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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D or 5D Mark III
« on: March 07, 2013, 09:10:47 AM »
I'll tell u what we want, we want a camera with 5d3 ergonomics and af with the 6d sensor at the price of a 5d2

I don't get it. I happen to like the ergonomics of the 6D better. Then again that is subjective. One thing is fact, the 6D is lighter. Don't underestimate that.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D or 5D Mark III
« on: March 07, 2013, 12:56:25 AM »
I owned a 40D and a 5DII, now i have the 5DIII.

The 5DIII is the 40D speed + 5DII IQ combined + a whole lot of extras. It's worth the the $.
The 6D is lower build quality, poor ergonomics compared to 40D, and much worse than 5DIII

Get the 5DIII, and enjoy the full-frame goodness

I think you have 6D mixed with the 60D.

To OP. I recently had the same question, and went with the 6D. I don't regret it one bit. I am not a professional, and I don't shoot sports nor wildlife. The 6D AF is more than adequate, seriously.

I just want to advise you that don't feel like its not good enough. It's a great camera. I don't think the 5D MIII is worth the $1000 that you can put in lens or accessories. But that's my opinion.

It really comes down to whether you NEED the AF of the MIII. If not the 6D is more than practical. I love it. Honestly think about what your needs are. The 6D will still be around just as long as the MIII. So don't get thrown off by that comment.

EOS Bodies / Re: refurbished 5d III, what do you think?
« on: March 04, 2013, 10:06:57 PM »
I don't get people's hesitation with this. Refurbished means back to standards. Basically new. It's a great deal even with the 3month warranty.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Made the Jump
« on: March 02, 2013, 12:24:22 AM »
Congratulations! May I ask why you went with the 5D MIII instead of 6D?

Black & White / Re: Black & White
« on: March 01, 2013, 01:05:37 PM »
 I would say the second one. I would like the first one better maybe at a different angle, for some reason the background is throwing me off. Just my opinion, and only an amateur :)

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Interesting future ILC concept camera
« on: February 28, 2013, 11:30:45 AM »
That is so past cool, it's crazy. I love that I can live in this day in age, can't wait to see what else the future brings us!

Canon General / Tripod/Lens Combo Suggestion
« on: February 27, 2013, 09:39:54 PM »
Hey guys, so I just recently got the 6D (I was going for the MIII but the built in WiFi made it for me). I have a couple thousand left.

The only lens I have so far is the 50mm 1.4. I want to get a new lens and I'm leaning either wide-angle or portrait. Plus I need a new tripod as well.

In terms of lens these are what I want in order of most wanted to least:
1. Zeiss 21mm
2. Canon 135mm
3. Samyang/Rokinon 14mm

Tripod I want:
RRS TVC-23 + BH-40 LR

Why I want a wide-angle lens is because I am going to many trips to take a lot of landscape + astrophotography. Also landscape shots are easier for me to come by (Minnesota) than getting people infront of the camera.

Reason for Portrait lens is because I really do want to start working on my portrait as that is where the money will come from later on, plus its interesting.

Reason for RRS TVC-23 is because I heard it is pretty much the best, and I cheap'd out last time and got an okay tripod (Velbon dv-7000) which did me good but I kept finding small aggravating things with it (plus no vertical position).

Basically the SMART choice would be Samyang + Canon + RRS
but I don't know if that's the RIGHT choice.

**oh btw...I'm happy for the people who got the Refurb discount this week, but my god I was waiting for this sale for three weeks and by the time i got the email they were sold out *raise fists/gently*

Reviews / Re: Why I Chose a Canon EOS 6D over a 5D MKIII
« on: February 23, 2013, 03:22:37 AM »
You are making me cry  :'( I thought life would be easier by just getting the 5D MIII, but here you go with the review >.< I wanted the better AF but im coming to realize that I will either start practicing landscapes or do portraits and I think the AF is sufficient, plus I can get a nice lens with it too, and better tripod. Sigh, decisions, decisions.

Lenses / Re: "Native" ISO... is it real and does it make a difference
« on: February 06, 2013, 10:24:59 PM »
Luckily, the Magic Lantern devs have figured out what iso is "best" - and it's rather surprising and more complicated than one might think...

The charts here are instructive:

If you look at the 5DIII, you can see the waving up and down of the DR with intermediate ISO steps - exactly what you would expect for a mix of analogue and digital gain setting. In contrast, the 1DX plot is smooth, perhaps because it is using analogue gain for the intermediate steps.

The plots suggest a peak DR at ISO 160 on the 5DIII, which is consistent with the ML folks conclusion that the native ISO is somewhere around 80ish and everything else is a push/pull of that.

The effect is small, however, and probably not worth the hassle of fretting about when shooting... however I wish Canon had a RAW capture mode and metering that operated only at native ISO values.

What's insane (if its accurate) is the 5D Mark III/1Dx vs D600 .... God damn it :/

Lenses / Re: Metabones Speed Booster -- why only for FF to APS-C?
« on: February 01, 2013, 10:41:14 PM »

Ah.  So we need a medium format to FF speed booster, eh?

It might be cheaper to just get an old EF 50 F/1.0L.   :P


In a sense yes, you would need a MF lens, an adapter to convert that lens to FF, and there you have it. I don't think you would have any sort of IQ degration at all, infact maybe opposite, but that's something worth researching.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 30, 2013, 01:06:42 AM »


There's a limit to volume savings.  Canon is only able to fab X amount of sensors.  If they can sell them all for $200-800 but they sell them for $50-200 instead there's no benefit, just loss.

There's also the issue of pixel size.  If they put FF sensors into APS-C cameras & just cripple it with firmware, it's not just the cost of the FF sensor they're losing, it's the megapixel race.  FF sensors have much larger pixel sizes, bigger microlenses for better high ISO performance.  But that also means if you used the same design on an APS-C camera you'd end up w/ a 6ish MP camera which consumers would look at as if Canon is nuts, trying to rip them off, is 1/4 the resolution of Nikon's APS-C.

Hackers would love it I'm sure. They'd likely find a way to activate the whole sensor.

Canon's current R&D method is working for the most part, they're just dragging their feet switching to a smaller fab; because they already own their own 500nm.  The rest of their tech is evolving fine though.  Autofocus (sensitivity, accuracy, recognition, & prediction), video, touch screen, & color accuracy are all areas they've stayed ahead of Nikon.

I understand you'd like to see generational leaps closer to what you see in the computer industry, but with Cameras they can't use the same model.  Their material costs are higher & their volume is lower.

Of course the Rebel line should be a crop sensor to save money. But anything after that it should be FF which can then turn into APS-H/C so that users that want to you it for reach they can. Most of the drawbacks associate with that is because we are still seeing the same technology of sensors but with this drive set of making the best than technology will improve to the point where it would minimize or wipe the current negatives to it.

And crippling firmware is the opposite of where I'm getting at. As you would get higher up the line the things that would change are processor power/efficiency, MP, and Shutter (FPS, etc)   

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 29, 2013, 10:41:46 PM »

I don't think you give them enough credit.

Personally I feel Canon is pretty much better sensors away from being easily ahead.

I prefer:

- Their lenses (IQ)
- Their variety and range
- Their ergonomics (and LCD's on the DSLR's)
- The latest autofocus technology
- Their service and support
- Their reliability

Lets look at some absolute benchmarks they have laid out this last year or so:

- 24-70mmL ii
- the 500mm and 600mm version ii's
- the autofocus in the 1D X and 5D 3

I know people often sook about Canon's lack of a killer ultra wide zoom, but I rate the 14L and 17 TS-E as fantastic lenses.

Yes, their sensor tech could be improved but most other things are pretty rosy!

 I do give them credit. Even though I don't own the AF of 1Dx/5D3 I know it's the best on the market. I also do love their lenses. I'm not trying to say they are a bad company or are going to die. I'm just trying to get to a new way of thinking.

 Idk I feel like I'm repeating myself too much :/ Ill back down as it seems that I'm failing at portraying my vision.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 29, 2013, 09:47:20 PM »

Yes someone probably would show that how things are setup it will show that they make profit...but that's a given. They are milking the products which in turn give us either the same or a very very small step towards new technology. But what I'm proposing is another way of thinking, and in a sense it's how Apple is but I don't want to associate it with Apple because of the negative psychology that it can impose with certain consumers.

Agree again, but Apple wasn't the market leader when their great innovation model kicked in.  They said they would chase blue water innovations through 'user needs' rather than 'market expectations'.  That distinction is important.

Canon will never do that in an most areas b/c that's not what people expect of a leading camera company.  There are expectations of use across a number of segments, so the needs of segment A drive the needs of segment B.  Canon's rather vanilla (but capable) entry into mirrorless shows this -- they went for a straightforward smaller camera based on technology they know tons about (APS-C), with menus, interface etc. borrowed from other Canon offerings.  None of us should have been surprised by that.

But now look at the Apple-like blue water innovation entry Canon dropped earlier this month, the Powershot N:

It's not going to rock the world of an SLR shooter, but I challenge anyone to tell me:

  • What photography market segment does it go in?
  • Who is the target demographic?
  • What do you compare this to?

And there you have Canon, in one smaller camera, being a little brave.  It's not going to change our world, but where there are no expectations, interesting products can arise.  Sadly, this is Canon's very limited sliver of opportunity on the 'where the hell did that come from?' innovation front.

- A

True, but that is why they need to do something different. You're also right on this being their opportunity, and honestly I think their in the BIGGEST point in their timeline to decide whether they will lead by a large margin or be muddied down with the rest. Canon is huge, and they sell (from what I can remember reading) the most but we're no longer in an age where we can say well "Buying Nikon/Canon will be better" even Sony (I should say definitely) is starting to creep up into that conversation, and given the way things are, they MIGHT pass it. I might not saying Canon is dieing or whatever, that isn't what I'm getting at. I just wish that a leading company will start loving what they make, and actually lead by revolution and not by how big their margins are. Yes they are a company...but not all companies operate on only making the biggest profit. (not pointing to you, just expressing my thoughts)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: January 29, 2013, 07:06:07 PM »
I know where you're getting at, but like I said the price section isn't what I was trying to get at.

You've actually put the cart before the horse. Apple has clearly shown that price strategy comes first when figuring out model differentiation.


In tabular form:

T2i : $600
T3i : $700
T4i : $1000
8D : $1200
7D : $1600
6D : $2100
(pro stuff however it falls out)



+10 if I could.  Very insightful.

I think we all, as users, wrestle with the premise that Canon has so many product lines -- see chart graphic from (also attached at bottom)

It's fun for us to make sweeping simplifications to portfolios -- and what you propose is indeed the Apple go-to gameplan.

But with camera owners, I'm sure there is a Canon marketing guy who could bury us with market segmentation data to imply that each and every SLR bucket they offer is vital, financially viable, and useful.

Think of each of these segments and what differentiates them:

  • XXXXD:      Cost cost cost.  "I cannot buy a film camera any longer", "my high school student son wants to pick up photography", etc.

  • XXXD:        A few key consumer level niceties: touch screen, swivel screen, so-so AF for video. "I just want it to take nice pictures, and occasionally a video", "Do I need a longer lens?  Maybe...", etc.

  • XXD:          A thicker grip (I hear this often), top LCD for quick adjustments, less reliance on auto modes. "I've been shooting a while now", "I felt limited by my older camera", etc.

  • 7D:            Serious shooters and some pros who see APS-C as a strength and not a liability.  Better build.  Fast burst.  "This is the best tool for birding", "I need high burst rate to cover sports for the local paper",  "I really like tweaking my lens AF", etc.

  • 6D:            Serious shooters who do see APS-C as a liability but don't want to pay for all the bells and whistles.  "I have always wanted a FF camera", "It's not the highest end, but you should see the pictures I get with this."

  • 5D3:          Pros, videographers, well-funded enthusiasts, etc. who will pay for IQ and build quality but do not require the apocalypse proof build, cost or size of 1D bodies.  "It's solid and doesn't let me down", "Shoosh, we're filming right now", "[Quiet shutter noise at wedding]", etc.

  • 1DX:          Those people.  "Welcome to my studio",  "We're invading Asia.  Thought I'd tag along", "It was this or the obsidian steering wheel for my yacht" ::)

Personally, I see the XXD group as the one that makes the least sense -- not in terms of value but in terms of overlap with other offerings.  I personally jumped from a T1i to a 5D3 this past year (file me under enthusiast) and found the jump to be an easy one.  I already had a bunch of lenses and only the 10-22 was a casualty of the move.

But I'm sure we all have our thoughts on segmentation.

- A

Yes someone probably would show that how things are setup it will show that they make profit...but that's a given. They are milking the products which in turn give us either the same or a very very small step towards new technology. But what I'm proposing is another way of thinking, and in a sense it's how Apple is but I don't want to associate it with Apple because of the negative psychology that it can impose with certain consumers.

5D MK III Sample Images / Re: Single raw real estate photos
« on: January 29, 2013, 10:33:16 AM »
Love the shots! Makes me want to move in lol

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