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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:29:24 PM »
How many dslrs does Canon have in the lineup as of today?  With the 5D3 coming in at the 2nd from the top, how is that midrange? Oh you mean when compared to MF's costing 5-8x as much? Please look up apples to oranges and try again please.

Flagship is 1DX...5D3 currently costs about ~half of the MSRP... but if it makes you feel good. Please make a bumper sticker :)

P.S. One of the bodies I own is a 5D3 and love it. But I am just calling attention to this lording over those who can't afford the 5D3 at MSRP.

The OP has a point. It is priced officially higher because it can be had for much lower from time to time. Why is this an issue?

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: future of sigma art line
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:19:32 PM »
I am like a cat that dipped its tongue in scalding hot milk with sigma compatibility issues... have been an all Canon outfit for years... it is just possible Sigma turned a corner with the new 35mm, but sorry, Sigma will have to turn a lot more consistent corners before I try that saucer again.

EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:07:25 PM »
Nobody cares whether or not you buy the 5DIII.
Why are you whining on this forum instead of buying the Nikon that you say is a better camera for less money?

+1000 Harsh, hardly. Tired of hearing all the whinning about the cost of equipment... If you can't afford one are you going to die?!?! I want a Ferrari for 20K...boooo hohoohhhhooo.

5D3 is hardly a Ferrari...and owning a 5D3 does not make anyone superior... it is a midrange camera at best. Lets not use it as a status symbol...because it is not. When you own a few Hassys or the multiple supertele's or even the lowly 1DX let us throw that proverbial stone. :)

Let's give the guy a break...he is just venting. Show him when and where the deals exist...cuz they do.

EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:44:47 PM »
Nobody cares whether or not you buy the 5DIII.
Why are you whining on this forum instead of buying the Nikon that you say is a better camera for less money?

Now, now...that is a bit harsh...he is just vocalizing what many hard core Canonites will agree...the initial MSRP is high... as it often is. It has little to do with his Nikon comments.

EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:40:43 PM »
Buy the 5d mark iii with the lens 24-105 from Amazon,...then sell the lens on Craiglist for,.... 750 or 800 and your body will be 2500.
The lens is crap for me but it generates money fast,.... cause a lot of people love it.
For me the f4 stop, strong purple hazing and pronounced distortion make it impossible to like.
Any person which is not dead center of picture, has egg shaped head,...i feel like a cannibal....want to eat them.

Good luck.

I was with you till you went off on the 24-105L tangent. :) May be you have a bad copy or you just don't happen to like it....which happens. It is a well loved lens for a reason. I love mine.

But I think the suggestion to sell it if you don't like it is a good one.

Except, many of us simply may not have the disipline it takes to get rid of lenses once my case the only exceptions have been a couple of expensive lenses where inaction was not an option. There are old lenses that still linger in my collection.

EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 07:25:07 PM »
There were several sales in the $2500 to $2750 range already. These are clearly is a wink-wink-nod-nod understanding between retailers and Canon, as even authorized dealers got in the game via ebay. This is how the companies manage price drops from initial high pricing which targets early adoptors who will pay a premium.

I think 5DIII will gradually settle down in the ~$2750. You will have periodic firesales at deeper savings like the one we saw couple of months back for $2500 or smaller rebates at $2800....but it is clear where it is headed.

However, once it hits the stable $2500 mark, I don't think further reduction should be expected until few months before the end of cycle for the body.

5D3 sales for ~$2500 have happened already and are bound to happen again. Just get one then.

EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 04, 2013, 06:58:52 PM »

Ok, so here's the thing about trying to justify gear purchase.  Just don't do it.  Instead, pick any feature of a piece of gear and arbitrarily define that feature as a necessity for a particular near-term purpose... after a few days or weeks you will start to integrate that thought into your conscious and subconscious mind and, voila, you no longer need to "justify" anything because it's a necessity.  I have plenty of gear I rarely use but I don't regret a single purchase because they were and are necessities.  Most recently it was necessary that I purchase a 5D3 and 24-70mm f/2.8 II.  And so I did.  I now have a 5D2 and a 7D that I rarely use but I'm glad to have them because they are necessary.  When the 7D2 comes along I will buy that too.  And my 5D2 will be the backup for the 5D3 and the 7D will be the backup for the 7D2.  See, it's awesome.  Enjoy.

Edit... I'm kidding.  Kind of.

LOL. How true... ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 04, 2013, 04:21:48 PM »
Not really to hijack this thread too badly, but thought I'd ask a somewhat related question.

What's the opinion of buying the 6D as a second camera to the 5D3?  For wedding or other shoots when you really need to have a backup camera? 6D or get an older used 5D2?


Single card slot on 6D is a bummer if you like that extra insurance of dual slots. I guess as a second body 6D should be ok given the wifi capabilities, though I have no idea how fast this would be as an instant backup.

More interesting is the ability to control the second 6D body with a different vantage point via smartphone apps remotely.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: New MFA method
« on: February 04, 2013, 03:50:43 PM »
However...the great thing about FoCal isn't just the automation, but the fact that it's automated.

I use and like FoCal...but it is not fully automated with either 1DX or 5D3.  "Change to -20, or +20, +10, -10, etc etc" is not exactly automation...and FoCal puts it on Cannon and I am sure Canon has no interest in making it easy for FoCal. Still, it is a great program.

But the approach in this post looks interesting.

I doubt you will find a good 6D used at a reasonal price this early after release. 5Dc is a wonderful classic, but unless you owned it already, there is litte reason to go seek it out and buy it now at any is, in all fairness, dated now.

5D2 seems to be the consensus suggestion...get a 50mm f1.4 or even f1.8 II or a shorty-forty and you can start your merry journey on the FF path without sinking more money right away on major lens purchases. All three of these lenses will keep you generating quality pics on 5D2 for a good while.

Lenses are best added in stages to your collection as you get out and about with a new format...ideally not planned on paper and bought in bulk at the begining even if you have the money. Happy shooting!

As for reach, extenders are getting better and better. Yes, probably there is a smidge of IQ trade off, but I am sure that also happens when they squeeze 22 Kazillion pixels into an APS-C sensor.

You are preaching to the Choir, bro.   I agree FF is the future. Crops were stop-gaps.

EOS Bodies / Re: on the verge of buying, just need some final moral support
« on: February 04, 2013, 01:49:51 PM »
While a camera body is never an "investment" (lenses are more so), I feel 5D3 is likely to hold its value better.

Given only a few hundred dollars seperate it from 6D, 5D3 may keep you growing for longer in the FF world.

As RLphoto said, waiting is always an option. But only you can assess the balance between waiting, value, and your photographic needs. A standing recommendation is to never buy something that you cannot comfortably afford. The fact you are considering an FF, however, suggests you may be within striking range. Good luck!

Lenses / Re: Resistance to Larger Filter Size, Kills Great Lenses?
« on: February 03, 2013, 12:25:48 PM »
This thread is just silly.  There is no reason whatsoever for a 24-70/2.8 IS to have or need a larger front element than a 24-70/2.8 non-IS.

Also, some of the posts give the impression that a front elelement over 90mm is a done deal and build further on that soft-cheese foundation.  I think the 72mm, 77mm, and 82mm filters (and the legacy smaller sizes) will be the consumer L lens range for many years to come.

Site Information / Re: Moderators: You are Too Sensitive
« on: February 03, 2013, 12:00:49 PM »
I visit this forum to become a better photographer - not to be subjected to the "the internet is a big free-for-all, get lost if you don't like me" movement. And that is not even considering that such behaviour is not just brutally offensive, but also inherently contradictory.

+1   Amen!

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