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EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 13, 2014, 11:16:07 AM »
The mention that this will be positioned as a Professional APS-C camera is what I hoped for.  I think the Pentax K-3 fits this niche as well.  If the price is attainable, I look forward to replacing my aged XS.

Pentax bodies are loaded full of tech but lack the stable of lenses Canon or Nikon offer.  So I see Pentax users limited to really nerdy brand enthusiasts and I can't blame them -- they make nice bodies.  (for perspective:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ9MsmECULw)

Specifically, pro APS-C shooters are also not likely shooting standard focal lengths as much -- they choose APS-C for length:  sports, wildlife, etc.  So I'd imagine most pros shooting standard FL have made the jump to FF, but I am sure there's an exception or two out there.  But since Pentax lacks a lot of longer FL options, the pro-APS-C scale tips even further in my mind towards Canon / Nikon than Pentax (and Sony).

I'm honestly not being a fanboy here so much as stating a value proposition for shooters.  Canon and Nikon have much more glass to offer, so unless other companies offer mindblowingly better bodies, it's wiser to stay in the ecosystem with more lenses.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 13, 2014, 11:02:20 AM »
So did anyone spot a 7D2 at the Brazil-Croatia game last night ?

I'm afraid for me it is going to retain its mythical status until I see hard evidence......

Did anyone spot any officiating at the Brazil-Croatia game last night?  That game was a farce.

Hello ~
I am a photographer from Taiwan
Can you help me test the star burst (sun star)

I'm sorry, I do not have this lens.  I was just telling everyone that someone does have the lens, and they posted some information about it.

As far as sun stars go, we do know one thing (quoted from http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-16-35mm-f-4-L-IS-USM-Lens.aspx):

"Known is that the 16-35 L IS has 9 rounded aperture blades which will create 18-point stars from specular highlights when very narrow apertures are used."

That's all I know.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 12:03:17 PM »
Quote from: vlim on Today at 08:06:06 AM
With the 70D, you really can make clean photo at 3200 iso so we can expect the same result at 6400 iso for the 7dII.

Right, and pigs can fly :-> ... well, at least if you apply heavy nr you'll have a clean image, though w/o details. Good for shooting doorknobs and brick walls though :-)

That's what I was thinking... but tolerance to grain is a virtue I guess.

I said this because i have pictures taken  with a 70d and 100 macro 2.8 L IS in relatively high iso (2500 - 3200) which are clean without any noise reduction post treatment ;) If not, I wouldn't have said that kind of statement... So yes i do expect a 7dII with clean photos at 6400 iso...

That's like when Kai from DRTV does his high ISO test in broad daylight and declares a m43 camera is still useable at ISO 12,800.   ::)

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 12:00:10 PM »
If it ends up being an action-oriented crop version of the 5DIII, I might buy both of them.  However, if it has some innovative features that the 5DIII lacks (dual pixel, hybrid viewfinder, other video stuff), I might wait for those to move to the 5D series and buy both at that time.

I've said it before - I shoot with a 5D and a 20D, and I love that they are so similar in UI.

Given that the 7D and above are more workhorses than a show ponies, I'd imagine we would not see a hybrid viewfinder, tilty-swiveling screen or touchscreen in this market segment for some time.  I do not expect to see them on the 7D2.  I think all of those things are potential value-add for photogs, but Canon will certainly test out their value, appeal and reliability on lower trimlines like the XXD or Rebels first (rationale: fewer pros in this segment that might be alienated by a 'dud' of a feature).

Keep in mind, the current 7D and 5D3 already share a bit of 'feel' about them -- I have a 5D3 and my friend has a 7D, and they feel about the same in the hand, use the same batteries, etc.  And though my 5D3 has more AF points, the Servo AF tuning system in my 5D3 came straight from his 7D.

So I see the 7D and 5D lines helping each other along on ergonomics, menu system, etc.  In the lesser-discussed-things, one might expect the 7D2 to now get some 5D3 love in the following features:

  • LCD zoom button straight to 1:1 for pixel peeping for focus confirmation like with the 5D3*
  • Similar AF clusters and selection process (on LCD or through the VF) as the 5D3
  • Lockable mode dial (if there is one...)
  • 5D3's sockets for video/audio options

(Not owning a 7D, I don't know if current 7D users already got this in the massive firmware upgrade from some time ago.)

Dual-pixel and 'other video stuff', however, I would expect.  With it's reach and build quality, it could become the wildlife videographer's rig of choice.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 12, 2014, 11:21:15 AM »
Given the potential customer base of those moving from other APS-C models I reckon
It will have

... the interesting question and imho more worth speculating about: What will it *not* have other than no ff sensor?

Knowing Canon, they will take great care not to deliver a "mini 1dx" at 1/3 of the price that even works better for wildlife in good light because of the gain in reach. Will they cripple the fw? Will the video have moire? Way less sealing? Will it have touch-amateur usability?

Your guess: (insert here)

They won't have to nerf it much as it is a different class of camera.  Compared to the 1DX, the 7D2 won't have:

  • As high a burst rate
  • As good low-light performance
  • As good build quailty and weather sealing
  • An integral grip
  • Spot metering at any AF point

Marsu, the first one is probably the only deliberate nerfing they will do, and the second is an APS-C reality that can't be too critical of.  The rest is par for the course for a non-1-series body -- and I don't think 7D users should have expected to get something 1DX-like for those items anyway.

But that's like comparing a Corvette to a Ferrari.  Both are pretty fun to drive, I'd wager.  The 7D2 should be a state of the art APS-C rig and offer the great new sensor that will be blown down the XXD and Rebel lines for the next few years. 

I think a crop 5D3 (or 'action-oriented' 5D3) is far more likely than a crop-sized 1DX.  Other than on the video side of things (which I never use), I'd expect the 7D2 and 5D3 size/build/menus/ergonomics/etc. to be very very very very very similar.  That's a great thing -- as a 5D3 owner, if I got more into shooting sports and wildlife, I'd pick up a 7D2 for more reach, framerate, etc. in a heartbeat if I had the confidence it was similarly well built and as intuitively designed as my 5D3.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 11, 2014, 06:19:16 PM »
But, once cameras became digital, those grips no longer served their original purpose, but still serve as a signature of a "professional". That is why they are there, it is primarily for show and as a status symbol. And caters to the macho idea that for a real man, bigger is better. In a practical modern camera it serves no real function, it is just peacock feathers.

...to you, sir.  To you.

People who live in a high-speed theater of photography (wildlife, sports, etc.) are known to lean on their shutters, max out their buffers, etc.  These are the most discerning people this camera will be made for -- and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they are fond of grips. 

I have a friend who shoots car racing on his 7D and he burns through solo batteries.  He'll rack up thousands of shots over a weekend shoot.  A grip (for him) means less interruptions to shooting, and his camera wouldn't leave his home without the grip attached.

The 7D2 will not have a grip integral to the design.  I am 100% confident of this for the reasons in my earlier message.  But many 7D2 users will want one, and it will be offered as an option.  That's a lock.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 11, 2014, 02:55:30 PM »

The whole point of the crop sensor camera range is to reduce the overall size of the camera for the purposes of increased mobility. That is defeated by putting it into a giant body.

Putting a 7D2 into such a package is insanity IMO.

No doubt professional photographers who are used to the 1D series won't mind, but they are not likely to by a crop sensor to begin with (for the most part).

Let me start by saying, again, that the 7D2 should not have an integral grip if Canon knows what they are doing.

But, having said that, remember why people use APS-C:

1) It is smaller than FF -- smaller bodies and smaller lenses (if optimized for that mount, i.e. EF-S)
2) It is cheaper than FF -- bodies and crop-only lenses are cheaper.
3) It grants 1.6x reach compared to FF as if it were a 1.6x teleconverter but without the teleconverter hit on aperture*, so this is gold for folks who shoot moving things from far away.  (I asterisk this as crop does affect DOF vs. FF but doesn't affect speed of a lens)

Your statement "The whole point of the crop sensor camera range is to reduce the overall size of the camera" applies to Group (1) only.

Group (2) is why so many people own Rebels.  APS-C rigs are at the high-end of the beginners-getting-into-photography camera market but they won't set you back thousands of dollars.

Group (3) devotees are special niche of folks who leverage this oddity about crop sensors for birding, wildlife, and some sports.  These folks intentionally don't migrate to FF for length -- APS-C is a strength to them and not a weakness.  There are pros in this group, guys with large budgets, etc. -- these are folks that can afford (or justify the investment) on most anything that Canon sells.

That third group has been waiting for the 7D2 (and/or the 1D Mark V) forever. 

They will be first in line to get one at nearly any cost.

They are the ones (amongst others) who rack up comical posting counts in this forum.

So, again, I don't think the 7D2 needs an integral grip, but APS-C is not just for size.  Not at all.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 11, 2014, 01:39:46 PM »
WiFi & GPS will be internal. We all figured this one.

This means it will not be a completely mag-alloy body so that they can put an antenna in the body somewhere to receive RF signals.

Or it's all-metal and the two antennae are trapped under the pop-up flash.  You have to pop the flash (a la a submarine communicating by raising the periscope) to use either.   ;D

That would be a riot.

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: A Few EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: June 11, 2014, 01:36:29 PM »
If this is in a 1D body with built in battery grip, I can see a lot of enthusiasts disappointed. When the 80D or 90D comes out, they'll say that is what the 7D2 should have been.

I think there is zero chance of integral grip.  Consider:

  • This is still a cost-sensitive market segment.  Yes, some pro birders/wildlife/sports guys will buy this rig, but there are a ton of enthusiasts in here as well.  Some folks (pros working on the longest end of focal lengths) would pay 1DX money for this body, but the vast majority of 7D2 prospective buyers would scoff at anything above $2,000 I think.
  • Top end APS-C is an upcharge market and not a kitchen-sink-included market.  I'd wager the 7D grip is the highest selling grip Canon sells:  sports / wildlife guys lean on the shutter at events.
  • Despite this, they have an established 7D user base that has not been screaming for an integral grip.
  • Integral grips would mean that many shooters would have to pitch their current camera bags for deeper ones.

All of this says that Canon will highly likely maintain the status quo w.r.t. only 1-Series bodies getting integral grips. 

- A

I can't watch the video where I am but that's a cool find.  Also, on the internal bit moving in and out, many of Canon's lenses do this and Canon always says they need a UV/Protect filter for full weather sealing.  The 16-35 f/2.8 II does this, so it's not a surprise, and I don't think it's a gaping hole to worry about in anything but rain.

It is what it is then.  Despite my needing an ultrawide and the MTF charts looking stellar, I'm renting from LR before I buy this one.  I chose 'first available weekend' and they keep pushing me back as it hasn't arrived yet. 

Can't wait to give this one a go!

- A

Lenses / New EF 16-35mm F/4L IS lens hands-on video and still samples
« on: June 11, 2014, 12:16:02 PM »

FYI for those eager to see the new 16-35 F/4L IS -- a short hands-on video and some sample shots are here:


Most important thing I learned (see 1:30 in the video):

It's internal zooming/focusing if you define that as nothing protrudes past the filter ring of the lens.  But there is no front element that covers the entire lens, so that zooming motion leaves a sliding surface that is exposed to the elements.  If you've shot a 50L, the relationship is similar (but obviously being a prime, that sliding is a focusing motion and not a zooming motion). 

For me, that's technically internal zooming/focusing for length but not for access to dust/moisture;  with (say) a 70-200 lens, that zooming motion is entirely captured behind a front element, which I have to say gives me a little more peace of mind when shooting in the elements.

Yes, normally I would UV or CPL this lens for handheld use anyway, but with an ND grad setup that you use right on the lens, this could be a potential for dust/moisture to get into the lens.  Seaside landscape shooters -- do you care about this?  (I never bought an ultrawide since I moved to FF, so I don't know if this is similar to the 16-35 F/2.8L or 17-40 F/4L and you've been coping with this limitation for a while anyway...)

He also goes on to say IS doesn't do much in wide angles... for video.  [Cue drum fill.]  If it gives me 3-4 more stops of handholdability in low light for my stills, this lens will be golden IMHO.

Links to sample images are here:

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: More EOS 7D Replacement Buzz Going Around [CR2]
« on: June 10, 2014, 07:21:38 PM »
There's one situation where that's not true, though.  Depending on the mix of full-frame and EF-S lenses that you own, some 7D users who decide to upgrade to full-frame might end up selling several of their lenses anyway, not to mention upgrading to lenses with longer focal lengths to make up for the lack of the 1.6x crop factor.
Entirely fair.  Current EF-S mount users choosing between a 6D/5D3 or waiting for a 7D2 absolutely are out there.  But I don't really see that as a Nikon conversion risk.  I see that as a one-time ripping off of the EF-S band-aid that you have to do to migrate to FF regardless of what company's products you use.

I see that less as a "Because I am mad at waiting for Canon" and more of a "Movin' on up (movin' on up) to deeeeluxe apartment in the sky-hiiiiiiigh".   ::)

But yes, you are right.  Leaving crop altogether costs money, well above the cost of the body itself.  This burden varies depending on what you shoot:

  • Best case:  You just have a standard EF-S zoom, like an 18-55 or 18-135 --> You go and get a 'pried-from-a-kit' 24-105L for $750ish or a 28-135 for $475ish.  Ouch, but small change compared to a FF rig. 
    ([Sigh] "Yeah, there's that... But it's worth it.")

  • Slightly painful case:  You have a standard EF-S zoom and an ultrawide --> Same as above, but now you need a 17-40L for $800ish as well.  Painful. But doable. 
    ([Deep breaths] "I can do this...  I'll just get that 17-40L next year.")
  • Really painful case:  You have have a standard EF-S zoom, an ultrawide and a 55-250 and enjoy shooting around 250 on the crop --> Same as above, but now you need a 100-400L as well.  Oof. 
    (The value proposition is starting to take on water rapidly...)

  • You-are-totally-screwed case:  You are a seasoned vet who shoots a 300 or higher prime on your 7D for wildlife or birding.  You have the comically painful choice of settling for the downsides of T/Cs, investing in $10K superteles, or simply not ever making the jump to FF because the glass will bankrupt you for what you shoot.  That's a buckler.
    (Hint to Canon:  You kind of own these people.  The 7D2 could be $4k and these people might still the first in line for pre-orders, b/c $4k is still less than Supertele prices.  Check and mate.) 

Thank goodness I had a succession plan when I bought my third and fourth lenses.  I opted for EF glass long before I made the move to FF and my only headache was doing without a 16-24mm FL option after I migrated (sold the EF-S 10-22 but the 24-70 I owned covered the wide end on FF pretty well).

- A

EOS Bodies / Re: More EOS 7D Replacement Buzz Going Around [CR2]
« on: June 10, 2014, 03:23:26 PM »
Sounds like another ploy by Canon (tm,) to make people think they are close to getting a replacement together so you don't jump ship to Nikon by making you believe the replacement is just around the corner (instead of late 2015)

No.  I'm buying this rumor as it seems to be coinciding with lack of 7D stock at the various resellers.  This is a CR2.5 in my book -- we may not have dates and specifics, but I'd say it will be released by year end with some confidence.

Also, jumping ship out of frustration waiting for a new model is a great windup for some folks but very, very few people actually do it.  An average 7D user today likely has at least three lenses (some have many more) and hopping over to Nikon would represent selling all their stuff at 60-70% value and rebuying it with the other brand.  Swapping in light of that says such a person is an enthusiast who must have the latest thing even at great cost, and that's a bit of a rarity.

I think to get large numbers of pros or enthusiasts (with a lot of present dollars committed) to switch is very, very difficult.  Those folks typically only bail if:

  • Canon's products or services take a fundamental nose dive.  Terrible recalls, poor quality, lengthy service, etc.
  • The competition releases exactly what you were looking for and your company will not do this.  A poor example might be the D800's release, but that didn't really sink Canon so much as build up demand for a similar offering.
  • The competition introduces a game changing innovation for what you shoot and you don't have to completely cross over to use it.  An example would be the Sony A7 line, possibly adapted for use with Canon glass or for landscape work.  You don't have to sell all your gear to give it a real go, so some people have tried it.
  • I can't speak for a photography business/studio, but I'd imagine larger scale buyers might be given healthy incentives to switch brands to 'land' them as future customers.

In light of that, people don't bounce around that much.  So Canon would much rather take baby steps, lovingly dial-in the 7D2, and not release it until it's 100% ready.  And as someone who has enjoyed a completely problem-free 5D3, I agree with that approach completely.  The wait is usually worth it.

- A

So you ordered those Trekpaks, eh?
The prototype looked better than the mass production, unfortunately. Also, at 3 lbs for the smaller Rollipack, I am worried about how much weight that will add. The velcro dividers are supposed to be 1 lb.

Not yet I haven't. 

First:  there is no phone number to call.

Second:  Using their contact web form I asked them a softball question of "can I use those couplers to attach two segments end to end (to make a longer one), and though I'm pretty sure the answer is yes, I've gotten no response in days other than a same-day automailer saying they'd get back to me soon.

Then I saw this:  http://blog.trekpak.com/2013/11/shipment-delay-our-apologies/

Then I saw this:  Nothing ships until July 7th

And then I wondered (a) how badly they wanted my business and (b) if it's Nanuk/Pelican insert time.  (I've spoken to the Pelican customer support folks and they are on top of it -- their products, what goes with what, what my options are, etc.  I'm assuming Nanuk would be similar.)

P@#$es me off as this looks like a stellar idea for a product.  I may wait it out further, as it's the only 30"x20" option I have that won't have repeat walls.  (All the Nanuk/Pelican options involve putting 2-3 inserts in side by side.)

- A

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