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It is

http://snapsort.com/compare/Canon_EOS_5D-vs-Canon_EOS_7D

Tom, if you read down in the link you sent, one of the advantages to the 5D in this comparison is "better image quality."  That was the only point RLPhoto was making, and your link helps make it for him.

Of course, the 7D is superior in a multitude of other ways. 

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I have the 28 f1.8, 50 f1.4, 100 macro IS USM, 24-105 f4, and my DSLR is the t3.

I think you have two questions here:

1. Will a full-frame camera be beneficial to me with my current lenses?  In my opinion, absolutely.  I upgraded from a 40D to a 5Dc about a year ago with a very similar lens lineup (28/1.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8 ) and I've barely touched the 40D since.  The 5Dc image quality is noticeably better than the 40D, and my lenses (similar to yours) shine on the full frame format.  Yes, this is true even for the 28/1.8 with its supposedly soft corners - it's better on full frame.  Maybe you'll be less happy for your landscape work, but for my indoor family shots, I love 28/1.8 with 5Dc - probably my most used combination.

2. Is a 5Dc the right full frame camera to get right now, given the current prices?  In my opinion, not really, unless you simply can't afford a 5D2.  When I bought the 5Dc, the price difference was huge ($800-ish vs. $2300-ish) so the choice was easier.  Now.... 5Dc has come down a bit ($600-ish used) but the 5D2 has come down a LOT ($1300-ish used, can get as low as $1500 brand new).  If I was a buyer right now, I think I'd pinch my pennies and go for the 5D2.  This is nothing against the 5Dc - if it's all you can afford I still think you should do it - it's just that the 5D2 offers a lot of upgrades for not that much more money.

Hope this helps.
 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5Dc as an entry for FF? yay or nay?
« on: September 26, 2012, 10:01:41 PM »
Given that your original post demonstrates you're aware of its shortcomings, I give an enthusiastic "yay!"

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Announcement Soon? [CR1]
« on: September 07, 2012, 06:00:17 PM »
please be true please be true please be true please be true please be true please be true please be true please be true
+1.  I'd buy one immediately.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Cheap student and teacher Lightroom 4
« on: September 06, 2012, 02:36:54 PM »
I'm suprised that a student version is shipped by Amazon.  My son (a student) has bought the student version in the past, and Adobe always shipped it, but only after he sent a photo of his student ID, or some other way of proving he was a student.
Maybe with the lower prices, its no longer required?

I got the student/teacher version of LR3 - also from Amazon.  If I recall, you need to get a verification code or the installation won't proceed - and you get that directly from Adobe by providing a scan of a valid student/faculty ID or something like that.  Takes only a day or so as long as you're a legit student or teacher.


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Software & Accessories / Re: Cheap student and teacher Lightroom 4
« on: September 05, 2012, 10:20:26 PM »
Thanks for the heads up.  Ordered one myself just now.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DSLR and zoom lens for ~$1,000.00 USD?
« on: August 29, 2012, 01:38:56 PM »
Your really not wrong.
Thats not the argument but the thing is were not talking night and day in terms of IQ it is only slightly better. Night and day is a 600D VS a 5D MKIII. What we are comparing is a camera from 2005 to a 2011 camera.

The difference in IQ between the 5DC and the 600D is not huge maybe 10%. Also the full frame sensor will mean you need to buy L glass to get good results because the sensor is bigger. So your talking £1000 just for one lens being a 24-105mm. Whereas the 600D you still need good glass but you can get away with using 15-85mm or a 17-85 which are a lot cheaper.

There is a lot more to think about. The 5Dc is not a modern camera with non of the newer useful features, which kind of makes the camera. Its like the argument with the 5DMKIII, it has lower res than the D800 but its features are much better which makes the camera. If IQ is your only concern then yes go ahead. But finding a good nick camera that is 7 years old and still paying in excess of £550 is a bit mad really.

If you want full frame its worth doing it properly and buying a modern camera.

But think we are getting carried away here. The poster is after a camera, an amateur moving from a point and shoot! A 5Dc is a silly camera to advise someone to buy! No program modes... either auto or full or semi auto, no inbuilt flash! It was designed for the more professional scene! Not a beginner!

My two cents anyway.

I guess we need to agree to disagree.  My perception of the 5Dc has more to do with my style of shooting - primes, available light, etc - for this style the 5Dc has many advantages and the downsides you point out (lack of flash, program modes, etc) are of minimal impact. 

Disagree that you have to buy L lenses to get good results.  You have to buy GOOD lenses, and know how to use them best to get good results.  Of course this is true of any camera and lens (even L), but you need to pay a bit more attention on a full frame camera.  But the non-L USM primes (28/1.8, 50/1.4, 85/1.8 ) on a 5Dc are a very powerful combo and that collection is in the same price range as a single L lens (and not that much more than the 17-55 EF-S!).

I can concede that a typical beginner wouldn't be best served by a 5Dc.  I just don't think they'd be badly served by it.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DSLR and zoom lens for ~$1,000.00 USD?
« on: August 29, 2012, 10:37:50 AM »
The 5DC might have good IQ but thats about it.

A 600D wipes the floor with it for everything but IQ

Call me crazy, but IQ matters the most to me, by a long shot.  Everything else you list falls under the category of "nice to have."  The sensor is the film, so why not buy the best sensor you can for the money you want to spend?

I'm not saying all the new bells and whistles aren't worth having - for sure I'd love to have a 5D3.  But I don't have that kind of money, so my decision is either an APS-C camera or the 5Dc.  For the way I shoot, 5Dc is way better.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: DSLR and zoom lens for ~$1,000.00 USD?
« on: August 28, 2012, 10:19:37 PM »
5Dc

28-135mm + 50mm 1.8.

Done. 8)

That would be my advice as well (would possibly swap in 40/2.8 for 50/1.8 ), except that the OP said it has to be new.

I like the advice of a refurbished (effectively new) T2i and 15-85.  That will be around $1000 and will be a very nice beginner setup.

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Lenses / Re: Wider lens for new FF user - 35L vs. new 28 IS
« on: August 16, 2012, 10:31:51 PM »
bdunbar, "super focuser" isn't a term anyone uses as far as I know - I just threw it in my previous post.  The lensrentals.com blog post is worth reading if you don't like marketing jargon - Roger takes Canon to task for hiding meaningful technical information in mountains of marketing crap.  I believe he's on our side - he rents the old lenses as much as the new ones.  He just tests so he knows how they're supposed to work, so that he'll know when they need to be taken out of service and repaired.  He generously shares the results of his tests and his interpretations.  Lots of great info on that site.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Show your love for the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS
« on: August 16, 2012, 10:17:24 PM »
One can buy this lens for $300 refurbished right now at Adorama.  I took advantage of that deal - hope to have some results to share soon.  So far, I'm pleasantly surprised with early results and the build quality (not L of course, but decent enough).

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Lenses / Re: Wider lens for new FF user - 35L vs. new 28 IS
« on: August 16, 2012, 07:34:56 PM »
So, after all that, my question is this.  As I'm not shooting moving targets where the 1.4 will buy me a usefully faster shutter speed, wouldn't I rather use the new 28 @ 2.8 with its four stops of IS at a higher overall IQ than the 35L wide open?  In my unique need, isn't the new 28 a better choice?

I have one more comment for you, since you're a lensrentals.com blog reader.  The new 24 and 28 IS lenses have been a conundrum to me (and many others) - they seemed overpriced for f/2.8 primes.  For the longest time I struggled to think of why someone would want to buy those lenses at their offered prices. 

Then, Roger at lensrentals figured it out for us.  On your new 5D3, the 28/1.8 IS USM is one of a handful of new "super focuser" lenses (my term, not his) that has a rotation detector, and is thus able to fully realize the advanced AF capabilities in the 5D3 and 1DX.

The current 35L, being a dated design, is not in this category.  Its long-rumored successor almost certainly will be, if/when we see it.

Personally, I have an ancient 5D classic, so I will pass on the new 24 and 28 (plus I have a 28/1.8 I'm pretty happy with).  But if I were in your shoes, I would seriously consider it unless I you feel like waiting for the new 35L (which could be a year off and $2000 and huge).

Here's the blog:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/08/autofocus-reality-part-3b-canon-cameras

BTW, love your spreadsheet!

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Canon 5dc, better than T1i?
« on: August 12, 2012, 02:23:34 PM »
I think your plan makes a lot of sense.  I generally buy into the "glass before body" upgrade philosophy, but going from a crop body to a full frame body is an exception to this rule.  I went from 40D to 5D and hardly ever pick the 40D up anymore - reminds me that I should probably just go ahead and sell it.  The 5D is really really great.

If you get a 5D, I recommend getting the new 40/2.8 pancake.  Really perfect general purpose focal length (IMO) for full frame, and very sharp images even wide open.  Tiny, well-built and only $200 to boot!

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PowerShot Cameras / Re: Im looking into getting a new camera
« on: July 27, 2012, 10:51:44 PM »
Alternate suggestion: a used 5D from KEH can be had for $750-ish right now.  This includes a 6 month warranty through KEH.  Pair with a 50/1.8 ($100) or 40/2.8 ($200) if you like primes, or a used 28-135 ($200-ish) if you like zooms.  Not nearly as modern in features as the Rebels discussed above, but if you are looking for the best IQ you can get in your budget, I believe the full frame 5D is the answer.

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Technical Support / Re: DIY sensor cleaning - what to buy.
« on: July 26, 2012, 03:45:52 PM »
I've had good luck cleaning with the method outlined here:
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2010/04/how-to-clean-a-camera-sensor

Basically, in order: blower, then sensor brush, then sensor stamp, then sensor pen.  All of these things are available on Amazon, and unless you go for the cadillac brush they show in the video, it's pretty inexpensive.  I just use the brush on the end of the sensor pen.  No fluids or other stuff to mess around with.  I was able to totally clean a very messy sensor (including some oil residue) using this method.

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