger prints...

Well, I happened upon a gently used Epson 3800 for a fair price. It was local, so I could check it out.

Had to buy some ink, but I'm still in it for less than a 3880 refurb and way less than a new 3880.

Doesn't seem to be too many real life major differences between the 3800 and 3880 based on a quick search.

Network setup (wired) was a bit of a pain. No PnP there. Had to read the manual.

Tried out some prints onto Canon paper, and as long as I pick the right settings, print output looks very, very good.

The choosing the right print settings part is more involved than the Canon Pro-10.

I looked at the 4900, and the net is full of poor reviews. I get it that it is more common to post poor reviews than good ones.

Any particular time to watch for Epson deals, with "Black Friday" and "cyber Monday" distant memories now?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How to spend $3000 now or keep saving?
« on: December 04, 2013, 08:47:34 AM »
My new camera fund has reached $3000, barely enough for a used 1D4 or a new 5D3.  Looking around, I can also get a Sony A7R with 36MP, ISO 25600 and a 24-70 f/4 FF lens.  Or do I keep going and hope to get a lower priced or refurb 1DX for another $5000. I would like a camera for low light stage events.

The part in bold in the quote above points to the 1Dx.

Low light performance of the 1Dx is better than the 5D3 or 1DIV.

Low light performance of the 6D apparently betters the 5D3, but gives up some AF performance parameters. There is a current thread on going from a 5D3 to a 6D here: http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=18417.0

You can use an ISO 25600 file right out of a 1Dx. Can you do that with a Sony (serious question- I have no idea).


* Even when it warns that a cart is low, you keep printing. There's probably a dozen or more 16x20's left in the cart. You can change carts mid-print without affecting the print, so you just keep going until it asks for a new cart.

* Changing a cart does not touch the ink levels in the other carts. Only the changed line is primed. Most ink jets prime every line once a single cart is changed which defeats the whole purpose of individual carts and is a big part of the reason why ink disappears into a void.

The only drawback is that the glossy and matte blacks share a line, so if you change paper types you lose some ink (a few bucks worth). So you need to batch your prints by type. But the printer performs so well...and the carts last so long...that this is hardly worth complaining about.

I have a feeling that the Pro-10 doesn't have "hot swappable" ink tanks.

I have also been wondering if all inks are primed when one tank is replaced. I haven't been able to find any support in the manual yet.

Is there an Epson that shares the strong points outlined in your posting but doesn't require a change of black ink for glossy/matte?

There is no savings printing with the 9000 over taking photos to a lab.

The only reason to use it is convenience and if you want to control the output of your work.
The 9000 gives better results than my local labs. If those reasons do not justify the cost of the ink, take your stuff to a lab and avoid the stress.

Cost wise;
On small prints it will cost you more to use the 9000 than the labs.
Large prints it balances out somewhat.

AND; Stop printing text, it is an incredible waste of money.

Well, I got my Pro-10 because I wanted to print stuff at home, and I picked it up with a rebate, so the price was good. I have been printing non-photo items on a laser printer for a long time.

First few prints were pretty rough with an uncalibrated monitor and no additional adjustments. I didn't get what I saw, so that would have been interesting if I outsourced the print.

I was kind of hoping it would be a wash with compared to farming stuff out, but I'm not sure. I do have oodles of paper now...  :o ::)

Who knows, maybe it will come down to getting rid of it, or limit the size to 4 x 6 (maybe 5 x 7) for proofing and farm out bigger prints. My internet connection sucks, so uploading big files is an issue.

A 4 x 6 print is 24 square inches, 8 x 11 is 88 square inches and a 13 x 19 is 247 square inches. I guess the use of ink makes sense in those terms.

I am pretty sure the PRO-100/10 have an option to disable auto cleaning, suprised the 9000 does not.

What happens when this is disabled? How long can an inkjet printer sit before ink dries up inside?

I found something called "Execute ink quality maintenance automatically" with a checkbox (Pro-10 properties).

The ink appetite has kinda surprised me. It has been almost 10 years since I last owned an inkjet- switched to laser. But I wanted to print stuff at home without going out.

I suppose it is just a matter of time before 3rd party inks come out for this printer...

Has anyone tried one of those Xerox solid ink printers?

1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: December 02, 2013, 02:16:51 PM »
We don't have big cats in my neighbourhood, but this small one jumped at me after running quite rapidly. Shot @f2

The cat photos *are* amazing with a 1DX  ;D

Canon General / Re: TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
« on: December 02, 2013, 09:47:33 AM »

I believe it was because the AF motor was inside the camera body and not in the lens like the EF lenses are now.

Current DSLR Nikon's are backward compatible with all Nikkor lenses but certain bodies (Like the D7000/D7100) can AF older lenses while others cannot. (Like the D5300)

At this point in the game, I think Canon would have a munity on their if they changed the camera lens mount again.  I know I wouldn't stick around.


Interesting. I haven't really researched the AF tech available back then for the FD equipment.

Guess I lucked out choosing an EOS 620 way back when...

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon buy 1, get 4 paper sale on again
« on: December 02, 2013, 09:40:30 AM »
I'm looking forward to the buy 1 get 4 ink deal :)

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Best tablet for on-location preview
« on: December 01, 2013, 08:50:57 PM »

I'll look up the name of the app again buy yes I do remember seeing an app for this

Now that would be awesome.

Canon General / Re: TEN YEARS FROM NOW.
« on: December 01, 2013, 08:30:13 PM »
I'm not certain I can agree that the EOS system is stronger because of Canon's decision to orphan all their previous owners.  Since they felt the need to start with a (mostly) clean slate, they could have chosen the flange distance such that a high quality adapter for the FD mount lenses would have been reasonable (and profitable).  They took a calculated risk that they wouldn't drive all their customers to Nikon (and remember they did hedge their bet by make a very special adapter for those few customers who had invested in the really expensive telephoto lenses), and it paid off.

They tested the waters (unsuccessfully) with their autofocus FD lenses, analyzed the market trajectory, made some strategic decisions, and were eventually proven to have chosen correctly.

But we'll never know what might have been if they had made the decision to make their new design adaptable to their old lenses.  Perhaps they might have been even stronger.  (although then Ed Mika wouldn't be in business)

But given their demonstrated lack of loyalty to the installed base, one has to wonder what 10 years will bring.

I can't imagine the uproar if the same thing was done today... but I suppose it's possible.

I wonder what technical aspects made the 2 systems incompatible.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon buy 1, get 4 paper sale on again
« on: December 01, 2013, 07:57:37 PM »
Promo has been extended to 12/28/2013

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Best tablet for on-location preview
« on: December 01, 2013, 05:42:07 PM »
... the pro is a full laptop which has a pen,and can also turn into a tablet like Waco (sp) for your pc

By this, do you mean it is possible to use a Surface Pro as a touch input device for a PC?

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