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Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 10, 2013, 11:40:21 PM »
Thanks again for all of the input.  I'm aware that things could become awkward or affect our neighborly relationship.  I will not only be up front with how I want to keep things cordial but also what I expect for her to gain or not.  As for knocking boots, well LOL!!  (I honestly thought about that too.  It's just a fact of life.)  That's extremely unlikely unless there is a side of her I know nothing about!  She's not really my type unless again, there is a side I know nothing about.

Anyway, keep the advice coming.  I appreciate it!

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 08, 2013, 01:57:38 PM »
Thanks Alex!  Yeah, I'll see how it goes.

I guess at some point I should learn something about photography myself and stop faking it like I've been doing for the past few years.  Know what I mean, LOL?!  I mean, should I teach her how to get it right in camera or just teach how to fix it in post???   ;D  After some shoots, I look at my pictures and I wonder if I know anything at all!!  Thank God for the occasional picture that I'm actually proud of!!

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 100mm f/2.8L Macro IS USM
« on: November 08, 2013, 11:45:54 AM »
Does this well also, very versatile Lens.

Shot Komodo National Park Indonesia

Awesome explosion of color.  This lens has been in my bag the second longest of my current collection, and won't be going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

I've been considering this lens for years.  Or the non-L version.  From everything I've read, it seems there are a lot of folks that prefer the non-L because it is as sharp or sharper and the non-L supposedly focuses faster.  What are your thoughts Dustin?  I assume you are using this on the 6D.  I realize some bodies focus better/faster with some lens over others.  Do you find yourself waiting to focus this lens?  Does the IS make that big of a different during walk around?  (I realize IS is useless on a tripod when one would be doing actual macro work.)  I typically prefer L lenses over standard EF but the EF lenses I do have I love.  The 28 f/1.8 USM and the 15mm f/2.8 FishEye are prime (lol) examples of this.  Thanks!!

Canon EF Prime Lenses / Re: Canon EF 500mm f/4L IS USM
« on: November 08, 2013, 11:38:01 AM »
OK, all of these shots made with the 500mm f/4 are amazing and spectacular.  Very captivating!  Thank you for sharing!  :D

Thanks also for creating more desire for yet another expensive L lens that I shouldn't spend the money for!   Aaargh!!  >:(

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 08, 2013, 11:29:22 AM »
I'd say to send her to a local store offering classes (free or otherwise). I lecture a lot and do teach advanced studio photography, but I don't teach beginners. It'll keep your neighborly friendship, your own headaches down, and she'll be amongst her "peers" at the same level of knowledge so that they can bounce ideas off each other freely with the guidance of a structured method to learn.

As she gets more "advanced" and familiar with the craft, then you could always step in and give advice, critiques, etc. Once she has the basics down, then if you were to take her out on a shoot to work on something specific, i.e fill flash, composition, etc. it would be much easier.

Excellent advice, take it.

Remember always, "No good turn goes unpunished", you have a good relationship with your neighbour, getting in boots and all has the disadvantage of changing that relationship, that may not be what you want in the long run.

If you decide to go Boots and all, do it without charging, money will almost surely soar the relationship, almost always does.

Wow, I wish I had a nickel for every time I said, "No good turn goes unpunished."  I totally understand!  I appreciate the concern and I plan to tread lightly and spend most of my time listening and letting her come to me.  I won't be surprised if after a month or so she loses interest.  If so, fine.  If the opposite happens, I'll take it slow and try to observe how much she learns on her own to gauge her true commitment.  That's why I want to loan her a DSLR for a bit and let the infatuation wear off and see if she is still into it.

Funny how much talking about beginning a photography hobby sounds like some kind of serious relationship, eh?

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 08, 2013, 11:23:37 AM »
I'd try to  teach her depth  of field  first with a  fast prime  only adjusting the aperture.   then I  would move closer and further away from the subject and affect depth of field that way...  then finally I would  get a zoom with a constant aperture and change the focal length only...

 then I'd say...  go forth and learn to use a tripod.

Great advice, Thanks!

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 07, 2013, 05:15:29 PM »
I just tell anyone to keep on taking photos and not stop, that's how I learned, went to a class back in high school and learnt all the basics but nothing retained and my photography was unaltered. I began taking interest more later, finding photos that I liked and tried to recreate them, eventually shooting subjects in styles I liked. The needed basics for exposure and settings catch up, then after that, understanding of different cameras and lenses and all the wonders of lighting.
I went to a photography course in University as well, right when I was getting into wedding photography and portraiture, but oh goodness it was a joke, of course all the 101 basics I already knew already, but the instructor was reading out of a  textbook just covering all these technical things, even though he talks about his glory days of shooting dozens of weddings. Rule of thirds and interesting subject matter to photograph were covered, but I felt that if I were learning photography from start right there then I wouldn't have learnt anything or improve in it.

Ultimately with anything, self interest and persistent continued effort will lead to success in learning.
Also the two photography teachers I've had in classes NEVER showed any of their own work, only what they found on the internet, so bringing credibility and as a show of experience/knowledge it's good to show your own photos for examples.

I've gone about with people that were interested in photography and just walk through town and take photos of stuff and people, I help them out if they want to take something a certain way, and give (hopefully) useful comments on what I think could work good, or maybe the photo is already good and just let them know that. Sharing and talking about each others photos, what you/others like is important experience for growing, while criticizing too much is often harmful because photography is an art form, and unless someone wants to go pro for a certain field, they just need time, and with a lot of shooting will get to a style and perspective they can feel confident about.

I've taught myself most of what I know in life along with the help of others.  However, when I was in college majoring in Engineering back in the early '90's, I took an elective Photography class already knowing the technical stuff.  Good ole Ae-1 and a free Darkroom!!  Plus the darkroom I set up at home with a professional friend's extra enlarger and other darkroom equipment.  I figured it would be a fun and easy blow off A.  Not so!  I spent as much time on that one elective as I did on all of my other majors classes!!  (I was a 2nd semester Junior at the time.)  The class was taught from an art perspective and concentrated on composition, style, etc etc.  Miles away from what I was good at.  I could make a good exposure.  Otherwise, it really challenged me and the teacher wouldn't cut me any slack!  (He was determined to develop some art perspective in my technically minded ass.)  So while all the other students struggled to understand ISO, f-stops and shutter speed, the instructor rode my ass on the art stuff since I could already use the camera with ease.  I would ACE the exams but he graded me hard on the subjective photo projects we turned in.  I still got an A in the class but I had to work my ass off for it!  I'll never forget it.

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:28:02 PM »
Thanks to everyone so far for the feedback.  I appreciate it.  Keep it coming!   :D

Canon General / Re: How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 07, 2013, 04:08:59 PM »
I would not charge anything, just advise them that most camera stores offer free classes for people buying DSLR's.
Charging a friend and neighbor can lead to disagreements and trouble, I'd do it for free or help them decide what type of equipment they want.  That's the real important part. 
I have bought lots of almost unused DSLR's bought by those who found them too complicated to use, and then put them up on Craigslist after a year or two.  Many of them thought they would get better images than their P&S, and instead were disappointed that everything in the image was not in sharp focus like it is with a P&S.  That's important for a new buyer to understand, the shallow depth of field from a DSLR requires that you set the aperture and distance / focal length to get a deep depth of field.

Thanks for the insight, Mt. Spokane.  I wasn't planning on charging anything.  I totally agree on the DSLRs on Craigslist!

Canon General / How to teach a friend Photography...
« on: November 06, 2013, 11:16:04 PM »
I think this will be a fun thread.  I thought I would throw this out there and see what everyone thinks...

-  Neighbor wants to learn photography and wonders if I will teach her.
-  I'm an experienced technical instructor, just need to decide what will work for her.
-  Neighbor is a mom of foreign origin whose son is also in our scout troop.
-  She eventually wants to buy some good equipment and learn to take good images.

I have plenty of equipment similar to most of the CR gang.  My plan was to loan her a basic DSLR, (like a Rebel or a 30D) with a basic kit lens and flash along with a few good books and let her get her feet wet.  Then loan another camera (like a 5Dc or something different), different lens, maybe a prime and let her experiment some more.  Demonstrate the fact that she can get good pictures with any camera if she develops good technique, etc.  Along the way answering questions and then teach more later after she is more familiar with what to ask.

Cart before the horse or the chicken and the egg:  I think that many folks go out and buy a ton of gear, mess with it for a while and then get discouraged because it isn't what they expect.  It isn't that fulfilling.  My goal is to first see if she truly enjoys taking pictures before she invests in gear or gets turned off by trying to formally  "learn" photography.  Actually taking pictures is the most important part and often that is the part people learn they don't really prefer after all.  Or, by actually taking pictures one tends to be motivated to learn on their own why or why not a picture worked and get the spark, the itch to keep going.  One also starts to discover what kind of pictures they like to take and how they like to go about it.  How many of us have said that if they could have known some period of time earlier what they knew later, how they would change their initial purchases, etc.  By loaning her a camera for while, I hope to give her the ability to make a better purchase later that suits the style she develops.

So, what are the thoughts of CR members that have some experience with this scenario or teaching in general?  Keep in mind that I'm not new to teaching but since this isn't an official classroom type thing, I figure I would try another approach.  It's more of a private tutor kind of thing I guess.  The more good ideas I get here, the better!  Thanks.

Software & Accessories / Re: The 10 Essentials for Your Camera Bag
« on: November 06, 2013, 12:28:47 PM »
Half the stuff already mention plus a few strong, releasable cable ties.
I actually have those rattling around in the bottom of most of my bags, so I guess that's #11

You might want to consider toilet paper.   Not photography related, but some comforts of home can't be beaten!
Good idea, as the Zeiss wipes can be a little small ;)

A basic Silva-type protractor compass is very handy when you're trying to work out timings and angles for the sun when you're shooting outdoors, and it doesn't take up much space.
Good one, though I never get lost - LOL ;D

7. a few Polarizers (B+W)
8. a few ND filters (B+W, Lee and SingRay)
9. a few ND grad filters (Lee)
10. Gerber tool
11. small water-level
12. Datacolor Spyder Cube
I take polarizers with me over 90% of the time, and grads most times.  I have a Gerber tool in my car, and take a snake bite and first aid kit me most of the time I'm outdoors.  I have lost many of those levels, but fortunately my 5DIII makes them obsolete, except for critical applications.  I still have one for my 5DII, though.

Also, do you find yourself using the Spyder Cube much?  I've often considered getting one for my studio, but don't know if I would use it enough.

Please throw away the snake bite kit.  Snake Bite kits are outdated and will cause more harm than good.  There are many sources for information about this but they all agree that trying to remove the snake venom is a pointless waste of time and is not advised.  Call 911, treat the bite like a puncture wound, keep it below heart level, sit down, lower your heart rate and get to a hospital ASAP.

What would be better to keep with you when you are outdoors often and away from a hospital would be a Eppi-Pen in case you or someone else is stung and goes into anaphylactic shock.  Or at the very least keep Benadryl handy.

Software & Accessories / Re: The 10 Essentials for Your Camera Bag
« on: November 05, 2013, 11:16:50 PM »
You might want to consider toilet paper.   Not photography related, but some comforts of home can't be beaten!


Comforts of home are comfy wet wipes!  Those are in the fanny pack along with tissues, etc.  The fanny pack contents are a whole other list.   ;)

I use a 30" Dell Ultrasharp but I used the cheaper 24" version for years and years. They're pretty cheap now.

Way to go RL!  We think alike.  I've used my U2410 for years and still love it.  It can be purchased here now for a 1/3 of what I paid when I got mine at a discount years ago.

Wonderful high quality monitor that is built like a tank and renders beautiful consistent images.

U2410 - "Refurbished" for $230 - A Steal!

Software & Accessories / Re: The 10 Essentials for Your Camera Bag
« on: November 05, 2013, 08:09:44 PM »
What are your 10 Camera Bag Essentials you carry to every shoot (well at least when you take a camera bag)?

I don't carry any of this stuff.  Just my camera and some condoms.   ;D
If I don't carry a bag, I don't carry much if any of that stuff, either.  Also, if the condom is for waterproofing, you must have a some pretty small lens ;)

OMG, if you saw all the crap I carry with me, it would blow your mind.  But most of it stays in a trunk in the car.  In reality, I carry quite a bit of "trail necessities" in a North Face Fanny Pack.  All the misc hiking necessities like 1st Aid kit, compass, head light, bright flashlight, etc etc etc etc.  Then I have a few things like mem cards, batteries, etc in my cargo pants.  Finally, I have a basic cheap daypack (won't draw attention to me carrying camera gear) with a couple lens cases with extra lenses, lens cloths, filters/polarizers, misc tools, rain gear, baseball cap and large Tilly wide brim sun hat, etc.  The only thing that causes me to carry an actual top loader camera case is when I carry the 70-200 f/2.8 monster lens which takes up an enormous amount of room.  Fortunately, I don't walk around with that lens too much on campouts or summer camps.  Finally, I always have a Nalgene full of water tucked somewhere, either hanging or in a side pocket of the daypack.

Something else that stays with me all the time... Large carabiners and a bungee cord.  These are used to hang my daypack and/or camera from a high place, a tree, under an overhang, whatever when I stop for a while.  It keeps it away from all the scouts running around, it won't get knocked over, spilled on or otherwise damaged.  I cover it to keep it dry if necc.  It's always within eyesight and since I'm at private scout camps, I don't have to worry much about theft since it's usually just us anyway.  In public places I have to be a bit more creative or careful.

Garbage compactor bags are a good idea but another good idea is TyVek.  If you can get a good sized piece, wash it a few times to soften it, it's super durable and comfortable + easy to fold and pack and it's super light.

Software & Accessories / Re: Portable Storage Backup?
« on: November 05, 2013, 07:52:55 PM »
I use one similar to this one from NEXTO.  Never failed me. Simple and works fast.  Don't make it too complicated.  All the ones with tiny displays are a waste of time & money.  The displays are terrible and you'll likely never use it anyway.  It's a backup device, not a viewer.  If you want a viewer, take a netbook or something.

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