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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:36:52 PM »
How many dslrs does Canon have in the lineup as of today?  With the 5D3 coming in at the 2nd from the top, how is that midrange? Oh you mean when compared to MF's costing 5-8x as much? Please look up apples to oranges and try again please.

Flagship is 1DX...5D3 currently costs about ~half of the MSRP... but if it makes you feel good. Please make a bumper sticker :)

P.S. One of the bodies I own is a 5D3 and love it. But I am just calling attention to this lording over those who can't afford the 5D3 at MSRP.

The OP has a point. It is priced officially higher because it can be had for much lower from time to time. Why is this an issue?

The OP didn't actually focus on the MSRP - instead suggesting it should be $2500 tops.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 09:27:47 PM »
Nobody cares whether or not you buy the 5DIII.
Why are you whining on this forum instead of buying the Nikon that you say is a better camera for less money?

+1000 Harsh, hardly. Tired of hearing all the whinning about the cost of equipment... If you can't afford one are you going to die?!?! I want a Ferrari for 20K...boooo hohoohhhhooo.

5D3 is hardly a Ferrari...and owning a 5D3 does not make anyone superior... it is a midrange camera at best. Lets not use it as a status symbol...because it is not. When you own a few Hassys or the multiple supertele's or even the lowly 1DX let us throw that proverbial stone. :)

Let's give the guy a break...he is just venting. Show him when and where the deals exist...cuz they do.

I don't really follow the status symbol thing. Each sensible person balances needs and cost and each sensible company tries to read the market. If you buy a camera because of what other people will think...I dunno, it makes no sense. and I don't think that is what chilled xpress was alluding to, simply that just because you want something doesn't mean the manufacturer has a responsbility to price it for you. I want a trip to the moon on a spaceship with a giant pretzel and lapdance thrown in... for $100. What, no dice? Shame on you, nasty, elitist Richard Branson.

However, my issue is that first post the OP complains about the price of the 5D3 then goes on to cite the competition doing better. He/she has the option to buy the competition cameras but chooses not to, instead apparently opting for the 6D.

Given that the OP clearly would prefer a Canon (presumably because he/she believes it would better suit his/her needs - otherwise, why?), that must mean they value the Canon's quality and feature set more. Why slag canon off for charging for what you believe is a better camera? As others have pointed out the 5D3 has been widely available for less than $3000USD. That's not much more than the Nikon.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 08:44:56 PM »
No these answers do not say the truth about the overprice of this camera.  The competition is doing much better now than when these cameras were release, damn you can get two nikon D600 for the same price of that camera

You can spend twice as much time cleaning sensors then.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Cost of Canon 5D mk III
« on: February 04, 2013, 07:18:56 PM »
Look, the 5D3 is more than the sum of its parts.

It is fundamentally a better and more versatile camera than the D800 except for the sensor.

I can't find a screen big enough to display 22.3MP let alone 36MP and I certainly don't need to print that big.

All of the AF points on the 5D3 actually work.

And finally, almost overwhelmingly the 5D3 owners on the site seem very happy with their camera and post top notch pictures.

Please this is only my opinion. I am sure the D800 pleases lots of people.

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Portrait / Re: Portrait suggestions needed
« on: February 03, 2013, 06:27:58 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for sharing your portrait. I really like the expression and interaction with the viewer.

As some other kind folks have alluded to the image composition could perhaps be looked at. You could try a few different styles of cropping. Personally I would crop tighter at the sides and lower. (less space at the top). I tend to avoid the extraneous where possible.

I feel the image is slightly underexposed for my taste, however the slightly darker shading on one side doesn't bother me, in fact I'd probably have a little more.

Please note that I think you have done marvellously well and in the main I have offered some creative alternatives that you might try (these decisions are always subjective. I took a portrait of my fiance for an article yesterday and she was just inside the left edge of a landscape oriented frame (not traditional and not something I'd normally do but it worked really well because of the location). Portraits are also so much about practising and getting to know your lighting.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's Roadmap for 2013 [CR2]
« on: February 02, 2013, 09:09:54 PM »
When was the last time an integrated grip body was $4500?

With the new tech it would be an about-face from existing pricing trends.

Here is what I expect for Canon's near future lineup:
  • EOS-Rebel T3i $500
  • EOS-M $800
  • EOS-Rebel T4i $800
  • EOS-100D(M2) $1000
  • EOS-10D(Rebel T5i) $1000
  • EOS-8D(70D) $1500
  • EOS-9D $1500 (Pro APS-C or Full Frame EOS-M)
  • EOS-6D $2000
  • EOS-7D $2500
  • EOS-7D C $3000(7D/5D body with C100 sensor)
  • EOS-5D $3500
  • EOS-3D $4500(40+ MP in 1Dx body)
  • EOS-1D X $6500
  • EOS-1D C $12000

What do you guys think? I think it would clean stuff up quite nicely then they could just start adding new marks to new models, I also think it gives multiple choices in the same price ranges and they would like it to keep higher prices bodies from slipping

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« on: February 02, 2013, 06:22:27 PM »
Five pages back I was embarrassed for starting this thread, now I'm mortified. :(

I'd try and contribute but I honestly don't follow most of it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C is Unknown
« on: February 02, 2013, 10:20:49 AM »
My guess is probably as bad as anyone's. However the longish wait for the 7D2 suggests it will be pretty good. I just reckon Canon are due to produce something really strong...which they won't be shy in charging for.


Getting back to the original story of this thread... By the time the 7D2 comes out, I think it will cost more than the 6D.  This wound some people up when I last offered this, but I think a stellar APS-C body that prevents you from needing to buy the longest glass (because of crop) is worth its weight in gold to some folks.  A $2K APS-C body, as such, is entirely possible.

I tend to support your view.

It would be astonishing if it was less than the 6D. We see with the difference between the 5D3 and the 1DX a large price increase for features which don't have a massive impact on the optimal IQ achievable (more the ability to maintain good IQ under worse/difficult conditions).

I'm getting a $2499 feeling.

I'm not even disagreeing that the 7DII may be worth more than the 6D (We will have to wait and see) but do you really think they would price it so much more than the 6D? From a marketing standpoint, wouldn't be much better to have the 6D and 7D at the same price point? In the 7D, you would have a better build quality and an absurdly fast fire rate. With the 6D, you would have better image quality and low light capabilities. I think these two cameras would be better of around the $1800 range (both of them), especially if the 70D is coming in around $1000.

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EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 70D is Coming, The Future of Pro APS-C is Unknown
« on: February 02, 2013, 12:09:05 AM »

Getting back to the original story of this thread... By the time the 7D2 comes out, I think it will cost more than the 6D.  This wound some people up when I last offered this, but I think a stellar APS-C body that prevents you from needing to buy the longest glass (because of crop) is worth its weight in gold to some folks.  A $2K APS-C body, as such, is entirely possible.

I tend to support your view.

It would be astonishing if it was less than the 6D. We see with the difference between the 5D3 and the 1DX a large price increase for features which don't have a massive impact on the optimal IQ achievable (more the ability to maintain good IQ under worse/difficult conditions).

I'm getting a $2499 feeling.

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I use the B+W MRC slim UV filter and find it works well. No IQ loss.

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Lenses / Re: Telephoto choice for Australia
« on: February 01, 2013, 05:49:35 AM »
ps, if you're going to Brisbane or Bundaberg (or anywhere in Qld, really), bring an Ikelite underwater housing... [/harsh]

Touché

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:47:42 PM »
then read the discussion again.
and read the suedes answer
I take it the answer was "yes".

I would think this concludes this argument series.
As far as I can understand from the [considerably more than!] somewhat confused string of comments in this thread, no party is/was actually strictly incorrect, since both parties are constantly avoiding the "Yes, but I'm talking about...." pretext of the responding posts.

Though I cannot help but feel that at least one side of the argumentation has gone out of it's way to not read the intended meaning of the "opposite side's" statements and argumentation. And the undertone of constant provocation isn't very unflattering.

This isn't meant to be condescending towards Mikael - since he is well aware of both his light dyslexia and his short temper - but this thread feels like a kindergarten playground where a pack of children are trying to provoke a dyslectic kid with very short temper into doing something stupid and aggressive while the teachers are watching - so they can say that "he started the violence!" and point the blame to him - and get him expelled. As I said: Not a very flattering impression.

In the end, from a factual PoV:

HTP does not in any case UNLESS the one-off case where the starting point is ISO100 lower absolute photometric exposure. At set ISOs 200-800 it does however increase the electronic noise pollution in the finished image somewhat in Canon cameras.
Exposure is exposure is exposure, and exposure sets the photon noise level in the image. It's set by the scene light emittance modulated by shutter speed and lens T-stop (aperture + losses), and actually also for all practical considerations: QE of the sensor. Not by ISO - though the ISO setting can change aperture and/or shutter speed when the camera is in auto- mode (anything but "M" mode), it's a secondary effect. ISO changes setting, setting changes exposure.
ISO in digital cameras is a translating factor between exposure (exposure x QE = cell charge) and raw file ADU value.
The amount of headroom available in a camera can NEVER be higher than when the camera is used on base ISO (ISO100 in the case discussed here) - Since the highest DR is always at base ISO, unless the construction is seriously flawed (actually totally botched!). This means that ISO200 + HTP has the same 'potential' headroom, since the actual physical amplification is set at ISO100, not 200
ISO50 (or more generally "lower than actual base ISO") settings are useless for raw shooters, but may be of some use for jpg shooters.


Feel free to add constructive criticism, or point out any error(s). But be very ashamed if this post is considered OT and erased.

Excellent, I agree!

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: New Canon EOS-1D X for $5907 via eBay
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:42:31 PM »
I agree. I do not think CR should put promotions on the home page unless it is from an authorised dealer, and even then it should be checked it is genuine and not new age advertising.


BigValue is a Canon authorized seller. Any more questions?

Do you work for them?

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Canon may be expensive but...
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:35:20 PM »
I feel bad for starting this thread. It really was only a piece of info! :-[

I know exactly how you feel. I started a thread on ISO 50 and you should have seen where THAT ended up ...

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=12437.255

I remember that one. Classic.

That was definitely a time when you would be justified in saying to yourself "it's not me, it's you!"

Hi Mikael, long time no see!

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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:14:43 PM »
Nortstar has it, Place called Jigokudani about 5 hours drive North of Tokyo, hike around 3 Klms into the Mountains to a Hot Springs that the local Macaques have learnt to use to keep warm in the Winters of Northern Japan, the day we visited it was snowing & - 10F, although caretakers throw Grain out in the surrounding area so the Monkeys are able to forage, there is no other attempt to domesticate, these are wild Monkeys. Having said that you can get amazingly close to them, they pretty well ignore us Humans as long as you don't touch them or maintain direct eye contact, worth a visit if your ever in Japan, especially in the winter.

Isn't that the place where sometimes a macaque will be kicked out and has to freeze? Seriously, that made me sad. I think I saw a doco on it. Great shot though.

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