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If you want to see an accurate picture of the overall market (not broken out by manufacturer) then the CIPA data is the most accurate. GfK provide data that the manufacturers buy, the Sony Rumors data I would take with a pinch of salt.
I also support the notion that CIPA stats are the best. But I don't see them contradicting to the above mentioned data.

I found this good article and wanted to share it.

EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: How many mp do you want anyway?
« on: January 31, 2015, 06:11:34 AM »
When I would scan my Velvia on a good film scanner I would get files that are about 30 MP in size.
How much of that 30 mp is emulsion grain ?
Good point

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Lineup Restructuring?
« on: January 31, 2015, 06:10:17 AM »
The 6D2, will move down market in terms of price and build quality. It is not quite down to "super rebel" standards yet. I think there is a large market for a bare-bones full frame model that can entice people to move up from crop. Current 6D prices are pretty good, but maybe Canon can get the next model even lower? They would be silly not to give it a Rebel form factor with the articulating touch screen. A near $1000 FF model like this would fly off the shelves.

Did you forgot about this?

Aside from that. DSLR segment is shrinking and the trend will stay that way for sure until 2020 (sensors):

Taken from here

Also check this trend

I don't like this whole thing with Canon new-good-old-segmentation SPORT vs STUDIO, but hey they've gotta make some profits. More than 60% of their business is related to cameras so to speak. And its market is quite shrinking and competitive.

EOS Bodies / Re: POLL: How many mp do you want anyway?
« on: January 31, 2015, 05:54:06 AM »
IMO it all depends on the pictures you make. Fashion-wise it has quite to offer. Although it all depends on the price tag.

After all the Pentax 645Z with its $8500 is a good rival and most importantly with its 200k ISO and its 51.4MP Medium Format APS-C CMOS sensor is quite the rival.

In the end aside from the price the little things will be the arguments to decide.
Factors like:

  • focus speed and usability
  • FPS
  • image quality
  • number of memory slots

After all this also very hard to compare due to the glass as well. But I am very more excited about this little monster and its MPs than for the 5Ds FF pixels.

Back to the question: IMO yes 50 MPs are a sweet deal even if used seldomly but ONLY if in bundle with sensitivity and other regular features.

After I read this poll in the Sony Rumors site about Canon becoming again a serious threat for Sony? I saw this article.

Mirrorless shares in Japan during the last 12 months.


with more comments from here

Having in mind the following I decided to ask the Canon users. What do you think?
...  some Canon Financial Results 2014 and two additional summaries.  First one & Second one

I left the poll open for modifications (if I managed to do it properly). Feel free to add options and comments are welcomed. :-)

EOS Bodies / Re: Colou
« on: January 30, 2015, 09:35:55 AM »
"As one example, the selection of a CFA, the color pattern put in front of the sensor, is a choice between quality of color, and ISO performance. If the CFA allows each pixel to see a broader spectrum of color (e.g. for the green pixels to see a bit further into yellow) a camera’s ISO range can be modestly increased. The resulting loss in color quality is subtle – subtle variations in color are missed and a handful of specific colors become difficult to photograph. In a market where a ISO 25,600 camera has a leg up on a ISO12,800 camera, the engineers are under enormous pressure to pick the modestly increased ISO over subtle color quality."
Thanks for the INFO. But that did NOT in any way answer my question. I suppose most people here are clear that High ISO means low DR When you split in three RGB Monochrome signals it is more than clear that with high ISO you get not so nice images.

And yet my question was related to: "colour that actually eye perception is UNABLE to differentiate?"

EOS Bodies / Colou
« on: January 30, 2015, 09:25:18 AM »
Can't wait to see sample images and sensitivity comparisons...

That's really interesting. A claimed advantage of medium format digital cameras have been that they have color-optimized CFAs rather than high ISO, it would be awesome if this sensor has taken the same type of optimization.

I think a 50 megapixel camera for sure should be optimized at high resolution use cases, rather than trying to be a hand-held low light action camera.
  Actually NO! The trend with MF is to optimize the ISO availability ;-)

A plea to the more knowledgeable people here:
Could you please enlighten me why Canon is going for colour that actually eye perception is UNABLE to differentiate? Or I misunderstood it?

EOS Bodies / Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: January 29, 2015, 04:30:27 PM »
Interesting. Could be one of the many reasons for the restared High MP competition:

Olympus OM-D E-M5II Specs
Magnesium alloy body
Dust and water resistant
16MP sensor
40MP Hi-Res composite from 8 shots at 0.5 pixel step

However,  I suspect that the person referenced is just seeking to help defray the costs of managing a site and trying to cover the costs of one's time is not trivial for some of these sites. A few make a career of it (and when the quality of the content is of value, deserve compensation, e.g. this site or the digital picture.)
Even if that is the case - Hosting and similar Cost. Is there a backdoor for that? Otherwise if not officially stated the editorial of such a website/blog/vlog could be considered as pure hobby ergo all costs are not to be considered?

EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: January 29, 2015, 04:17:35 PM »
More than 45 days after the last topic post I am revisiting especially for our beloved Jrista in order to update it with some Canon Financial Results 2014 and two additional summaries.  First one & Second one

In short:


Within the Imaging System Business Unit, although sales volume of interchangeable-lens digital cameras declined owing to the shrinking market—in Japan as a result of the reaction following the rush in demand prior to the consumption tax increase, and in Europe and other markets due to worsening economic conditions—the advanced-amateur-model EOS 7D Mark II achieved healthy growth, enabling Canon to maintain the market’s top share.


As for the digital camera market, although projections indicate continued market contraction mainly for low-priced compact models, demand for interchangeable-lens digital cameras is expected to recover gradually.

And the most interesting part

As for the industrial equipment market, with manufacturers expected to continue making capital outlays for semiconductor lithography equipment in response to increasing demand for memory devices and image sensors, demand is expected to remain at the same level as the previous year. And as for FPD lithography equipment, demand is projected to increase as device manufacturers boost capital investment amid growing panel demand projected for 4K televisions and mobile devices. 

Would that mean update of the old 0.5 tech? As well as using the SONY systems or CANON own 5 layer CMOS? ;-)

2015 - good times!

Imaging System
2015 - 1,399,000
2014 - 1,343,194
2013 - 1,448,938

Business share of Imaging systems:
2015 - 64 %
2014 - 64 %
2013 - 67 %

R&D EXPENDITURE (based on constant 8.2% of sales) in Millions of yen

2015 - N/A out of 320,000!!!
2014 - 84,377 out of 308,979
2013 - 87,510 out of 306,324

EOS Bodies / Re: Sony Sensors Coming to Canon DSLRs? [CR1]
« on: January 29, 2015, 02:57:26 PM »
That means that they would have to use DIGIC CPUs sensors with DPAF (CANON sensor tech). That means they can't be SONY.

Considering that phase detect on the imaging sensor is something just about every manufacturer does that's quite a bold statement.
Phase detect - yes. DualPixel Auto Focus however as concept has been made by ONLY one vendor of 4/3 camera.... I believe it was Fujitsu... not sure about the name.

Maybe I'm just naive, but who makes RED's sensors, and why doesn't Canon go to them over Sony? The RED Dragon at roughly APS-H size beat out the full-frame Nikon d-810, according to ::cough:: dxomark.  Anyone know, does Sony make RED's sensors too?

The vendor is CMOSIS ;-)

EOS Bodies / Re: A Sony & Canon Sensor Partnership Mentioned Again [CR1]
« on: January 29, 2015, 02:48:04 PM »
I reckon that in a previous topic I've pinpointed exactly that problem:
...And I wonder how do you make a home-grown in-house tech go out to you competitors to produce it? Or you just don't - and that makes you look like everybody else.

If this turns out to be true - then it makes sense. Sony obtains DAF and Canon makes a big comeback.

Combine that with already high ISO capabilities achieved by both vendors and you get a better Noise levels thanks to downsampling, right? Or am I wrong about the noise?

There however still seems to be missing one part of the puzzle:
One shouldn't expect Dual Pixel sensors manufactured by Sony. No way.
So probably Canon will manufacture most of their FF bodies with own, home-manufactured  sensors and use only Sony sensor for a special high quality (DR, high resolution) body. That makes a lot of sense because high resolution Dual Pixel FF sensor (being effectively 2 x 46 MPix sensor) would generate enormous stream of data  that would need processing not only for stills but also video (scaling, denoising etc.) and AF (dual pixel, CDAF).
.... You said it all by yourself:
... would generate enormous stream of data  that would need processing not only for stills but also video...
That means that they would have to use DIGIC CPUs sensors with DPAF (CANON sensor tech). That means they can't be SONY.

Additionally where will be situated the the downstream amplifier(s) (secondary outside of the sensor amplifier - thanks Jrista for the clarification). If on the CMOS sensor DxO low-evaluation-of-CANON-sensors-trend will change drastically. AFAIK it is because of them CANON is always behind SONYKON.

I believe all amplifiers with SONY are on the CMOS and with CANON are not. How will they merge that logic. Complete change of logic on one or both of vendors' proprietary  DSP (digital signal processor). In Canon that means DIGIC 7S (s - for Sony sensors).

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