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EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 05, 2012, 11:33:41 AM »

i've read other reviews though that specifically say the wheel now does both.  plus he was controlling video volume levels, exactly what the touch sensitiviy was added for.

but think about this:  if the wheel is purely touch sensitive, why does it have those grippy teeth on it still?  if it was touch only wouldn't you think they'd take those off?  teeth don't make sense when you're using a touch wheel that's supposed to be easy to slide your finger around.

Ok cool, I just couldn't find anything saying that it would spin and I didn't see anyone spinning them in the videos.  It's nice to know that you can go either way, and aside from that quote you found everything was kind of unclear.

Geez enough threads about the price and trying to justify paying the price. 

The problem is that too many people have waited to upgrade and now they feel like they waited for nothing, or that they should have just updated to the 5DII a year ago.  They hung on to their 30D/40D/50D/60D/7Ds patiently and assumed (incorrectly) that the 5DIII would be the exact same price as the 5DII.  Now that the 5DIII is out of their price range, they are trying to internally rationalize why it's not worth $3500, even if the simple reason is that they just can't afford it.  They are trying to marginalize it, make it seem like it's just a 5DII with improved AF, because after all, it's hard to admit "hey this thing is awesome, I've been waiting on it forever, and I can't have it."  It's much easier to tell yourself "meh, it's just a little better than the 5DII, I'm not missing out." (which makes them feel better about now having to get a 5DII).  Then the confirmation bias sets in, they only read reviews that make the 5DIII seem not that great, they ignore the praises, and before you know it they genuinely believe it's a crap camera.  They post polls talking about what would "justify the price tag."  ;)

I mean usually when people DONT want something they DONT talk about it, why should they care?  Yet I see thread after thread of people that supposedly "dont want a 5DIII because it's not worth it," yet they can't shut up about the thing.  I know it sucks that it's out of reach for some people, I mean announcement day was the closest thing to Christmas morning that an adult camera enthusiast can experience, and it's a bummer when you realize Santa didn't bring you anything.  But have patience, the price will come down and a 5DII is still an awesome, very capable camera (I'm not getting rid of mine).

I am OP. This is my argument: We, as consumers, are collectively indifferent. some want this, and some want that.

The 1dX addresses High ISO performance issues. We also have the existing 1D4 (16 MP) that is impressive in high ISO. And it is a wonderful camera from all I have seen, read, and heard.

Okay, so since the 5dII came out nearly 4 years ago, Canon has added 1MP, better ISO performance, similar video features, same metering, 2 frames per second, and "pro" AF. All of this for $500 more-- 4 years later.

I know I am leaving out some specs--what dual card slots that many sub-FF cameras already have? I just don't see why anyone would pay $1,500 MORE for these upgrades. And yes, the 5dII can be found for $2,000 flat.

Look at some of the other specs and the fine details.  The resolution is much improved, and there are more than enough new video features to make me very excited about shooting at the end of the month.  I really only use these things for video and astrophotography, and I still think it's an awesome camera and worth the $.  Sure it would have been cool if it was cheaper, but I don't think it's a rip off by any means. 

The problem is that so many people have been holding out for this camera, waiting patiently with their 40D/50D/60D/7D to take the leap to full frame.  We've been waiting for so long that people just had it stuck in their heads that the 5DIII was what they were going to get.  Now they feel stupid for waiting, or cheated because it's out of their price range.  And that's unfortunate, but I think a lot of the animosity comes from people holding off upgrading for so long for something they couldn't afford. 

A major mistake on the price.  Is this camera so good it warrants a launch price double the high street price of the previous model, and 25% more expensive than the D800?  Somehow I doubt it, the improvements seem very incremental over the MkII, and while that camera sold in massive numbers I'll stick my neck out and say that this one won't.

I don't know how you came up with 2 x $2700 = $3500, but ok.  It's not Canon determining the MSRP country by country, so if you live in a place that it's very expensive, that's unfortunate.  But the MSRP is only $800 more than the 5DII originally was, I don't think it's that ridiculous. 

I'm waiting to see what this camera actually DOES, and not just what the specs are.
When Canon launched the C300 there were a ton of RED fanboys screaming that it didn't have 4k resolution, or that it didn't shoot R3DRAW or whatever other spec they read. What they all overlooked is that the camera itself recorded an amazing image, was rock solid dependable, and had a smooth workflow for production. People who should have known better were declaring the RED Scarlet the winner, and that the C300 was DOA. Well.....now we can see that the C300 is actually an incredible camera, especially for documentary and TV production. Point is, don't just judge any camera purely on the specs. Let's see what the 5DIII does.

I agree 100%, people ignored the amazing quality of the footage and all the testimonials from pros that absolutely loved it, but because it wasn't "4k" that means the whole thing is worthless.  People spec race and like to have 1 number that sums up the level of quality in a product, and with cameras there are so many other variables it just isn't fair to judge like that.

Canon didn't really hype this product that much, their users did.  If it was anti-climactic then the you must have had some unreasonable expectations.  Or it could be the fact that we had a spec list before release, so the actually announcement ended up being more of a confirmation than a genuine "surprise" announcement.

I'm a 5DII user and I think the 5DIII is awesome.  Improved video, much better resolution, absolutely killer low-light performance and a bunch of very cool features.  I'm not sure what you were looking for, but it sounds like your biggest issue is with the Megapixels, because the IQ and low-light performance have increased tremendously.  And megapixels aren't everything, I mean being able to crop into an image isn't useful if you don't do it often, so it doesn't really matter to me.  Wait for some real-world testing and do some more research before you start judging stuff solely based on specs.

I personally think the upgrades are stellar, and there are a lot of great features and lot's of small improvements that are collectively awesome.  But if you only look at it like it's got an improved AF and +2FPS faster of course it's going to seem like a bad deal.   

EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 04, 2012, 02:31:21 PM »
That's actually not quite correct.  The wheel still physically moves as it does on the Mark II, but now also includes the touch controls for video.  And Thank God for that, I hate touch sensitive scrolling.  It always makes it hard to select things and would be tough to impossible to use with gloves.

Look at 1:18, doesn't look like the wheel is moving to me.  I know it has that lock switch below it, but it doesn't appear to be engaged. 
Canon EOS 5D Mark III Preview by dpreview.com

Then at 1:31 in this video it refers to the wheel as "touch pad"
EOS 5D Mark III Walkaround COOL!

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:29:35 PM »
has anyone heard anywhere if the live view lcd cuts out when you attach an external monitor?
if we don't have clean hdmi, then we better have at least that!
my gh2 from last year has that!

The HDMI is 1080p and remains 1080p while recording, it's only not "clean" in the respect that it still shows the overlays.  I doubt the live view will work at the same time, why would you want to look at that tiny screen if you have it hooked up to a monitor or EVF?

EOS Bodies / Re: 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:25:26 PM »
I pre-ordered from a local Canon retailer in Montreal, Camtech Photo. They asked for a $100.00 deposit and said I was the third one on their list, that i would be most likely in the 'first batch'

Hoping that my support of local business will pay off and i won't wait much longer then those who ordered from B&H or Henrys!

What was the price @ Camtech?

It's $3499 pretty much everywhere, Best Buy, Adorama, B&H, my local shop.

Lenses / Re: What's your favorite Canon lens and why?
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:23:04 PM »
So after reading all you comments, I see that one that is mentioned again and again as a top lens is the 35 1.4L. I have a 16-35. Is the image quality on the 35 much better than the 16-35 @ 35 (if you disregard that it is faster?). And finally of the 24 and the 35 which one to choose (I have a 17mm TS for ultra wide angle)?

Dude yes, no comparison.  I have both, and while I love my 16-35mm the 35L is just much much sharper and has much better color rendition and bokeh.  The 24LII is a damn good one too though, but I feel the 35L is a bit more versatile.

A proper 5DII replacement for $2700.

Ditch the 61 AF points for 11 good ones
Ditch the HDR and multiple frames
Ditch all but the basic video modes
Keep the 5DIII sensor and electronics
Sell for $2500-$2700

I'd pre-order (and pay) for one yesterday and wait 3 months to get it.
So you're pretty much suggesting that they should have just released the 5D Mark II all over again with a 5DIII badge on it?  How is that a "proper replacement?"  You can't suggest that the 5DIII is improper just because it's out of your price range....

I mean really, you are pretty much describing a 5DII, all the things you suggest that they should ditch are almost all of the new features of the 5DIII.  So go buy a 5DII, it's way less than $2700!

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5DX still to come?
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:12:00 PM »

The rumors went on Canon's announcement of the C400 I think where they promo'd a concept camera. (that at the time looked like a rebadged 1DX just do they could put something on display).

I think you meant C300, not trying to be a dick just didn't want people to see it and get confused.  But yes, they are making a cinema dslr and that will definitely have more MP than the 5DIII.  I doubt that they are going to call it the 5DX though, as it's going to be part of the cinema EOS line. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Hugely Disappointed In 5D III Price
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:10:28 PM »
There are little, subtle changes in the camera that I think will make $3500 seem even more reasonable.  The click wheel on the back is actually fixed, and touch sensitive, which I thought was really cool.  Not super high-tech or anything, but definitely cool.  Vibration/silent mode is very useful for me, I can't wait to shoot some Astro time lapses with it, can't wait to see what this sensor is capable of "seeing."

EOS Bodies / Re: 5dIII battery grip
« on: March 03, 2012, 04:05:27 PM »
I may have to get a 3rd party grip, and I'm not the type to say something is overpriced, but $500 for a battery grip is kind of ridiculous....It's not any bigger than other grips, it doesn't use different batteries, it appears that the only difference is the joystick.  The joystick is cool, but not for $300 more than a normal grip.  I wish they had one without the joystick for $200.

EOS Bodies / Re: Videographers happy with 5D Mark III?
« on: March 02, 2012, 08:44:23 PM »
Actually the HDMI out is 1080p and remains 1080p during recording, it just still has overlays so it's not technically clean.  Also I read it has a bitrate of 91mbps!  But that's a variable bitrate so what you get depends on what you're shooting.

And they said the moire/rolling shutter is much improved but still not completely eliminated.  I wish they would hurry up and ship already!

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