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According to these samples, I must say that it seems to me the best APS-C image currently. :o :)

OMG!! Canon actually did that. ::)  Must be some very angry haters out there now.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark 2 Preorders "sound off"
« on: October 23, 2014, 11:12:08 PM »
I’ve decided I'm ready to purchase the 7D MK II as a second camera; paired with my 5D MK III.  What I don't want to get stuck in as a pre-order and not receive it Oct 31st. There's so many vendors selling it and yes, they'll promise it to you to get the sale.  Does it make sense to order from Canon direct, with free overnight shipping instead or wait and buy it at your local store?  We only have Best Buy and I doubt if they sell the body alone. I know it's probably late in the game to preorder, what is the best way to have the 7D MK II in hand on Oct 31?

Find someone who just got his on Oct 31 and buy it off of him, I think.  I truly doubt you will be able to get one by walking into a store or placing a preorder now.

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LOL - Love part of this - "I was shooting running horses and maybe 3 out of 300 images were out of focus"

Now can't wait to see the Tony Northrup review...

"to test the sports AF capabilities, we will shoot my GF walking towards me... The 7D MK II only performed so so getting 6 out of 10 images in focus" 

ROFLMAO


That AF test still bothers the hell out of me.  I have no trouble believing that the D810 can track better than the 5D3 in that scenario as Nikon seems to have gone all out with the AF on the D810 and now D750, but that the 5D3 was only hitting 60% makes no sense.

Too me it comes down to one of two things - Incompetence or dishonesty.

He either did not know how to use the camera or he was dishonest.  40% OOF is really bad especially for the type of shooting he was doing.

The 6 OOF of 10 was a swipe at Tony Northrup.  Apparently he has a tendency to shoot OOF shots with any piece of equipment.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: ISO 160 vs. 100
« on: October 23, 2014, 11:16:50 AM »
I liked the bloggers conclusions.  ETTR and then ITTR to get you best results all without blowing out your highlights of course.

Isn't that what most folks advocate when you first learn how to use a digital camera?

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Yet another thing that makes me scratch my head on how some people get / keep jobs.

First and Foremost - Again my biggest gripe with reviews - Understanding the target audience - who is the camera designed / aimed for and does it meet those needs.

To me at least, the 7D MK II is aimed at sports photographers and wildlife - this means a little reach (crop) decent ISO (It is APS-C), Sick Autofocus

1)  Her first gripe is the AF Mode lever on the back - WHAT??? I used Expanded AF Area a lot as well, but am constantly switching zones and modes when shooting sports.  It is about control and sometimes I want the focus on a subject in a specific area and am creatively using DOF to the picture.   I cannot understand how a sports photographer does not want more control, especially in a sport like football where a player may break in front of you and take away the focus you want.

To me at least, this lever is a GOD SEND and in a place that will not bother me.  If Anything, I think the placement is genius.

2)  Her major gripe - no Audio tagging of images.  How many cameras do this?  1Dx, D3?  A nice feature but seriously

3)  Love the Duplicity - Crop sensor a plus for reach - crop sensor a negative for image feel.  Who is the target audience?  Seriously.  People by crop sensors (at least my opinion) for a price break, both in the sensors appear cheaper and they gain more reaches with their lenses.  Comparing the 7D to the 1Dx again... I would take the 1Dx in a heartbeat.

4)  Lack of analysis on the AF.  Then again, not surprised given she only shoots in one mode and does not switch.  The 7D MK II seems to be up their with the 1Dx in terms of AF features and capabilities.  The fact that limited tracking analysis was done as well as little digging into the modes immediately shows her naivety.

And seriously.  If you time some of the holiday sales right, you could wind up with a Sigma 150-600 and a 7D MK II for the price a little more than a 5D MKIII

That is in essence a 240-960 with Crazy AF performance.

One thing I would be interested in is if Sigma will be upgrading their TeleConverters as well.  A 1.4X or 2X with this combo will likely be MF only, but that is then a 480 - 1920mm

To try and compare the 7D MK II to a 1Dx is folly. 

Then again, if you want to bring dollars into the equation and spend $7500 of lenses and bodies, which will give you more?

Great takes on her review.  I have to agree with all of them.

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Maybe thought to be too big (89mm front element) for most consumers, too slow for people who really need/want the length?   Note that 3rd party lenses are f/6.3 which Canon wouldn't do, so the Tamron 150-600 has a ~94mm front element. 

Perhaps the new 600mm zooms from Tamron/Sigma and f/8 AF pushing down the product lines (for TC combos) will make Canon rethink...

Interesting thought.  I wonder if it has to do with Canon's idea of what a consumer lens should be sold at?

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Reviews / Re: Jeff Cable's 7D2 & High ISO Look
« on: October 22, 2014, 03:52:31 PM »
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Cable updates with some "real world" images...


http://blog.jeffcable.com/2014/10/another-real-world-test-of-canon-7d.html

Those shots look very usable and workable.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7d mark II as reviewed by Artie Morris
« on: October 22, 2014, 02:29:43 PM »
and to aquire his skills ;)

The only thing that differentiates Art Morris from a million other photographers is opportunity - he has access (by his own admission) yo lots of tame birds, and the time to exploit them.


I'm sorry, but it's more than simply opportunity. Art has decades of experience and insight that far fewer than "millions" of other photographers have. If you actually read his blog on a regular basis, and read his books, you realize the depth of his experience. If I had all of Arties opportunities, I'm certain I would get better photos...however getting excellent photos every single time is another story. There are subtleties within subtleties within subtleties about bird photography that you learn when Art starts critiquing your work (which is something I do, over on BPN.) You start learning how nuanced getting every single aspect of a bird photo, from lighting and composition down to head angle and eye pointing and everything else.


I'm a decent photographer, and one of those "millions" of other photographers out there who don't very often have the opportunities that Art has. I know for a fact, though that even if I had them, I'd be missing a LOT of the subtleties.

+1, he has great compositions and looks to his shots even though many are a little on the high key side to my taste.  Reading his comments just from the 7D2 posts on his crop and composition choices shows just how much he considers when taking photos.


Yeah, there is a depth of consideration, for sure. The amazing thing is he seems to consider all those things in seconds or less. He also knows how to rebase his exposure every time he moves the lens or the light changes...and his techniques for doing so are amazing, but remembering to do all those things myself, every time I press the shutter button, is not easy. I still forget to rebase my exposure when pointing from one subject to another, where the lighting has likely changed. That sometimes results in hot or blown highlights that are difficult to recover with good detail. There are thousands of little things, nuances, that you have to think about and get correct, all in the timespan of a bird indicating they are going to do something interesting, pointing the lens, basing then adjusting exposure, and actually taking the shot at the right time such that you get everything right. I cannot think about all those small factors and nail it every time. I don't exactly have a lot of throwaways...however I rarely if ever get a photo I could call "Morris-level quality"...VERY rarely.

I have the same issues you do.  Half the time I am just happy to get a recognizable shot. :-[

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7d mark II as reviewed by Artie Morris
« on: October 22, 2014, 12:45:03 PM »
and to aquire his skills ;)

The only thing that differentiates Art Morris from a million other photographers is opportunity - he has access (by his own admission) yo lots of tame birds, and the time to exploit them.


I'm sorry, but it's more than simply opportunity. Art has decades of experience and insight that far fewer than "millions" of other photographers have. If you actually read his blog on a regular basis, and read his books, you realize the depth of his experience. If I had all of Arties opportunities, I'm certain I would get better photos...however getting excellent photos every single time is another story. There are subtleties within subtleties within subtleties about bird photography that you learn when Art starts critiquing your work (which is something I do, over on BPN.) You start learning how nuanced getting every single aspect of a bird photo, from lighting and composition down to head angle and eye pointing and everything else.


I'm a decent photographer, and one of those "millions" of other photographers out there who don't very often have the opportunities that Art has. I know for a fact, though that even if I had them, I'd be missing a LOT of the subtleties.

+1, he has great compositions and looks to his shots even though many are a little on the high key side to my taste.  Reading his comments just from the 7D2 posts on his crop and composition choices shows just how much he considers when taking photos.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7d mark II as reviewed by Artie Morris
« on: October 22, 2014, 12:41:23 PM »
I thought this forum was about equipment not personalities! I appreciate the photos to look at as PART of my evaluation of the 7DII.

ad Hominem is what happens here far too often.

Sometimes it feels like we are only one post away from bringing in mothers in to the discussion.   :-\

So true, but not just this forum.  I see on other forums that I frequent and even on ones that I make a quick visit while doing research.  The anonymity afforded by the internet has greatly eroded the civility that we would normally use if meeting face to face.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7d mark II as reviewed by Artie Morris
« on: October 22, 2014, 10:19:04 AM »
re: nonsense spouted here from people who have never met Artie Morris, never taken a workshop from him and seen first hand how he works, don't follow his blog or exhaustive postings/comments on BirdPhotographers.net...

I think I'm glad I come here for rumor and not fact or I'd think some of these comments had basis in reality.

Clueless.

wtlloyd - I have no idea why having met the guy helps me judge his photography but for what its worth I do occasionally check out his blog - does this qualify me to pass judgement on his pictures!?

I feel I should explain that I for one was not having a go at his method or personality, purely his output and only then in the context of him being a perfectly competent shooter rather than a "great nature photographer" or "class act" or "Mr BIF...even Sir BIF". I also think the comments regarding his blog site being a little messy and loaded with sales links are fair...but I suppose I need to have gone out to dinner with him, and bought a few books and a bunch of 7DII raw files from him to go as far as pass judgement on his blog?

We all have opinions and a right to share them in a nice manner preferably. 

I can not blame people for their comments on the commercial nature of his site.  It needs to pay for itself and he needs to make a living.

I must admit at first I found his blog a bit difficult to follow but once you do you can become acclimated to his style.

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Reviews / Re: Camera Store Trashes New G7X
« on: October 22, 2014, 09:41:18 AM »
I guess you didn't like the part about:

Canonitis
Noun/Latin Origin
- To never go the full step you really need to innovate and take over the market.


Take over the market from whom?   Who is the market leader for digital still cameras and dSLRs?

Some never let data get in the way of their beliefs.  They much prefer there own anecdotal acquisitions.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: What card(s) will you use for the 7DII?
« on: October 22, 2014, 09:37:55 AM »
I ordered a 32 GB Sandisk Extreme UDMA-7 120mb/s CF and a 32 GB Sandisk Extreme UHS-1, Class 10 90mb/s SD.  I plan on using the SD as an overflow.

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Lenses / Re: 100-400 with 1.4x teleconverter on crop body
« on: October 20, 2014, 01:49:16 PM »
These were taken with my 7D on the 100-400 with a Kenko 1.4TC.  You must use the outer 2 middle row focus points to get decent focusing ability.  Focus is slower, you need greater light and contrast.

Question is if at this magnification, you'd see a difference with a tc and the bare lens.

To the op: I've just got a 70-300L with the Kenko (you get a working but sloooooow f8 af), so take it for what it's worth - but it's about the same iq or even a bit better than the older 100-400L. Basically, forget about using this on a crop body, you're cutting 1.6x times 1.4x away from the glass and it really shows with these midrange lenses.

I only use it to zoom in on sunsets and the like nowadays that need even more cropping, but for anything that require sharpness it's not worth switching the tc on.

I'd say the IQ is a little worse but definitely not killer loss up close.  As the distance to target increases then the loss increases too.

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Lenses / Re: 100-400 with 1.4x teleconverter on crop body
« on: October 20, 2014, 08:57:51 AM »






These were taken with my 7D on the 100-400 with a Kenko 1.4TC.  You must use the outer 2 middle row focus points to get decent focusing ability.  Focus is slower, you need greater light and contrast.

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