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you know, with all this talk about the 60D lacking AFMA, I haven't found I really NEEDED it or wished I had it. Well, maybe with one exception- my first 40mm 2.8 I had to send back because it was backfocusing and I needed to find one that focused properly on my camera. Then again, it was a pretty severe backfocus so even AFMA may not have been able to save that one...then there was a time my 17-55 appeared to have a slight backfocus at 55mm in certain shots...but with all my other lenses, it's been more or less fine.

I have also shot figure skating events with the MkII on a 60D and learned that the 60D is a bit lacking in the focus tracking department.  Roughly 20% of my shots were OOF.  With the 7D, less than 5% are OOF.

that's about my experience...I used the same combo for a few skating shows, perhaps about a 70-80% keeper rate at the last show I went to. However, even out of the "keepers", many were not sharp, but remained usable after some PP sharpening in-house. I like to shoot in RAW so I don't fire bursts, but instead try to predict when the skater(s) do moves and time the shot right.

I have to say, though, that exceeded my expectations of the 60D AF. I still missed a few shots, but once I improved my technique a bit (faster shutter speeds, better/longer tracking) I was pleasantly surprised at the turnout. Still, a better AF system would really be nice...I guess I have one now in the 5D, with the caveat of loss of reach...


Regarding the OP's shots, definitely need a faster shutter speed...but even then, it should not be THAT blurry. For sports one really has to use Servo mode, hold the camera firm and track the subject(s) one is interested in shooting. I've learned through experience that typically you can't just pick up the camera, point and shoot and hope for a sharp shot...

...I actually was dreaming of taking my 60d with 17-55 to a FF setup and now I have all the new toys
5d3 24-70 II...

same here  :o

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 5D III, or 6D+7D combo - your thoughts?
« on: October 13, 2012, 09:06:06 PM »

If you're anything like me, once you start capturing FF images, you'll start making excuses not to use APS-C.

I'm probably just beginning to make baby steps towards this realization...

It's crazy, though- the step up in IQ is very similar to the jump from my P&S to the T2i (once I got a decent L lens for it).

I still don't want to let go of the 7D though, having two cameras can be useful. I don't feel having a 5D3 and 7D as redundant. Knowing I still have the 7D around if I need it feels reassuring.

I feel the same way about my 60D, after acquiring the 5D3 last week. It will still make a solid backup/travel camera when necessary. The only situation I can foresee letting it go is if I find myself needing the extra reach often enough & I get spoiled enough by the 5D3's AF that I'd try to pick up a used 7D, etc. or something...

Lenses / Re: What lenses do you own?
« on: October 11, 2012, 06:09:32 PM »
24-70 (JUST acquired to replace 17-55 for FF- looks great, can't wait to test it out in the field)
70-200 2.8
35L (may be selling this one soon for a 50)
40 2.8 (on 60D)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Options for 60D upgrade/replacement?
« on: October 10, 2012, 10:46:53 AM »

Congrats on acquiring the 5D3!  Have you tried your 35/1.4 on it yet?

Not on MY unit, but I was able to put it on a store demo unit about a week ago. To be quite honest I didn't really like the field of view on FF as much as I did on APS-C where I felt it was perfect (why I bought the lens in the first place). On FF it's a bit wide for me, prefer the FOV of 50mm. Problem is, I tried the 50 1.2 and it seemed to exhibit some backfocus at around 2.8 which I couldn't really seem to get rid of even after dialing in some AF correction quickly (and it screws up the other settings on top of that)...other than that I would certainly make the swap. I tried a used Sigma 50 1.4 which seemed great (apart from softness at 1.4), but I don't really wish to go 3rd party again and I would prefer a weather-sealed lens.

I was in the same situation as you when trying to find a FF zoom lens as sharp as my Sigma 17-50.  I had both the 24-70 mk1 and 24-105.  With the copies I tested, the 24-70 is sharper at f4 at all focal lengths so I ended up keeping it.  One negative is that it is much larger and heavier than the 24-105.  My suggestion, while you still have the 60D is to keep the 17-55 and for your 5D3, pick-up a 16-35 or another wide angle lens like 14L or 24L II first and supplement it with a 50/1.4 or 40mm (or your awesome 35L).  The 16-35 will open up new creative outlets that you couldn't get before with the 60D and 24-105 or 17-55.

I guess I could do that but it's really too late on the 17-55. It's in auction on ebay (and there have been bids) so it's going to end up going to the highest bidder. I intend on getting the new 24-70 II as a replacement for use on the 5D3, as soon as my local store gets some good copies in.

I would be interested in seeing how wide 16 or 17mm is on FF...not much of a wide-angle shooter here, not really my style, but might be interesting to play around. After the 5D purchase and the 24-70 that's about it for my current funds wouldn't be able to afford 16-35 or 14 (at least not right away)...perhaps a used 17-40 might be an option though- but I've heard it's not that good?

Basically, I'm only keeping the 60D for two main reasons: a) getting maximum reach out of my 70-200 2.8 and 70-300L for sports & events that call for it and b) for use with the 40mm 2.8 as a backup camera/2nd body. When I get more $ again I'll think about possibly trading in for a used 7D (much closer to the 5D3 in terms of operation it seems). The 5D3 will become my main camera with various lenses like the 24-105, 24-70 (when I get it), 70-200 and 70-300. I might trade in the 35 for a 50. that'll likely do it in terms of lenses unless I can find good deals on perhaps a 17-40 or something.

Btw, with the 24-70mk1, the 5d3's focusing points' usefulness really become apparent because you can't re-frame with that lens after focusing.

Why? Limited DOF?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Options for 60D upgrade/replacement?
« on: October 10, 2012, 01:41:43 AM »
I loved the 24-105 on APS-C as an outdoor walkaround though. However, its usefulness indoors was decreased due to a) the slow aperture and b) 24mm not being wide enough in small to medium size rooms. FF definitely takes care of b) and even to a lesser extent, a) due to cleaner high ISO shots, while introducing c) soft towards the edge of the frame. Then again, even on APS-C softness was sometimes apparent (especially when compared to the 100 macro, 35 1.4, etc.)

But...still have to test it out in the "real world". My testing has been so far limited to my dimly-lit apartment, so can't speak for much other than the high ISO performance  ;D

I'm going to try to get my hands on that 24-70. My 17-55 is about to be sold quite soon...that's a tough lens to part with, but in the end, it's all in the aid of cleaner indoor/event shots.

Technical Support / Re: Event Shooting: Camera Picture Style Setting
« on: October 09, 2012, 11:54:00 PM »
Definitely, definitely, definitely, picture style neutral.  According to Canon, PS neutral is best for rendering accurate colors under indoor and tough light. Standard would most likely render skin tones too red and suffers from color distortion.  Also make sure to shoot raw, because canon noise reduction setting destroys colors and raw gives you the ability to shift color temperatures.

Thank you for the suggestion, but, I do not want to shoot in raw (reason is explained in my original post - do not want to put any time in post processing). If I shoot in RAW (which I otherwise always do) I wouldn't need to use the picture styles. I want JPEG  (which I have hardly ever used), that is why I asked the question.

Have you thought about shooting both? You'd still have the JPGs for easy distribution, but should anything need (significant) fixing or tweaking, the original raw file would be present. Although, from my experience when shooting events, a lot of times the JPGs were good enough (being the picky shooter that I am, though, I fixed all the RAWs anyway)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Options for 60D upgrade/replacement?
« on: October 09, 2012, 11:27:16 PM »

I'm already enjoying the beefed-up AF, but that's coming from the 9-pt 60D (which has served me well more or less, mind you). The multiple focus points will allow much more freedom of composition rather than using the center point and cropping later like I've had to do with the T2i/60D (and what I probably would have had to keep doing with the 6D!).

I guess the only negative so far - while the 24-105 has become a much more versatile lens (24mm is actually wide! This is a huge difference over 1.6x!), the FF sensor exposes a big weakness in the lens that wasn't apparent seems that corner sharpness is lacking a bit. Especially when using outer AF points, I could never get the area of focus truly sharp, even w/fast shutter speeds.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Options for 60D upgrade/replacement?
« on: October 09, 2012, 06:22:46 PM »
My 5D showed up today. First impressions are very positive but still need to put it through the paces, dial in settings, learn the camera, etc.

ETA: This thing completely owns at high ISO...Wow.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Can someone help me with low light settings
« on: October 06, 2012, 12:24:32 PM »
From my own experience, if it is dark enough, the flash light dominates the exposure for the foreground, so 1/10-1/30 sec can be used to light up the background a bit and still get a sharp foreground image...

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-M Begins Shipping
« on: October 06, 2012, 10:37:31 AM »
That's discouraging. I was really hoping for at least competent performance out of the M.

Even then, the price seems a bit high for what it can do. it's definitely making me have second thoughts. In any case, I've decided to move ahead with the 5D purchase instead.

That said, I would rather formal tests with hard numbers that tells us exactly how long it takes to focus on average.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Once you go "L" you'll never go back....
« on: October 06, 2012, 10:27:03 AM »
I look at it this way: Every camera has its limits. Lower-cost cameras (and phone cams) tend to have much tighter limits than professional-level models, for example. But- if you learn those limits and work within them, you can get great shots with anything.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Options for 60D upgrade/replacement?
« on: October 03, 2012, 04:34:19 PM »
Pulled the trigger on that 5D3 + 24-105 combo that was posted earlier. Hopefully all goes well and I'll have the new camera next week! Thanks for your comments. I can sell my copy of the lens and make up the difference.  I also want the 24-70 (new one)...17-55 is on ebay, and the 35 might have to go too...we'll see.

Unfortunately the 24-70 they had at the store seemed to be meh compared to the one I played around with a couple of days ago, which was a WOW... so I'll wait for new ones.  (QC issues for a $2K lens? Seriously??)

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon EOS-M Begins Shipping
« on: October 02, 2012, 05:41:16 PM »
Like I posted in the other thread, photo samples can be viewed on Flickr:

I have to say a couple of (not-so-good) things stand out to me:

1) Distortion/curvature. For a 22mm (35mm) lens it seems to have quite a bit of it?

2) IQ doesn't seem to be QUITE on DSLR level (but still a step up from P&S). Maybe it's the optics of the EF-M lenses which may not be quite as good as the DSLR versions, but...not blown away by the performance.

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