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EOS Bodies / Re: More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 06:15:25 PM »
Opened with capture one 7.0.1 (preliminary support)

Thanks for posting!  It does look like the 6D is visibly a tad better than the 5D3.  However I'm guessing no more than 1/3 stop at best (likely just from the slightly larger pixels).  Still good to know Canon hasn't skimped out on the 6D sensor.   Of course it has been noted this is a per-production camera, but I don't think  anything is likely to have changed.

EOS Bodies / More 6D sample images - with RAW files.
« on: November 30, 2012, 11:57:43 AM »
If you click around here you can find some noise comparisons to the 5D3 and D600, and some sample images.  The RAW files can be downloaded.  However I'm not sure if there is anything that supports them at the moment.  The reviewer just used out of camera jpegs, because of the lack of compatible RAW software.  It looks like the review was done on a pre-production model.


EOS Bodies - For Video / Re: The First Canon EOS 6D Video Footage
« on: November 28, 2012, 12:34:44 PM »
Canon says, "BUY A 5DIII for video!"

That about sums it up perfectly.  There is no reason for the 6D video quality to be any worse than the 5D3 (very similar sensor, same processor, encoding, etc), but then there would be no reason to buy a 5D3 over the 6D for video shooting.   Hence the lack of auto monitoring, and possibly a lesser moire reduction/sharpening algorithm.

I'm a stills shooter, so I don't care much, but if I did video I think the Blackmagic Cinema Camera is by far the best "low cost" option on the market.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Technical novice upgrading to EOS 5D?
« on: November 27, 2012, 11:16:56 AM »
Your 17-85mm won't work on full frame (the 5Dmk II), the 50mm will.  Both will work on the 7D.

The focus reliability of the 7D is considered much better than the 5D mark II, especially for moving subjects.

The 5D mark II will produce higher image quality, but the 7D is by no means a bad camera when it comes to IQ.

I would have a look at DPreviews to get a better understanding of what each has to offer.

If you don't really need to extra image quality of the full frame (I.e. you aren't printing large), and don't need the extra depth of field control and high ISO performance of a full frame, the 7D is a great camera.

Nice work by the way.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D now shipping via DigitalRev (Hong Kong)
« on: November 27, 2012, 10:55:55 AM »
It says ships within 4-7 days, most products say 24 hours.  So at best they know the cameras will be arriving in that time frame, and at worst it's just what Canon told them, but won't actually deliver on.  I'll wait until I see Kai do a review to believe they have at least one in stock.

EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 27, 2012, 10:39:06 AM »

The title says it all. 


....never........ even if the technology allow to produce FF bodies + profit under $1000. the companies are too greedy.

You forget about competition.  Why do you think we now have $2000 FF bodies?  It will take a while, but slowly and surely prices will be forced down as Canon/Nikon/Sony and maybe others fight for market share.   People said the sub $1000 DSLR wouldn't happen, then Canon released the Rebel and won over tons of new customers.  So someone will make it happen eventually.

Reviews / Re: Review - Canon EF 100 f/2.8L IS Macro
« on: November 27, 2012, 10:25:38 AM »
This lens is outstanding for macro, I just can't say enough good things this about it.  The bokeh is outstandingly creamy.  And wow is it sharp in macro and with close subjects. However it isn't as sharp as you get past 10 feet.  I tried shooting people on a stage and some landscapes with this lens, and found it to only be about as sharp as the 24-105mm f/4L at the same aptreture and focal length.

While I have'd used them yet, I wouldn't be surprised if the 70-200 f/2.8L and 135 f/2L would be a little sharper for longer distance work.

However you have to ask just how much sharpness you really need, and for all my applications the 100mm f/2.8L is more than good enough even at longer focus distances.

Canon General / Re: Photography websites. Where are you posting?
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:48:27 AM »
I use both 500px, and Flickr.

Both have positives and negatives.  500px generally looks nicer, and cleaner.  However, 500px comments seem to be mostly made to get attention - and the down-vote system seems to be harming the ranking algorithm - since less good stuff seems to be marking it to the front page.   Having said that the ranking algorithm still works far far better than Flickr's "explore".

Flickr is great for groups, storing full resolution copies of images (worst cast backups), private photos, and it has a great API for integration into other sites.  The comments you get on Flickr are generally better, but it's harder to get noticed.

Also maybe this is just me, but 500px seems to favour colourful saturated images of landscapes and women, and cares less about more subtle "artistic" photos.  Where as you can find groups for those kind of photos on Flickr fairly easily. 

I've taken to using Flickr for general photo-sharing, and 500px for my better portfolio level images.

EOS Bodies / Re: Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 27, 2012, 12:01:56 AM »
I realize the AF seems to have been deliberatively crippled (and overly-so!), but for shooting portraits and candids and casual soccer of my kids, I really don't need the pro athlete or bird-in-flight AF.
Crippled or better, depending on your needs.  The 6D is supposed to focus in even lower light than the more expensive 5D3.  For some photographers, that may be a significant advantage.  Of course it will not be as good in other ways.  I'll be very eager to see how well the 6D's AF performs generally.

By the way, everyone says "crippled" about less expensive cameras, as if to suggest some bad intent on the part of the manufacturer.  "Crippled" suggests that they start with an excellent AF system and then damage it terribly.  But less expensive cameras are less expensive for a reason — less goes into them.  The lesser AF system is designed for a lesser price, from initial concept to production. 

Manufacturers have to differentiate their products somehow.  We do it as a photographers.  We differentiate our products according to size, hours, materials, etc., and yet we don't say our cheaper products are deliberately crippled.

Whilst I will reserve judgement on the 6D's AF system until we seem some credible reviews, I think that people are using words like 'crippled' because the 11 point system with but a single cross type sensor (however good that might be), is perceived to be inferior to even the 9 point, all cross type system on the 650D.  The D600 uses the AF system from the D7000; I think that people were expecting some version of the 7D's 19 point (all cross type) AF system on the 6D; when you are disappointed, you tend to use emotive language.
Anyway, the 6D's cross sensor has a higher sensitivity than all other models mentioned.

I think it's fairly clear Canon had a specific type of photography/photographer in mind when they designed this system.  Namely people who don't shoot many fast moving subjects, but need to focus in all kinds of light.  Portrait and landscape are of course two that come to mind.  If you look at it from the perspective of that type of photographer, the -3EV center cross-type should be outstanding and clearly an upgrade from the 60D/650D, since the other points almost don't need to be there (even on the 5D3 the most precise points are in the center).  The sports/action/wildlife photographer is right to say this system is unlikely to be good for them - and get a 7D or 5D3.  I realize this isn't what a lot of people were hoping it would be, but for some this may be just what they needed (without the expense of the 5D3).

The d600 looks like it's more of a sports/general use camera, with a higher bust rate, and more AF points (even if all the cross type are stuck in the center.)  The down side is, it won't handle low-light as well.  Since I shot a lot of strobist stuff at dusk/night, the 6D looks like it could be the better option.  Although for others the d600, 7D, or 5D3 may be the best option for their type of photography.   

We do have cameras that do (almost) everything very well, the 5d3 and the d800, but you have to pay a lot more for that sadly - and that's just the reality of the market.

Should Canon have put the 9 or 17 point all cross-type system from the 60D/7D into the 6D, it's hard to say. On one hand they would have made tracking better, but on the other, it wouldn't be as good in low light.  Only time and the market will tell if this was a good move or not.

Street & City / Re: City Skylines
« on: November 26, 2012, 10:35:01 PM »
Polson Pier is a great place for Toronto Skyline pictures.

Skyfall by Area256, on Flickr

Day 143: Toronto Skyline by Area256, on Flickr

EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:40:41 PM »
That day will come...
And the day mobile phones become FF will also come..just a matter of time i believe...

like i believe i can fly. i believe i can touch the sky... :P

Can we also have anti-gravity, and other fun things that break the laws of physics? :P

EOS Bodies / Re: First Round of EOS 7D Mark II Specs [CR1]
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:30:36 PM »
Maybe the 7DII will have the rumored new revolutionary sensor with better high-ISO performance and more dynamic range than its predecessors and anything else on the market.

One can only hope. Although given the rumor that the 7D2 was delayed due to sensor design issues, and the fact that it seems to make sense to introduce new fab technology on higher yield APS-C sensors, it is at least a reasonable bet.

Software & Accessories / Re: Magic Lantern Team Hacks the Canon EOS M
« on: November 26, 2012, 07:25:28 PM »
It would be really funny if the ML team manages to improve the speed of the camera's auto-focus before Canon does.

EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 26, 2012, 04:43:04 PM »
My guess is it won't be a straight progression of the current d600 and 6D to lower prices.  The 6D/d600 future generations will likely cost about the same (i.e. about $1700-2000), and just offer better specs in terms of build quality, AF, burst, ect.  A new class will have to come in with lower specs and build (aside from the sensor), and more "auto" features. 

When will this happen?  My thought is not for a long time.  It'll be at least 2-3 years before the d600 and 6D get refreshed, and they won't want to undercut those with cheaper cameras for at least a year after that. When they do, it'll be about $1500.   Wait another 1-3 years, and sales will start pushing them close to $1000.  This of course assumes any of the big three wants to go in this direction, they may try to keep full frame in the realm of serious enthusiasts with deeper pockets able to buy full frame lenses.

So overall I'd expect at least 4-7 years before we see a sub $1000 full frame.  However this could change with EVIL cameras stealing the show.  If enough competitive pressure comes from those markets to erode sales in the DSLR market, we may see a push to claim higher image quality on full frame DSLRs a lot sooner.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's roadmap
« on: November 25, 2012, 03:48:16 PM »
Canon's road through the photography world has become very bumpy, and I think many people have gotten lost.
Please help the community, and comment, add, or correct.
I'm not going to vote on "Canon's most disappointing achievements this year" because it's been a fantastic year for new products.  Having used Canon for the past 10 years, I'm more pleased with Canon's new products than ever.  The new products rock, from cameras to lenses to flashes.  In a nutshell, the 5DIII, 24-70/2.8II and 600EX-RT have been game changers for me — they've each made my work better and easier.  And there are other products that have been absolutely delightful, such as the 40/2.8 and the 28/2.8 IS.  It would take me an hour to go into all of the details and how they make a difference.  I don't mind the higher prices because you get what you pay for ... improved quality and reliability.  Also, people still forget that the introductory price is not the price; the introductory price is only for those who must have it now.


The 600EX-RT is an awesome new flash.  Even at the original high price it's cheaper and way way better than buying flashes and radio triggers.  No more running around to change flash power, or buying expensive TTL transmitters which half the time don't work.  No other manufacturer has this, and honestly it's worth every cent.

The 40mm f/2.8 is a great little lens.

People have lots of opinions on the 6D, but it did introduce build-in WiFi and GPS to the DSLR world (at a time when people say Canon only copies others).  And the 650D brought touch-screen to the DSLR world, and did it well - sure the pros may not care, but lots of people love it.

The only thing that I've been disappointed in, is the lack of 180nm CMOS chips.  Canon really needs to address shadow recovery, since that's something must companies are beating them in.

Over all I think Canon has turned out some very useful products, many of which can't be found else where.  Are some of the products failures, sure.  The auto-focus on the EOS M is a disaster.  However I'm far from writing off Canon because of that - every large company is going to put out some great products, and some duds given enough time.

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